Hello all,
I undestand the question may look strange, so here are a few explanations.
I have a laptop (Thinkpad X220 Tablett) that I use at work. As you guess for "normal" work I use TDE, but unfortunately I found out that I can't use the touchscreen well with TDE. If I rotate the screen I can't calibrate it correctly (the pointer coordinates don't get rotated at all, so pointing up right shows the pointer left down...).
A recent install of openSuSE Leap 42.3 let me discover that Gnome 3 (Gnome Shell 3.20.2) has a Wacom calibration tool that solves this issue perfectly. I've even managed to run konqueror as file browser from Gnome's Dash, but I still prefer TDE.
So my present solution is to run TDE and TDM, and to logout/login in Gnome Shell when I need the Wacom Tablett.
There remains a (small) annoyance: I've set up three links on my Desktop (to a local directory and two NFS shares) and they appear as useless files on the Gnome Desktop.
Obviously, both TDE and Gnome use ~/Desktop as desktop folder. There does not seem to be any way to tell Gnome to do otherwise (there is little way to tell Gnome anything, seems), so I wondered if maybe Trinity can bw told to use another directory as Desktop directory?
Thierry
On 08/05/2017 10:01 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Hello all,
I undestand the question may look strange, so here are a few explanations.
I have a laptop (Thinkpad X220 Tablett) that I use at work. As you guess for "normal" work I use TDE, but unfortunately I found out that I can't use the touchscreen well with TDE. If I rotate the screen I can't calibrate it correctly (the pointer coordinates don't get rotated at all, so pointing up right shows the pointer left down...).
A recent install of openSuSE Leap 42.3 let me discover that Gnome 3 (Gnome Shell 3.20.2) has a Wacom calibration tool that solves this issue perfectly. I've even managed to run konqueror as file browser from Gnome's Dash, but I still prefer TDE.
So my present solution is to run TDE and TDM, and to logout/login in Gnome Shell when I need the Wacom Tablett.
There remains a (small) annoyance: I've set up three links on my Desktop (to a local directory and two NFS shares) and they appear as useless files on the Gnome Desktop.
Obviously, both TDE and Gnome use ~/Desktop as desktop folder. There does not seem to be any way to tell Gnome to do otherwise (there is little way to tell Gnome anything, seems), so I wondered if maybe Trinity can bw told to use another directory as Desktop directory?
Thierry
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I tried that with MATE, and the desktop folder for MATE also changed.-_-
Have you thought in creating a second user for gnome3? You can login in both simultaneously, and pass from one to the other with tty short cuts or change user. You can specialise the two environments for what ever you are doing. It would be more convenient. For sharing files, you can use group permissions and maybe a script, to avoid using sudo.
On Saturday 05 August 2017 22.50:27 wofgdkncxojef wrote:
I tried that with MATE, and the desktop folder for MATE also changed.-_-
Yes, that's what I expect if I change .config/user-dirs.dirs
In .trinity/share/config/kdeglobals I found this:
[Paths] Trash[$e]=$HOME/Desktop/Trash/
I thought maybe there exists some unsused path setting for Desktop...
Have you thought in creating a second user for gnome3? You can login in both simultaneously, and pass from one to the other with tty short cuts or change user. You can specialise the two environments for what ever you are doing. It would be more convenient. For sharing files, you can use group permissions and maybe a script, to avoid using sudo.
Yes, that could be a solution. Or I can live with the useless icons on the Gnome Desktop. I understand the idea of a global Desktop folder, but for users who use several desktops it becomes a (admittedly small) problem.
Thanks for the suggestion,
Thierry
In control there is a path section you can change desktop path there.
On Aug 5, 2017 5:44 PM, "Thierry de Coulon" tdecoulon@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday 05 August 2017 22.50:27 wofgdkncxojef wrote:
I tried that with MATE, and the desktop folder for MATE also changed.-_-
Yes, that's what I expect if I change .config/user-dirs.dirs
In .trinity/share/config/kdeglobals I found this:
[Paths] Trash[$e]=$HOME/Desktop/Trash/
I thought maybe there exists some unsused path setting for Desktop...
Have you thought in creating a second user for gnome3? You can login in both simultaneously, and pass from one to the other with tty short cuts or change user. You can specialise the two environments for what ever you are doing. It would be more convenient. For sharing files, you can use group permissions and maybe a script, to avoid using sudo.
Yes, that could be a solution. Or I can live with the useless icons on the Gnome Desktop. I understand the idea of a global Desktop folder, but for users who use several desktops it becomes a (admittedly small) problem.
Thanks for the suggestion,
Thierry
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On Saturday 05 August 2017 23.58:57 Pisini, John wrote:
In control there is a path section you can change desktop path there.
Damn, I had never looked what was in there! You're right, and that's exactly what I was looking for. It works like a charm.
I *knew* TDE was the best!
Thanks a lot!
Thierry
On 08/06/2017 12:31 AM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Saturday 05 August 2017 23.58:57 Pisini, John wrote:
In control there is a path section you can change desktop path there.
