I am trying to install adept (from etch) on TDE but it keeps telling me that the dependency of kdelibs4c2a is uninstalable. I would like to find out that the TDE equivalent for this package is so I can change the dependency in the control file because I am going to try to rebuild the adept packages in stretch and sid.
Cheers. Michael.
On 2016/10/08 03:33 PM, Michael . wrote:
I am trying to install adept (from etch) on TDE but it keeps telling me that the dependency of kdelibs4c2a is uninstalable. I would like to find out that the TDE equivalent for this package is so I can change the dependency in the control file because I am going to try to rebuild the adept packages in stretch and sid.
Cheers. Michael.
Not on TDE at the moment, but kdelibs4c2a became tdelibs14-trinity or something like that. If you open the control file for tdelibs, search for "break" and you should see kdelibs4c2a somewhere.
Having said that, adept in stretch and sid does not work anymore. The apt API have changed a lot in stretch and as a result libept and libapt-front FTBFS. Even before that happened, adept could barely be said to be working in stretch, it kept crashing and had become terribly slow.
Cheers Michele
Well it seems the mailing list isn't working. I sent the above message 5 days ago and never received a reply back via email. I thought I'd check the web archive and lo and behold there is a reply (thanks Michele) but I never received it. This is the main reason I use forums, mailing lists and clunky and often fail at simple things.
@Michele I thought I'd give it a go, and thus asked the question, because the replacements (packagekit etc.) for update-notifier and update-manager are just short of useless. I am able to install and use update-notifier and update-manager successfully in GTK based DEs and even update-notifier-kde in KDE but have not found anything suitable for Trinity. Do you have any recommendations?
On 8 October 2016 at 17:33, Michael . keltoiboy@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to install adept (from etch) on TDE but it keeps telling me that the dependency of kdelibs4c2a is uninstalable. I would like to find out that the TDE equivalent for this package is so I can change the dependency in the control file because I am going to try to rebuild the adept packages in stretch and sid.
Cheers. Michael.
Hello Michael,
Did you look for the adept package from TDE ? In memories, you will find a package called "adept-trinity" with only TDE dependencies. I never used it because i prefer do updates in CLI but i thnik it will reply to your needs =) See you later.
NB : You should read this page (http://trinitydesktop.org/applications.php), you will find many TDE apps.
Nicolas D.
2016-10-13 5:15 GMT+02:00 Michael . keltoiboy@gmail.com:
Well it seems the mailing list isn't working. I sent the above message 5 days ago and never received a reply back via email. I thought I'd check the web archive and lo and behold there is a reply (thanks Michele) but I never received it. This is the main reason I use forums, mailing lists and clunky and often fail at simple things.
@Michele I thought I'd give it a go, and thus asked the question, because the replacements (packagekit etc.) for update-notifier and update-manager are just short of useless. I am able to install and use update-notifier and update-manager successfully in GTK based DEs and even update-notifier-kde in KDE but have not found anything suitable for Trinity. Do you have any recommendations?
On 8 October 2016 at 17:33, Michael . keltoiboy@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to install adept (from etch) on TDE but it keeps telling me that the dependency of kdelibs4c2a is uninstalable. I would like to find out that the TDE equivalent for this package is so I can change the dependency in the control file because I am going to try to rebuild the adept packages in stretch and sid.
Cheers. Michael.
On Wednesday 12 October 2016 23:15:14 Michael . wrote:
Well it seems the mailing list isn't working. I sent the above message 5 days ago and never received a reply back via email.
We got it, and at lest 1 reply. If you didn't get the echo or the reply, talk to your ISP.
I thought I'd check the web archive and lo and behold there is a reply (thanks Michele) but I never received it. This is the main reason I use forums, mailing lists and clunky and often fail at simple things.
While I find mailing lists to work well, and the need to log into a forum & navigate to the thread you want to read a major PITA and time killer.
@Michele I thought I'd give it a go, and thus asked the question, because the replacements (packagekit etc.) for update-notifier and update-manager are just short of useless. I am able to install and use update-notifier and update-manager successfully in GTK based DEs and even update-notifier-kde in KDE but have not found anything suitable for Trinity. Do you have any recommendations?
On 8 October 2016 at 17:33, Michael . keltoiboy@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to install adept (from etch) on TDE but it keeps telling me that the dependency of kdelibs4c2a is uninstalable. I would like to find out that the TDE equivalent for this package is so I can change the dependency in the control file because I am going to try to rebuild the adept packages in stretch and sid.
