10 Sep
2020
10 Sep
'20
6:11 p.m.
On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:44:42 BorgLabs - Kate
Draven via tde-users
wrote:
> > On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:27:38 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via
> > tde-users
> >
> > wrote:
> > > On Thursday 10 September 2020, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
> > > > Hello again!
> > > >
> > > > I told you that you'd miss me when I'm gone. :-]
> > > >
> > > > Please, I need recommendations or strategies for recovering data. I
> > > > had
>
> a
>
> > > > flash drive become unreadable, after I plugged it into my new
printer
> > > > to print out some documents that
had been long in waiting. Then,
> > > > before I could save myself, I had a 1.5 TB hard drive also fail. On
> > > > this hard drive is (of course) the source of those backup copies on
> > > > the flash drive. This is the partition which I was just about to
> > > > backup.
> > > >
> > > > I have several hard drives, from 200 GB up to 8 TB, from 20 years
old
> > > > to brand-new; all are WD, except
for one which is Seagate. Guess
> > > > which one failed? I forget when I got it, or why I ever would have
> > > > got anything
>
> but
>
> > > > WD, or why I would have put anything important there.
> > > >
> > > > I have used ddrescue to try to recover the data, as well as other
> > > > forensics tools. Recovered images (img and iso) are saved, and
taking
> > > > up space, but I cannot determine
if there is any useful content in
> > > > what was recovered. The failing partition has not been deleted. It
> > > > cannot be read or mounted, so I have just left it like that, so that
> > > > I can try to save it.
> > > >
> > > > Every attempt to recover the data gives the same result: 2 errors,
> > > > 3072 B, that cannot be read. I tried using tools to look inside the
> > > > saved iso image, but no luck there. I don't want to erase or
format
> > > > the failing disk partition until I am sure that I have recovered the
> > > > data.
> > > >
> > > > My last hope is that I have another 1.5 TB hard drive; I could try
to
> > write the disk images to that partition
before I format the old
> > drive. But first, of course, I would need to backup materials from
> > that drive, and now I am running out of space again.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > P.S. And if things were not bad enough, the skies here in San
> > Francisco are a muddy mixture of orange, black, brown and gray. At
> > noon today, it looked like the middle of the night.
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> > >
> >
There's another option but a wee bit expensive.
Purchase the same model SG drive (or whatever model etc) that failed
and swap out the electronics.
Assuming there's no mechanical damage, it will work.
It's often why I buy drives in pairs.
Hope this was helpful.
Kate
It is an internal hard drive, not external. Is that what you mean?
Bill
_______________________________________________ Seagate hard drive.
Bill
_______________________________________________
You can't mix boards. They must
be the same make and model.
Perhaps you can buy just the board? Or a used working one?
I've used both SG and WD and have had far more failures with WD.
I guess it depends on the models and how they are used?
I currently have nearly all SG drives in the "big machine" the server.
12 drives in total with no failures over the last 10 years.
Kate
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10 Sep
6:19 p.m.
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On Thursday 10 September 2020 11:11:22 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via tde-users
wrote:
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I do have another 1.5 TB hard drive (though I would need to backup its
data first); however, it is WD, not Seagate, and I would not willingly
buy
another
I always knew that, if Seagate somehow stays in business, then they must have
some customers somewhere. You must be the one.
Bill
On Thursday 10
September 2020 10:44:42 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via
tde-users
wrote:
> > On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:27:38 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via
> > tde-users
> >
> > wrote:
> > > On Thursday 10 September 2020, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
> > > > Hello again!
> > > >
> > > > I told you that you'd miss me when I'm gone. :-]
> > > >
> > > > Please, I need recommendations or strategies for recovering data.
> > > > I had
>
> a
>
> > > > flash drive become unreadable, after I plugged it into my new
printer
> > > > to print out some documents
that had been long in waiting. Then,
> > > > before I could save myself, I had a 1.5 TB hard drive also fail.