Damn, I had never looked what was in there! You're right, and that's exactly what I was looking for. It works like a charm.
I *knew* TDE was the best!
Thanks a lot!
Thierry
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It's the one i changed, the desktop also changed for MATE.... Gnome3 does it differently?
having a second user solves this problem and also you can login on both desktops simultaneously you can't do this as a single user.
if you still don't care about simultaneous login. You can also try having plasma5 as the other desktop You can configure the plasma5 desktop to not be the desktop folder.
On Sunday 06 August 2017 03.08:21 wofgdkncxojef wrote:
It's the one i changed, the desktop also changed for MATE.... Gnome3 does it differently?
Unfortunately you're right. It did work *once*: I changed the path to Desktop1, then recreated an empty Desktop, logged out, logged in Gnome, and it worked. But this morning Gnome had adapted and was using Desktop1.
Obviously the paths in Control are only a way to edit .config/userdiers.dirs
having a second user solves this problem and also you can login on both desktops simultaneously you can't do this as a single user.
I'll give it a try. On the downside it means doubling lots of data stored in the hidden directories, having backup files at different places (LibreOffice)... But if I really use Gnome only for the touchscreen stuff, it may do.
if you still don't care about simultaneous login. You can also try having plasma5 as the other desktop You can configure the plasma5 desktop to not be the desktop folder.
Tried that - KDE knows *nothing* about the touchscreen. Only Gnome has the Wacom setup, and it 's strictly liked to gnome (gnome-control-center wacom). I tried to lauch it from TDE, it loads but the calibrate button is grayed out and "Adjust display resolution" returns "Could not get screen information".
I'll also take a look at Dave's suggestion. I probably have to test all these possibilities "in the field" and find out which works best for me.
Thank you all!
Thierry
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
I've even managed to run konqueror as file browser from Gnome's Dash,
There remains a (small) annoyance: I've set up three links on my Desktop (to a local directory and two NFS shares) and they appear as useless files on the Gnome Desktop.
Why not set them up as tabs in Konqueror (save view profile w/ links)? You could also set them up as tabs in the navigation bar... or add the links to the TDE task bar. What are you trying to change, ~/Desktop is a directory?
On Sunday 06 August 2017 00.14:00 Dave Lers wrote:
Why not set them up as tabs in Konqueror (save view profile w/ links)? You could also set them up as tabs in the navigation bar... or add the links to the TDE task bar.
I can't use tabs because I'm in file management view. I tried to add the "links" to the panel but it does not work (these links a special as they let you mount/umount the shares)
What are you trying to change, ~/Desktop is a directory?
This I know. What I'd like is to have two different "Desktop" directories, one for Gnome and one for TDE. Unfortunately all the environments use the same folder, defines in .config/userdirs.dirs. TDE is the only DE to have a way to change this (it does work), but it's no internal setup, just a way to edit the .config file
I'll try the two users way...
Thierry
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Sunday 06 August 2017 00.14:00 Dave Lers wrote:
Why not set them up as tabs in Konqueror (save view profile w/ links)? You could also set them up as tabs in the navigation bar... or add the links to the TDE task bar.
I can't use tabs because I'm in file management view. I tried to add the "links" to the panel but it does not work (these links a special as they let you mount/umount the shares)
What are you trying to change, ~/Desktop is a directory?
This I know. What I'd like is to have two different "Desktop" directories, one for Gnome and one for TDE. Unfortunately all the environments use the same folder, defines in .config/userdirs.dirs. TDE is the only DE to have a way to change this (it does work), but it's no internal setup, just a way to edit the .config file
I'll try the two users way...
Thierry
Perhaps you want to have a look at XDG (freedesktop) specs
https://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
Gnome recent follows this as most other newer desktops do.
regards
On Sunday 06 August 2017 13.05:13 deloptes wrote:
Perhaps you want to have a look at XDG (freedesktop) specs
https://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
Gnome recent follows this as most other newer desktops do.
regards
Yes, that's the root of the problem. Obviously no one works with two desktop managers, so whatever desktop manager you use reads the xdg configuration.
What I've done so far is:
- create another user - copy (duplicate) my first user's home directoyr in the second's - removes as much as possible by replacing the stuff with links
It works provided I accept to open all these directories r/w to the users group. I imagine I could get more security by making my two users member of a special group.
Seems to work quite well and, as wofgdkncxojef said, I can switch between the two users. Is probably the best solution for now.
Thierry
On Sunday 06 August 2017 17.49:59 deloptes wrote:
wouldn't exporting those variables so that the DM can read them when starting is not an option?
Maybe, but I'm afraid I don't know how to do that...
On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 22:01:52 +0200 Thierry de Coulon tcoulon@decoulon.ch wrote:
I have a laptop (Thinkpad X220 Tablett) that I use at work. As you guess for "normal" work I use TDE, but unfortunately I found out that I can't use the touchscreen well with TDE. If I rotate the screen I can't calibrate it correctly (the pointer coordinates don't get rotated at all, so pointing up right shows the pointer left down...).