My experiments involving adept have been very distastefull, in 2 cases resulted in a re-install to sort it out. So I always revert to synaptic in the form of synaptic-pkexec, which is a sudo-like wrapper that gives you root rights to run it. Give it a try. Once you've sorted out the damages adept has done, it Just Works(TM). Adept apparently is, and has been unsupported for several years according to what I've read on other lists.
Hopefully this will get thru your ISP's filters. You may have to do what I did when I was forced to use my ISP's mail server, call up their network support guy and setup a whitelist.
Cheers. Michael.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Thanks Nicolas and Gene @ Nicolas, I looked for it in Synaptic before I posted my initial request 5 days ago. I am using Debian Stretch with Slavek's repository and it doesn't appear to be in it. The link you posted certainly says adept but the only adept on my system is adept-common and it is the etch version.
@ Gene, I understand where you are coming from, each to their own. You prefer lists because they are easier for you, I prefer forums because they are easier for me. With regards to my ISP, trinity-users is whitelisted already and has been ever since I got my first warning from the mailing robot. I still get the warnings but this is the first time that I have never received a reply to a topic I have started. Anyway what I am after is something that supplies a notification to the user that updates are available, like update-notifier does. Synaptic is installed by default on my systems, and so is aptitude, but I want to provide my users with a visual notification when updates are available. Any suggestions for a package that does that is greatly appreciated.
On 13 October 2016 at 18:40, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:
On Wednesday 12 October 2016 23:15:14 Michael . wrote:
Well it seems the mailing list isn't working. I sent the above message 5 days ago and never received a reply back via email.
We got it, and at lest 1 reply. If you didn't get the echo or the reply, talk to your ISP.
I thought I'd check the web archive and lo and behold there is a reply (thanks Michele) but I never received it. This is the main reason I use forums, mailing lists and clunky and often fail at simple things.
While I find mailing lists to work well, and the need to log into a forum & navigate to the thread you want to read a major PITA and time killer.
@Michele I thought I'd give it a go, and thus asked the question, because the replacements (packagekit etc.) for update-notifier and update-manager are just short of useless. I am able to install and use update-notifier and update-manager successfully in GTK based DEs and even update-notifier-kde in KDE but have not found anything suitable for Trinity. Do you have any recommendations?
On 8 October 2016 at 17:33, Michael . keltoiboy@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to install adept (from etch) on TDE but it keeps telling me that the dependency of kdelibs4c2a is uninstalable. I would like to find out that the TDE equivalent for this package is so I can change the dependency in the control file because I am going to try to rebuild the adept packages in stretch and sid.
My experiments involving adept have been very distastefull, in 2 cases resulted in a re-install to sort it out. So I always revert to synaptic in the form of synaptic-pkexec, which is a sudo-like wrapper that gives you root rights to run it. Give it a try. Once you've sorted out the damages adept has done, it Just Works(TM). Adept apparently is, and has been unsupported for several years according to what I've read on other lists.
Hopefully this will get thru your ISP's filters. You may have to do what I did when I was forced to use my ISP's mail server, call up their network support guy and setup a whitelist.
Cheers. Michael.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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2016-10-13 11:28 GMT+02:00 Michael . keltoiboy@gmail.com:
Thanks Nicolas and Gene @ Nicolas, I looked for it in Synaptic before I posted my initial request 5 days ago. I am using Debian Stretch with Slavek's repository and it doesn't appear to be in it. The link you posted certainly says adept but the only adept on my system is adept-common and it is the etch version.
OK, i don't use Slavek's repository. Maybe Slavek could reply to you and build the package for the preleminary builds.
On Thursday 13 of October 2016 11:39:00 Nicolas Dobigeon wrote:
2016-10-13 11:28 GMT+02:00 Michael . keltoiboy@gmail.com:
Thanks Nicolas and Gene @ Nicolas, I looked for it in Synaptic before I posted my initial request 5 days ago. I am using Debian Stretch with Slavek's repository and it doesn't appear to be in it. The link you posted certainly says adept but the only adept on my system is adept-common and it is the etch version.
OK, i don't use Slavek's repository. Maybe Slavek could reply to you and build the package for the preleminary builds.
Adept is not a good application for a long time. Adept is demanding for performance, memory and sometimes occurs crashes. It is also difficult to maintain adept and related libraries working after the changes in the apt libraries.
For these reasons, it was decided that in newer distributions adept will be dropped. Therefore, adept not present in R14.0.4~preliminary packages for Stretch and Yakkety.
Cheers
@ Nikolaus Klepp, I never even considered something like that (I'm not a coder), thank you.
@ Eric Liddell, I have suspected the problem that causes the robot to send me warnings was because of Google so it makes complete sense to me that Google is probably the problem here to.