> > > > On this hard drive is (of course) the source of those backup
> > > > copies on the flash drive. This is the partition which I was just
> > > > about to backup.
> > > >
> > > > I have several hard drives, from 200 GB up to 8 TB, from 20 years
old
> > > > to brand-new; all are WD,
except for one which is Seagate. Guess
> > > > which one failed? I forget when I got it, or why I ever would
> > > > have got anything
>
> but
>
> > > > WD, or why I would have put anything important there.
> > > >
> > > > I have used ddrescue to try to recover the data, as well as other
> > > > forensics tools. Recovered images (img and iso) are saved, and
taking
> > > > up space, but I cannot
determine if there is any useful content
> > > > in what was recovered. The failing partition has not been
> > > > deleted. It cannot be read or mounted, so I have just left it
> > > > like that, so that I can try to save it.
> > > >
> > > > Every attempt to recover the data gives the same result: 2
> > > > errors, 3072 B, that cannot be read. I tried using tools to look
> > > > inside the saved iso image, but no luck there. I don't want to
> > > > erase or format the failing disk partition until I am sure that I
> > > > have recovered the data.
> > > >
> > > > My last hope is that I have another 1.5 TB hard drive; I could
> > > > try
to
> > write the disk images to that partition
before I format the old
> > drive. But first, of course, I would need to backup materials
> > from that drive, and now I am running out of space again.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > P.S. And if things were not bad enough, the skies here in San
> > Francisco are a muddy mixture of orange, black, brown and gray.
> > At noon today, it looked like the middle of the night.
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There's another option but a wee bit expensive.
>
> Purchase the same model SG drive (or whatever model etc) that
> failed and swap out the electronics.
>
> Assuming there's no mechanical damage, it will work.
> It's often why I buy drives in pairs.
>
> Hope this was helpful.
>
> Kate
It is an internal hard drive, not external. Is that what you mean?
Bill
_______________________________________________
I understand. I mean swap out the IDE boards on the drives.
Make sure to mark the bad one so you don't try to reuse it.
I've done that only a few times but it works. They must be the same
model.
Kate Seagate hard drive.
Bill
_______________________________________________
You can't mix boards. They must be the same make and model.
Perhaps you can buy just the board? Or a used working one?
I've used both SG and WD and have had far more failures with WD.
I guess it depends on the models and how they are used?
I currently have nearly all SG drives in the "big machine" the server.
12 drives in total with no failures over the last 10 years.
Kate
6:36 p.m.
New subject: data recovery - recommendations & strategies
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Here it was 50:50 failure on the Seagate disks - some older disks/models
failed after 5-6y some kept running for 10+ andwere decommissioned. I did
some research may be 7y ago and started buying 2TB WD RED for NAS - was
recommended for RAID. They seem to be good.
I think Kate means to move the magnetic disks from the failed driver to the
one that you know is working. Clearly you can not use different make/model.
But it is risky task.
Did you try badblocks?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Badblocks
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You can't
mix boards. They must be the same make and model.
Perhaps you can buy just the board? Or a used working one?
I've used both SG and WD and have had far more failures with WD.
I guess it depends on the models and how they are used?
I currently have nearly all SG drives in the "big machine" the server.
12 drives in total with no failures over the last 10 years.
Kate
I always knew that, if Seagate somehow stays in business, then they must
have some customers somewhere. You must be the one.
7:28 p.m.
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On Thursday 10 September 2020 11:36:17 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Here it was 50:50 failure on the Seagate disks - some older disks/models
failed after 5-6y some kept running for 10+ andwere decommissioned. I did
some research may be 7y ago and started buying 2TB WD RED for NAS - was
recommended for RAID. They seem to be good.
I think Kate means to move the magnetic disks from the failed driver to the
one that you know is working. Clearly you can not use different make/model.
But it is risky task.