A recent install of openSuSE Leap 42.3 let me discover that Gnome 3 (Gnome Shell 3.20.2) has a Wacom calibration tool that solves this issue perfectly. I've even managed to run konqueror as file browser from Gnome's Dash, but I still prefer TDE.
So my present solution is to run TDE and TDM, and to logout/login in Gnome Shell when I need the Wacom Tablett.
Question: does the xsetwacom command-line tool exist on your system? If so, you should be able to use it to apply a rotation.
E. Liddell
On Sunday 06 August 2017 13.46:44 E. Liddell wrote:
Question: does the xsetwacom command-line tool exist on your system? If so, you should be able to use it to apply a rotation.
E. Liddell
Yes, xsetwacom is there. I dug up my tcl/tk and wrote a small front end to use xrandr and xsetwacom and yes, I can rotate the screen and rotate the digitizer - However the calibration is not very good (usable, however) and if I use xinput_calibrator it works well in lanscape modes (normal and inverted) but it does not work in portrait (only the two left calibration points are shown).
Whatever Gnome uses I can calibrate in portrait mode too.
The problem is that my school wants us more and more to use only digital documents. Correcting on a pdf is not really fun, but in lanscape mode it's even worse...
Thierry
On 5 August 2017 at 16:01, Thierry de Coulon tcoulon@decoulon.ch wrote:
Hello all,
I undestand the question may look strange, so here are a few explanations.
I have a laptop (Thinkpad X220 Tablett) that I use at work. As you guess for "normal" work I use TDE, but unfortunately I found out that I can't use the touchscreen well with TDE. If I rotate the screen I can't calibrate it correctly (the pointer coordinates don't get rotated at all, so pointing up right shows the pointer left down...).
have you tried tracking down what executable that is and executing it inside a TDE session? It's likely adjusting some sort of X11 configuration.
my thought would be to fix TDE not revert to GNOME3.
- Calvin
On Monday 07 August 2017 15.11:54 Calvin Morrison wrote:
have you tried tracking down what executable that is and executing it inside a TDE session? It's likely adjusting some sort of X11 configuration.
my thought would be to fix TDE not revert to GNOME3.
- Calvin
Yep, that's what I would prefer, but so far...
So
- rotating screen and touchscreen (inside TDE) works well with xrandr and xsetwacom (thank you E.Liddell) .
- for "normal" landscape and "inverted" landscape it's possible to calibrate the touchscreen with xinput_calibrator
This addresses 90% of my needs so that's obviouly already a good thing. I wrote a tcl/tk front end so that I don't have to type the xrandr and xsetwacom commands.
If I want to use the screen in portrait mode, the pointer is somewhat offset, which is a problem if I am to try and write on a PDF. However, xinput_calibrator can't be used in this situation as it ignores portrait mode (or I don't know how to doit).
THe gnome calibration tool can be called with gnome-control-center wacom but it then gets no screen information and thus can't do anything.
If you know a way to run a full gnome-control-center from inside TDE, I'm interrested :)
Thierry
On 7 August 2017 at 09:42, Thierry de Coulon tdecoulon@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday 07 August 2017 15.11:54 Calvin Morrison wrote:
have you tried tracking down what executable that is and executing it inside a TDE session? It's likely adjusting some sort of X11 configuration.
my thought would be to fix TDE not revert to GNOME3.
- Calvin
Yep, that's what I would prefer, but so far...
So
- rotating screen and touchscreen (inside TDE) works well with xrandr and
xsetwacom (thank you E.Liddell) .
- for "normal" landscape and "inverted" landscape it's possible to calibrate
the touchscreen with xinput_calibrator
This addresses 90% of my needs so that's obviouly already a good thing. I wrote a tcl/tk front end so that I don't have to type the xrandr and xsetwacom commands.
I do believe TDE does have an applet now for the panel that is a xrandr wrapper.... maybe look into that.
If I want to use the screen in portrait mode, the pointer is somewhat offset, which is a problem if I am to try and write on a PDF. However, xinput_calibrator can't be used in this situation as it ignores portrait mode (or I don't know how to doit).
I'd say try and dump your active X11 settings while in GNOME and compare it to what you get in TDE. Find the difference, then we can come up with a way to fix that difference.
On Tuesday 08 August 2017 21.38:10 Calvin Morrison wrote:
I do believe TDE does have an applet now for the panel that is a xrandr wrapper.... maybe look into that.
Yes, I have it. My script is "better" because it at the same time rotates the screen (which is what the applet does) and rotates the touchscreen with xsetwacom.
I'd say try and dump your active X11 settings while in GNOME and compare it to what you get in TDE. Find the difference, then we can come up with a way to fix that difference.
Hmmm, how do you do that? I've managed to save the output of arandr but this only says which screen is being used, I can see no difference between the two DE.
Thierry
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