28 Apr
2018
28 Apr
'18
11:17 p.m.
said deloptes:
|You need to be more explicit, there re, or were, 2 different versions of
|TDE, I jumped straight to R14.0.0.1 originally, and never looked back,
|currently at R14.0.5. So I don't recall the other version offered.
okay, let's take it from the top. i ran kde from the last beta before kde 1.0, almost
20 years ago. beginning with 4.0, the kde project went in my estimation all flaky, so i
stuck with 3.5.x until i was happy to learn of tde, which i have used since then in its
verious versions. i am currently running tde 14.0.5 atop ubuntu 14.04.
[much deletia]
i'm glad you have kmail working as you like. i do, too.
|What does this protonmail do that makes it so much more desirable?
it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail service, not a mail client. you can
learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing is, access to protonmail in linux is
currently via a secure web interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure
browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing called protonmail
bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local machine before sending it, and decrypts it upon
receipt, allowing more traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through
protonmail. there is currently a beta, available only from protonmail, of the bridge for
linux. that is what i am trying to install, so i can continue to use kmail, as i have for
nearly two decades.
part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp a week ago, wherein
they announced that they would be combing through my email, pictures, and everything else
in search of things useful to them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found
this unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work with kmail.
dep
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29 Apr
29 Apr
12:27 a.m.
On Saturday 28 April 2018 19:17:04 dep wrote:
said deloptes:
|You need to be more explicit, there re, or were, 2 different versions
| of TDE, I jumped straight to R14.0.0.1 originally, and never looked
| back, currently at R14.0.5. So I don't recall the other version
| offered.
okay, let's take it from the top. i ran kde from the last beta before
kde 1.0, almost 20 years ago. beginning with 4.0, the kde project went
in my estimation all flaky, so i stuck with 3.5.x until i was happy to
learn of tde, which i have used since then in its verious versions. i
am currently running tde 14.0.5 atop ubuntu 14.04.
[much deletia]
i'm glad you have kmail working as you like. i do, too.
|What does this protonmail do that makes it so much more desirable?
it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail service, not a mail
client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing
is, access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web
interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure
browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing
called protonmail bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local machine
before sending it, and decrypts it upon receipt, allowing more
traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through protonmail.
there is currently a beta, available only from protonmail, of the
bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to install, so i can
continue to use kmail, as i have for nearly two decades.
part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp
a week ago, wherein they announced that they would be combing through
my email, pictures, and everything else in search of things useful to
them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found this
unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work
with kmail.
That, to borrow a phrase from a long time friend named JoAnn Dow, sucks
dead toads thru soda straws.
There is no competing ISP available in your neck of the woods? And do
those posts normally subjectable to copyright carry the notice that they
are?
After a round with yahoo years ago, I have 2 separate sigs, one of which
carries a copyright notice. That I've found does not seem to be capable
of being made an auto-include in kmail, so I don't use it very often.
One can never tell when the equ of a restarant napkin scribble is
submitted and gains a patent. Nearly 20 years ago (I am a retired Chief
Engineer for radio and tv, mostly tv) we all got a letter from a patent
troll announcing he had patented the then current EBS system and would
we please forward an outrageous fee for patent infringement since it had
gone live 20 years prior. I composed a letter in response intended to
apply to them and to the FCC informing everybody that we had no
intentions of paying his ransom as long as it was a system wide
government agency mandate. Its my understanding the commission members
each got at least one such message from every tv and radio broadcaster
in the country. And it still took the commission over a year to get
that patent invalidated. Haven't heard a word since, but we all kept
getting even more demanding letters from those jerks until then.
I was relatively polite in that I didn't say the best part of the patent
office personell that granted that patent had run down their mothers
leg. But I sure thought about it... Never have been one to suffer fools
gladly, and at 83, I'm pretty well fixed in that regard.
In any event, I hope you can find a solution that works.
dep
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1:56 a.m.