@Slavek Banko, thank you for that. I will use Nikolaus' suggestion instead then.
On 14 October 2016 at 04:24, Slávek Banko slavek.banko@axis.cz wrote:
On Thursday 13 of October 2016 11:39:00 Nicolas Dobigeon wrote:
2016-10-13 11:28 GMT+02:00 Michael . keltoiboy@gmail.com:
Thanks Nicolas and Gene @ Nicolas, I looked for it in Synaptic before I posted my initial request 5 days ago. I am using Debian Stretch with Slavek's repository and it doesn't appear to be in it. The link you posted certainly says adept but the only adept on my system is adept-common and it is the etch version.
OK, i don't use Slavek's repository. Maybe Slavek could reply to you and build the package for the preleminary builds.
Adept is not a good application for a long time. Adept is demanding for performance, memory and sometimes occurs crashes. It is also difficult to maintain adept and related libraries working after the changes in the apt libraries.
For these reasons, it was decided that in newer distributions adept will be dropped. Therefore, adept not present in R14.0.4~preliminary packages for Stretch and Yakkety.
Cheers
Slávek
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My apologies Michelle, I just noticed via the archive that you have replied again, thank you for your help.
On 14 October 2016 at 06:06, Michael . keltoiboy@gmail.com wrote:
@ Nikolaus Klepp, I never even considered something like that (I'm not a coder), thank you.
@ Eric Liddell, I have suspected the problem that causes the robot to send me warnings was because of Google so it makes complete sense to me that Google is probably the problem here to.
@Slavek Banko, thank you for that. I will use Nikolaus' suggestion instead then.
On 14 October 2016 at 04:24, Slávek Banko slavek.banko@axis.cz wrote:
On Thursday 13 of October 2016 11:39:00 Nicolas Dobigeon wrote:
2016-10-13 11:28 GMT+02:00 Michael . keltoiboy@gmail.com:
Thanks Nicolas and Gene @ Nicolas, I looked for it in Synaptic before I posted my initial request 5 days ago. I am using Debian Stretch with Slavek's repository and it doesn't appear to be in it. The link you posted certainly says adept but the only adept on my system is adept-common and it is the etch version.
OK, i don't use Slavek's repository. Maybe Slavek could reply to you and build the package for the preleminary builds.
Adept is not a good application for a long time. Adept is demanding for performance, memory and sometimes occurs crashes. It is also difficult to maintain adept and related libraries working after the changes in the apt libraries.
For these reasons, it was decided that in newer distributions adept will be dropped. Therefore, adept not present in R14.0.4~preliminary packages for Stretch and Yakkety.
Cheers
Slávek
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Am Donnerstag, 13. Oktober 2016 schrieb Michael .:
[...] Anyway what I am after is something that supplies a notification to the user that updates are available, like update-notifier does. Synaptic is installed by default on my systems, and so is aptitude, but I want to provide my users with a visual notification when updates are available. Any suggestions for a package that does that is greatly appreciated.
A simple way for update notifier:
1) run "apt-get update" on boot and/or every day/hour/... as a cronjob, ignore errors:
# crontab -e 0 10 * * * apt-get update 2>/dev/null
# /etc/rc.local - add this line: (sleep 10m; apt-get update 2>/dev/null) &
2) create a file ".trinity/Autostart/updatenotifier.desktop":
$ cat > ~/.trinity/Autostart/updatenotifier.desktop << XXX [Desktop Entry] Comment= Exec[$e]=if [ $(apt-get --just-print dist-upgrade | grep "^ " | wc -l) -gt 0 ]; then xmessge "Upgrades available!"; exit; fi GenericName= Icon=application-x-executable MimeType= Name= Name[de]= Path[$e]= StartupNotify=true Terminal=false TerminalOptions= Type=Application X-DCOP-ServiceType= X-TDE-SubstituteUID=false X-TDE-Username=
XXX
Your user will get a message if updates are available just after login. Now you can get creative :-)
Nik
On 13 October 2016 at 18:40, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:
On Wednesday 12 October 2016 23:15:14 Michael . wrote:
Well it seems the mailing list isn't working. I sent the above message 5 days ago and never received a reply back via email.
We got it, and at lest 1 reply. If you didn't get the echo or the reply, talk to your ISP.
I thought I'd check the web archive and lo and behold there is a reply (thanks Michele) but I never received it. This is the main reason I use forums, mailing lists and clunky and often fail at simple things.
While I find mailing lists to work well, and the need to log into a forum & navigate to the thread you want to read a major PITA and time killer.