Did you try badblocks?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Badblocks
I intend to try all other avenues for data recovery, before I try performing
surgery on the hard disk itself. That is a last option, I think.
Once Kate explained it, I knew what she meant, and I don't imagine it's so
hard in itself, just delicate and precise. But I imagine there are how-to
pages and wikis out there for just this kind of thing, and I have a hardware
toolkit.
Bill
You
can't mix boards. They must be the same make and model.
Perhaps you can buy just the board? Or a used working one?
I've used both SG and WD and have had far more failures with WD.
I guess it depends on the models and how they are used?
I currently have nearly all SG drives in the "big machine" the server.
12 drives in total with no failures over the last 10 years.
Kate
I always knew that, if Seagate somehow stays in business, then they must
have some customers somewhere. You must be the one.
9:12 p.m.
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William Morder via tde-users wrote:
I intend to try all other avenues for data recovery,
before I try
performing surgery on the hard disk itself. That is a last option, I
think.
ok, but if you use the badblocks command to identify potential bad block,
you could then easily get the filesystem mounted.
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9:26 p.m.
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On Thursday 10 September 2020 14:12:08 deloptes wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Ah ha! This sounds promising.
Looks like I need to do so more research. I only skimmed over those pages on
badblocks, but if I can get it at least mounted, then I ought to be able to
recover and move those files to somewhere safe.
Thanks much, everybody!
So far testdisk has progressed to about 80% complete, and it says about the
same thing as before. This was never a boot disk, so I wonder if that is a
bad sign. Also, it occurred to me that ddrescue's verdict of 2 errors, 3072
B, which didn't look familiar at first glance, is actually 1024 x 3 = 3072,
so these 2 errors are only 3 kb?
Do I need to identify (or calculate the position) of these bad blocks? I read
something about that. It would be nice if I can get this repaired by some
more trustworthy and non-human agent. Can I use badblocks to repair or delete
the bad sectors?
Bill
This is at about 80%
check_FAT: Unusual number of reserved sectors 4 (FAT), should be 1.
check_FAT: Unusual media descriptor (0xf8!=0xf0)
Warning: number of heads/cylinder mismatches 64 (FAT) != 255 (HD)
Warning: number of sectors per track mismatches 32 (FAT) != 63 (HD)
FAT12 54360 71 48 54361 11 50 12288 [Firmware]
check_FAT: can't read FAT boot sector
Invalid FAT boot sector
0 D FAT12 354362 221 37 438923 86 30 1358463954
FAT12 354362 221 37 438923 86 30 1358463954
Linux 0 0 1 182400 253 61 2930272000
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I intend to try all other avenues for data
recovery, before I try
performing surgery on the hard disk itself. That is a last option, I
think.
ok, but if you use the badblocks command to identify potential bad block,
you could then easily get the filesystem mounted.
10:44 p.m.
New subject: data recovery - recommendations & strategies
On Thu September 10 2020 14:26:20 William Morder via trinity-users via
tde-users wrote:
Do I need to identify (or calculate the position) of
these bad blocks?
I don't mean this disrespectfully but just to better apprise you
of your situation.
What you're doing is kind of like brain surgery and if you're
doing brain surgery and you're asking a diabetics mailing list
whether it's OK to remove this lumpy bit then you probably
shouldn't be doing brain surgery.
I have a master's in computer science and a lifetime of experience
and if I have to recover a hard drive in that kind of state I do a
lot of reading and studying. Sometimes I have to read the source
code of a tool to see what it is really doing. If I have to ask a
question I ask subject matter experts, not users of this magnificent
desktop environment. And with all that I don't always succeed.
--Mike
11:01 p.m.