On 04/28/2018 04:17 PM, dep wrote:
i'm glad you have kmail working as you like. i do,
too.
|What does this protonmail do that makes it so much more desirable?
it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail service, not a mail client. you can
learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing is, access to protonmail in linux is
currently via a secure web interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure
browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing called protonmail
bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local machine before sending it, and decrypts it upon
receipt, allowing more traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through
protonmail. there is currently a beta, available only from protonmail, of the bridge for
linux. that is what i am trying to install, so i can continue to use kmail, as i have for
nearly two decades.
part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp a week ago, wherein
they announced that they would be combing through my email, pictures, and everything else
in search of things useful to them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found
this unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work with kmail.
Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure
Email. Because privacy matters.
I don't understand. What dose webmail have to do with kmail?
Cheers,
--
Jimmy Johnson
Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6
Registered Linux User #380263
2:13 a.m.
On 04/28/2018 06:56 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 04/28/2018 04:17 PM, dep wrote:
i'm glad you have kmail working as you like.
i do, too.
|What does this protonmail do that makes it so much more desirable?
it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail service, not a mail
client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing
is, access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web
interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure
browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing
called protonmail bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local machine
before sending it, and decrypts it upon receipt, allowing more
traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through protonmail.
there is currently a beta, available only from protonmail, of the
bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to install, so i can
continue to use kmail, as i have for nearly two decades.
part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp
a week ago, wherein they announced that they would be combing through
my email, pictures, and everything else in search of things useful to
them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found this
unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work
with kmail.
> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because
> privacy matters. I don't understand. What dose webmail have to do
with kmail?
Is this what you are doing or trying to do?
https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/bridge-for-linux/
Cheers,
--
Jimmy Johnson
Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6
Registered Linux User #380263
2:15 a.m.
yes.
On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 04/28/2018 06:56 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On
04/28/2018 04:17 PM, dep wrote: > >> i'm glad you have kmail working as you
like. i do, too. >> >> |What does this protonmail do that makes it so much
more desirable? >> >> it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail
service, not a mail >> client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com.
thing >> is, access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web >>
interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure >> browser dedicated
to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing >> called protonmail bridge. it
encrypts the mail on the local machine >> before sending it, and decrypts it upon
receipt, allowing more >> traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through
protonmail. >> there is currently a beta, available only from protonmail, of the
>> bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to install, so i can >> continue
to use kmail, as i have for nearly two decades. >> >> part of the reason for
this is a change of the terms of use by my isp >> a week ago, wherein they announced
that they would be combing through >> my email, pictures, and everything else in
search of things useful to >> them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i
found this >> unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work
>> with kmail. > >> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure
Email. Because >> privacy matters. > I don't understand. What dose webmail
have to do with kmail? Is this what you are doing or trying to do?
https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/bridge-for-linux/ Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson
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2:53 a.m.
New subject: Kmail, sending and reciving Proton mail was Re: more re. tde and qt5
On 04/28/2018 07:13 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 04/28/2018 06:56 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Are you a beta-tester?
You are paying for this service, have you contacted Protonmail for help?
Have you read kmail docs for help?
https://userbase.kde.org/KMail
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Registered Linux User #380263
On 04/28/2018 04:17 PM, dep wrote:
i'm glad you have kmail working as you like.
i do, too.
|What does this protonmail do that makes it so much more desirable?
it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail service, not a mail
client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing
is, access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web
interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure
browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a
thing called protonmail bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local
machine before sending it, and decrypts it upon receipt, allowing
more traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through
protonmail. there is currently a beta, available only from
protonmail, of the bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to
install, so i can continue to use kmail, as i have for nearly two
decades.
part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp
a week ago, wherein they announced that they would be combing through
my email, pictures, and everything else in search of things useful to
them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found this
unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work
with kmail.
> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because
> privacy matters. I don't understand. What dose webmail have
to do with kmail?
Is this what you are doing or trying to do?
https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/bridge-for-linux/ 
6:46 a.m.
New subject: more re. tde and qt5
dep wrote:
it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail
service, not a mail
client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing is,
access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web interface (or
an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure browser dedicated to
protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing called protonmail
bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local machine before sending it, and
decrypts it upon receipt, allowing more traditional mail clients to send
and receive mail through protonmail. there is currently a beta, available
only from protonmail, of the bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to
install, so i can continue to use kmail, as i have for nearly two decades.
part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp a
week ago, wherein they announced that they would be combing through my
email, pictures, and everything else in search of things useful to them.
as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found this unacceptable.
hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work with kmail.