@Michele I thought I'd give it a go, and thus asked the question, because the replacements (packagekit etc.) for update-notifier and update-manager are just short of useless. I am able to install and use update-notifier and update-manager successfully in GTK based DEs and even update-notifier-kde in KDE but have not found anything suitable for Trinity. Do you have any recommendations?
On 8 October 2016 at 17:33, Michael . keltoiboy@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to install adept (from etch) on TDE but it keeps telling me that the dependency of kdelibs4c2a is uninstalable. I would like to find out that the TDE equivalent for this package is so I can change the dependency in the control file because I am going to try to rebuild the adept packages in stretch and sid.
My experiments involving adept have been very distastefull, in 2 cases resulted in a re-install to sort it out. So I always revert to synaptic in the form of synaptic-pkexec, which is a sudo-like wrapper that gives you root rights to run it. Give it a try. Once you've sorted out the damages adept has done, it Just Works(TM). Adept apparently is, and has been unsupported for several years according to what I've read on other lists.
Hopefully this will get thru your ISP's filters. You may have to do what I did when I was forced to use my ISP's mail server, call up their network support guy and setup a whitelist.
Cheers. Michael.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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On 2016/10/13 12:02 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 13. Oktober 2016 schrieb Michael .:
[...] Anyway what I am after is something that supplies a notification to the user that updates are available, like update-notifier does. Synaptic is installed by default on my systems, and so is aptitude, but I want to provide my users with a visual notification when updates are available. Any suggestions for a package that does that is greatly appreciated.
A simple way for update notifier:
- run "apt-get update" on boot and/or every day/hour/... as a cronjob, ignore errors:
# crontab -e 0 10 * * * apt-get update 2>/dev/null
# /etc/rc.local - add this line: (sleep 10m; apt-get update 2>/dev/null) &
- create a file ".trinity/Autostart/updatenotifier.desktop":
$ cat > ~/.trinity/Autostart/updatenotifier.desktop << XXX [Desktop Entry] Comment= Exec[$e]=if [ $(apt-get --just-print dist-upgrade | grep "^ " | wc -l) -gt 0 ]; then xmessge "Upgrades available!"; exit; fi GenericName= Icon=application-x-executable MimeType= Name= Name[de]= Path[$e]= StartupNotify=true Terminal=false TerminalOptions= Type=Application X-DCOP-ServiceType= X-TDE-SubstituteUID=false X-TDE-Username=
XXX
Your user will get a message if updates are available just after login. Now you can get creative :-)
Nik
Fantastic!! Many thanks Nik. Cheers Michele
On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 14:15:14 +1100 "Michael ." keltoiboy@gmail.com wrote:
Well it seems the mailing list isn't working. I sent the above message 5 days ago and never received a reply back via email. I thought I'd check the web archive and lo and behold there is a reply (thanks Michele) but I never received it. This is the main reason I use forums, mailing lists and clunky and often fail at simple things.
There's a long-standing problem with GMail (also Yahoo and any other mail service that verifies DKIM signatures) and the Trinity mailing lists. Since I didn't see the reply either, I'd guess that's what you got bitten by.
E. Liddell
On 2016/10/13 05:15 AM, Michael . wrote:
Well it seems the mailing list isn't working. I sent the above message 5 days ago and never received a reply back via email. I thought I'd check the web archive and lo and behold there is a reply (thanks Michele) but I never received it. This is the main reason I use forums, mailing lists and clunky and often fail at simple things.
@Michele I thought I'd give it a go, and thus asked the question, because the replacements (packagekit etc.) for update-notifier and update-manager are just short of useless. I am able to install and use update-notifier and update-manager successfully in GTK based DEs and even update-notifier-kde in KDE but have not found anything suitable for Trinity. Do you have any recommendations?
On 8 October 2016 at 17:33, Michael . <keltoiboy@gmail.com mailto:keltoiboy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am trying to install adept (from etch) on TDE but it keeps telling me that the dependency of kdelibs4c2a is uninstalable. I would like to find out that the TDE equivalent for this package is so I can change the dependency in the control file because I am going to try to rebuild the adept packages in stretch and sid. Cheers. Michael.
Hi Michael, just to add to what Slavek and E. already said, for R14.1 we have decided to drop adept and replace it with some other application that do a similar job. Adept is badly broken and continuous changes to apt have made it unworthy keeping patching it up. Better to switch to some sort of supported applications available in gpl or higher. One main point for the replacement for update-notifier, but the idea or using a cron job and a small script (thanks Nikolaus!) sounds like a good temporary solution ;-)
Cheers Michele
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