New subject: data recovery - recommendations & strategies
Anno domini 2020 Thu, 10 Sep 15:44:58 -0700
Mike Bird via tde-users scripsit:
On Thu September 10 2020 14:26:20 William Morder via
trinity-users via
tde-users wrote:
Now that you mention brain surgery ... there was that old
put-that-disk-in-the-fridge-trick. Remember some unpleasent situations with cables running
from the wrong side of the fridge and a stressed guy defending that assembly against
zombies trying to steal strawberry icecream which happed to be an essental part of the
plan ... might be it was myself :)
nik
Do I need to identify (or calculate the position)
of these bad blocks?
I don't mean this disrespectfully but just to better apprise you
of your situation.
What you're doing is kind of like brain surgery and if you're
doing brain surgery and you're asking a diabetics mailing list
whether it's OK to remove this lumpy bit then you probably
shouldn't be doing brain surgery.
I have a master's in computer science and a lifetime of experience
and if I have to recover a hard drive in that kind of state I do a
lot of reading and studying. Sometimes I have to read the source
code of a tool to see what it is really doing. If I have to ask a
question I ask subject matter experts, not users of this magnificent
desktop environment. And with all that I don't always succeed.
--Mike
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11 Sep
11 Sep
4:46 a.m.
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On Thursday 10 September 2020 15:44:58 Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
On Thu September 10 2020 14:26:20 William Morder via
trinity-users via
tde-users wrote:
This is why I am asking questions. If I am impatient, it is because I would
rather not be messing with computers at all, but want to get to my 40 years
of research materials and personal data that are trapped on the hard drive.
I use my computers for other work, but now it becomes necessary to learn new
skills that are not really suited to my temperament. However, this is what
needs to be done, so I find a way.
Until about 2005, computers were for me only glorified typewriters, and I
never used the Internet before 2000. I taught myself to run Linux so that I
could have more control over my system (and I do like to build things, like
hardware), but I don't claim to know anything. I find my way like a blind
person feeling around in a new place.
It does help to have people who can tell me what they know better than I.
Bill
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Do I need to identify (or calculate the position)
of these bad blocks?
I don't mean this disrespectfully but just to better apprise you
of your situation.
What you're doing is kind of like brain surgery and if you're
doing brain surgery and you're asking a diabetics mailing list
whether it's OK to remove this lumpy bit then you probably
shouldn't be doing brain surgery.
I have a master's in computer science and a lifetime of experience
and if I have to recover a hard drive in that kind of state I do a
lot of reading and studying. Sometimes I have to read the source
code of a tool to see what it is really doing. If I have to ask a
question I ask subject matter experts, not users of this magnificent
desktop environment. And with all that I don't always succeed.
--Mike
10 Sep
10 Sep
10:47 p.m.
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On Thursday 10 September 2020, deloptes wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
That's a
good point. Mount it as a readonly.
Wouldn't that work. You might not even need to run an fsck.
That's how it works with JFS.
Kate
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I intend to try all other avenues for data
recovery, before I try
performing surgery on the hard disk itself. That is a last option, I
think.
ok, but if you use the badblocks command to identify potential bad block,
you could then easily get the filesystem mounted.
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11:03 p.m.
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Anno domini 2020 Thu, 10 Sep 18:47:10 -0400
BorgLabs - Kate Draven via tde-users scripsit:
On Thursday 10 September 2020, deloptes wrote:
ext3/ext4 is never readonly, even when mounted readonly. For forensics you always have to
do a 1:1 copy, make it writeprotect and then mount the image.
Nik
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
That's a
good point. Mount it as a readonly.
Wouldn't that work. You might not even need to run an fsck.
That's how it works with JFS. I intend to try all other avenues for data
recovery, before I try
performing surgery on the hard disk itself. That is a last option, I
think.
ok, but if you use the badblocks command to identify potential bad block,
you could then easily get the filesystem mounted.
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8:06 p.m.
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On Thu September 10 2020 11:19:35 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
I always knew that, if Seagate somehow stays in
business, then they must
have some customers somewhere. You must be the one.
Seagate shipments for 2019 were just ahead of Western Digital shipments
with Toshiba trailing well behind.