In my opinion the PGPG support in KMail is pretty sufficient to enable
secure communication with any recipient.
Why would you bother paying for something you already have?
I ask myself if you clearly understand the concept of encrypted mails?
regards
9:27 a.m.
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb deloptes:
In my opinion the PGPG support in KMail is pretty
sufficient to enable
secure communication with any recipient.
Why would you bother paying for something you already have?
I ask myself if you clearly understand the concept of encrypted mails?
regards
The point of protinmail - as I see it - was an email address, that could not be associated
with a real person. But protonmail changed the initial user authentication to require a
handy or some other identifyable device, so the main purpose is gone.
But what I miss in kamil+PGPG is an encrypted mail-subject, e.g "Subject:
[trinity-users] Re: more re. tde and qt5" beeing replaced by a random string, which
gets replaced on the receiver side with an embedded subject from within the encrypted
mail. Reason is, that a lot of users use a subject that tells a lot about the mail
content, at least enough to let it be sorted in "interesting" or
"junk".
Nik
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9:35 a.m.
On Sunday 29 April 2018 02:27:33 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb deloptes:
Another good point!
Bill
In my opinion the PGPG support in KMail is pretty
sufficient to enable
secure communication with any recipient.
Why would you bother paying for something you already have?
I ask myself if you clearly understand the concept of encrypted mails?
regards
The point of protinmail - as I see it - was an email address, that could
not be associated with a real person. But protonmail changed the initial
user authentication to require a handy or some other identifyable device,
so the main purpose is gone.
But what I miss in kamil+PGPG is an encrypted mail-subject, e.g "Subject:
[trinity-users] Re: more re. tde and qt5" beeing replaced by a random
string, which gets replaced on the receiver side with an embedded subject
from within the encrypted mail. Reason is, that a lot of users use a
subject that tells a lot about the mail content, at least enough to let it
be sorted in "interesting" or "junk".
Nik
10:08 a.m.
New subject: more re. tde and qt5
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
But what I miss in kamil+PGPG is an encrypted
mail-subject, e.g "Subject:
[trinity-users] Re: more re. tde and qt5" beeing replaced by a random
string, which gets replaced on the receiver side with an embedded subject
from within the encrypted mail. Reason is, that a lot of users use a
subject that tells a lot about the mail content, at least enough to let it
be sorted in "interesting" or "junk".
As far as I know the subject is required by the mail server and is not part
of the RFCs I read so far.
Whatever protonmail is - the base concept of encryption is implemented in
kmail+pgpg and there can not be anything else to provide secure
communication that is not part of this implementation.
regards
11:53 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: more re. tde and qt5
protonmail offers (extra cost) a vpn service, afaik, vpn secures the mail
from man in the middle, ie. isp's, compromised routers, etc. Encryption leaks
some info enroute making vpn neccessary, not an extra.
$.02
Greg Madden
On Sunday 29 April 2018 02:08:02 am deloptes wrote:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
But what I miss in kamil+PGPG is an encrypted
mail-subject, e.g "Subject:
[trinity-users] Re: more re. tde and qt5" beeing replaced by a random
string, which gets replaced on the receiver side with an embedded subject
from within the encrypted mail. Reason is, that a lot of users use a
subject that tells a lot about the mail content, at least enough to let
it be sorted in "interesting" or "junk".
As far as I know the subject is required by the mail server and is not part
of the RFCs I read so far.
Whatever protonmail is - the base concept of encryption is implemented in
kmail+pgpg and there can not be anything else to provide secure
communication that is not part of this implementation.
regards
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New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: more re. tde and qt5
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb Greg Madden:
protonmail offers (extra cost) a vpn service, afaik,
vpn secures the mail
from man in the middle, ie. isp's, compromised routers, etc. Encryption leaks
some info enroute making vpn neccessary, not an extra.