Over the years it goes in cycles. Manufacturers cut corners until they
get a crap reputation and then they have to invest to build their
reputation back.
We've got Seagates, Western Digitals, and even some Maxtors. Some
of them must be twenty years old. If you protect them from heat
and physical shock and power surge the MTBF can be over a century.
--Mike
8:25 p.m.
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On Thursday 10 September 2020 13:06:57 Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
On Thu September 10 2020 11:19:35 William Morder via
tde-users wrote:
Yeah, like I said, some of these are 20 years old, and still going. For me, at
least, WD have always been reliable, never failed; I have had a few Seagates
fail on me (2 or 3?) over the years, a Maxtor (still sitting here), but never
Western Digital.
Besides my own experience, too, among geeks whom I know personally, whose
advice has always been sound: they all swear by WD. But if Kate or others
have good experiences with Seagate, I'll keep it in mind.
Like you say, things change. Whatever the business, they will eventually try
to cut corners in order to maximize profits, because raising prices is
usually a bad move.
With these new SSD drives, though, I am in uncharted territory. I passed on a
much cheaper Samsung, but eventually got a WD 1 TB SSD, which so far (fingers
crossed) has performed like a champion.
Bill
I always knew that, if Seagate somehow stays in
business, then they must
have some customers somewhere. You must be the one.
Seagate shipments for 2019 were just ahead of Western Digital shipments
with Toshiba trailing well behind.
Over the years it goes in cycles. Manufacturers cut corners until they
get a crap reputation and then they have to invest to build their
reputation back.
We've got Seagates, Western Digitals, and even some Maxtors. Some
of them must be twenty years old. If you protect them from heat
and physical shock and power surge the MTBF can be over a century.
--Mike
9:15 p.m.
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William Morder via tde-users wrote:
With these new SSD drives, though, I am in uncharted
territory. I passed
on a much cheaper Samsung, but eventually got a WD 1 TB SSD, which so far
(fingers crossed) has performed like a champion.
if it matters, use them always in pairs (raid) otherwise backup, cause there
are no spinning disks inside that you can extract and recover.
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On Thursday 10 September 2020 14:15:09 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
The SSD is the base of the system, my home partition, etc., but I never keep
anything on it permanently. It is strictly for items that are "in
transition"; files that I am converting, or recording and mixing tracks for
my own music. But then I save copies to other drives.
Bill
With these new SSD drives, though, I am in
uncharted territory. I passed
on a much cheaper Samsung, but eventually got a WD 1 TB SSD, which so far
(fingers crossed) has performed like a champion.
if it matters, use them always in pairs (raid) otherwise backup, cause
there are no spinning disks inside that you can extract and recover.
10:49 p.m.
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On Thursday 10 September 2020, deloptes wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Sage advice.
Advice I follow with redundancy.
I back up important stuff to a "backups" directory, then /home to another
internal drive, which is raided with another. Then to 2 external drives.
I also make DVD backups.
I lost data once, about 22 years ago. I had to start from scratch. Never
again.
Kate
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With these new SSD drives, though, I am in
uncharted territory. I passed
on a much cheaper Samsung, but eventually got a WD 1 TB SSD, which so far
(fingers crossed) has performed like a champion.
if it matters, use them always in pairs (raid) otherwise backup, cause
there are no spinning disks inside that you can extract and recover.
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11 Sep
11 Sep
1:42 a.m.
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On Thu September 10 2020 15:49:21 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via tde-users wrote:
Sage advice. Advice I follow with redundancy.
I back up important stuff to a "backups" directory, then /home to another
internal drive, which is raided with another. Then to 2 external drives.
I also make DVD backups.
I lost data once, about 22 years ago. I had to start from scratch. Never
again.
I can't afford the time for DVD backups these days but a lot of
our stuff is mirrored, plus sets of three rotating hard drive
backups via rsync over ssh. Your top risk factor then is human
error.
An unfortunate young lady sysadmin in our group circa 1980
mistyped a tar-pipe-tar disk-to-disk backup command pipeline
and with the pipe buffer then being a fixed 4KB managed to
truncate every file on the server to 4KB. Took her several
days to reinstall and reconfigure and recover from the weekly
tape backup but she succeeded.
I once accidentally deleted the wrong LVM volume group when
reorganizing our backup system. After a screw-up like that
it's important not to thrash around and possibly corrupt any
deleted data. After much studying and heartburn vgcfgrestore
fixed things perfectly in an instant.
--Mike
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On Thursday 10 September 2020 15:49:21 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via tde-users
wrote:
On Thursday 10 September 2020, deloptes wrote:
Yeah, I *thought* that I had learned that lesson. I was redistributing
materials on my various hard drives so that I could organize like with like.
In the middle of this, when the flash drive failed, followed by the source on
this hard disk, I was caught without a backup.
Bill
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Sage advice. Advice I follow with redundancy.
I back up important stuff to a "backups" directory, then /home to another
internal drive, which is raided with another. Then to 2 external drives.
I also make DVD backups.
I lost data once, about 22 years ago. I had to start from scratch. Never
again.
Kate
With these new SSD drives, though, I am in
uncharted territory. I
passed on a much cheaper Samsung, but eventually got a WD 1 TB SSD,
which so far (fingers crossed) has performed like a champion.
if it matters, use them always in pairs (raid) otherwise backup, cause
there are no spinning disks inside that you can extract and recover.
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On Thursday 10 September 2020, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 10 September 2020 13:06:57 Mike Bird via
tde-users wrote:
I have a WD
SSD 1tb. It's nearly two years old and still going in one of the
laptops.
Kate
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On Thu September 10 2020 11:19:35 William Morder
via tde-users wrote:
Yeah, like I said, some of these are 20 years old, and still going. For me,
at least, WD have always been reliable, never failed; I have had a few
Seagates fail on me (2 or 3?) over the years, a Maxtor (still sitting
here), but never Western Digital.
Besides my own experience, too, among geeks whom I know personally, whose
advice has always been sound: they all swear by WD. But if Kate or others
have good experiences with Seagate, I'll keep it in mind.
Like you say, things change. Whatever the business, they will eventually
try to cut corners in order to maximize profits, because raising prices is
usually a bad move.
With these new SSD drives, though, I am in uncharted territory. I passed on
a much cheaper Samsung, but eventually got a WD 1 TB SSD, which so far
(fingers crossed) has performed like a champion.
Bill
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--------------------------------------------------------------------- I always knew that, if Seagate somehow stays in
business, then they
must have some customers somewhere. You must be the one.
Seagate shipments for 2019 were just ahead of Western Digital shipments
with Toshiba trailing well behind.
Over the years it goes in cycles. Manufacturers cut corners until they
get a crap reputation and then they have to invest to build their
reputation back.
We've got Seagates, Western Digitals, and even some Maxtors. Some
of them must be twenty years old. If you protect them from heat
and physical shock and power surge the MTBF can be over a century.
--Mike
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On Thursday 10 September 2020, Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
On Thu September 10 2020 11:19:35 William Morder via
tde-users wrote:
Yeah
you're correct about all of that.
I have a maxtor 750G that's 18 yo and still going.
Always on a surge suppressor, always in a cool dry environment, never moved.
Kate
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I always knew that, if Seagate somehow stays in
business, then they must
have some customers somewhere. You must be the one.
Seagate shipments for 2019 were just ahead of Western Digital shipments
with Toshiba trailing well behind.
Over the years it goes in cycles. Manufacturers cut corners until they
get a crap reputation and then they have to invest to build their
reputation back.
We've got Seagates, Western Digitals, and even some Maxtors. Some
of them must be twenty years old. If you protect them from heat
and physical shock and power surge the MTBF can be over a century.
--Mike
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