$.02
Greg Madden
Well, I'm not a friend of vpn services. On one hand, i's harder to mantain than
ssh. On the other, it does not provide with any improvement over e.g. sshuttle. And on one
foot, I do not trust vpn salestalk since it has bitten me more than once... (see, I have
still one foot left for standing :-) )
Nik
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8:58 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: more re. tde and qt5
On Sunday 29 April 2018 11:32:08 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb Greg Madden:
I agree. VPN = snake oil. Maybe not always, but VPNs promise more than they
can deliver. I trust more in the anonymity of Tor (and take my chances with
rogue actors and man-in-the-middle attacks), than to suppose that privacy and
security can be bought.
There also won't ever be some magic bullet or perfect solution; it will always
be like cat-and-mouse. Encryption keeps getting better, and cracking tools
also get better, and that's how it will be. I just hope for relative success,
to leave few data traces "out there", but I don't imagine that I am
invisible.
Bill
protonmail offers (extra cost) a vpn service,
afaik, vpn secures the
mail from man in the middle, ie. isp's, compromised routers, etc.
Encryption leaks some info enroute making vpn neccessary, not an extra.
$.02
Greg Madden
Well, I'm not a friend of vpn services. On one hand, i's harder to mantain
than ssh. On the other, it does not provide with any improvement over e.g.
sshuttle. And on one foot, I do not trust vpn salestalk since it has bitten
me more than once... (see, I have still one foot left for standing :-) )
Nik
9:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: more re. tde and qt5
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb William Morder:
On Sunday 29 April 2018 11:32:08 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
You know what's the funniest part of all of this? Realy bad guys don't use
encryption at all - and get away with it.
Nik
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Hi!
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb Greg Madden:
I agree. VPN = snake oil. Maybe not always, but VPNs promise more than they
can deliver. I trust more in the anonymity of Tor (and take my chances with
rogue actors and man-in-the-middle attacks), than to suppose that privacy and
security can be bought.
There also won't ever be some magic bullet or perfect solution; it will always
be like cat-and-mouse. Encryption keeps getting better, and cracking tools
also get better, and that's how it will be. I just hope for relative success,
to leave few data traces "out there", but I don't imagine that I am
invisible.
Bill protonmail offers (extra cost) a vpn service,
afaik, vpn secures the
mail from man in the middle, ie. isp's, compromised routers, etc.
Encryption leaks some info enroute making vpn neccessary, not an extra.
$.02
Greg Madden
Well, I'm not a friend of vpn services. On one hand, i's harder to mantain
than ssh. On the other, it does not provide with any improvement over e.g.
sshuttle. And on one foot, I do not trust vpn salestalk since it has bitten
me more than once... (see, I have still one foot left for standing :-) )
Nik
30 Apr
30 Apr
12:01 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: more re. tde and qt5
On Sunday 29 April 2018 14:34:09 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb William Morder:
If you work for the government, or wear a badge, there is no need to hide what
you do to bad guys, as long as you are doing it to the "right" bad guys, and
not to the "wrong" bad guys.
It's hard for me to tell them all apart, so mostly I just hide under my rock.
Bill
On Sunday 29 April 2018 11:32:08 Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp wrote:
You know what's the funniest part of all of this? Realy bad guys don't use
encryption at all - and get away with it.
Nik Hi!
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb Greg Madden:
I agree. VPN = snake oil. Maybe not always, but VPNs promise more than
they can deliver. I trust more in the anonymity of Tor (and take my
chances with rogue actors and man-in-the-middle attacks), than to suppose
that privacy and security can be bought.
There also won't ever be some magic bullet or perfect solution; it will
always be like cat-and-mouse. Encryption keeps getting better, and
cracking tools also get better, and that's how it will be. I just hope
for relative success, to leave few data traces "out there", but I don't
imagine that I am invisible.
Bill protonmail offers (extra cost) a vpn service,
afaik, vpn secures the
mail from man in the middle, ie. isp's, compromised routers, etc.
Encryption leaks some info enroute making vpn neccessary, not an
extra.
$.02
Greg Madden
Well, I'm not a friend of vpn services. On one hand, i's harder to
mantain than ssh. On the other, it does not provide with any
improvement over e.g. sshuttle. And on one foot, I do not trust vpn
salestalk since it has bitten me more than once... (see, I have still
one foot left for standing :-) )
Nik
29 Apr
29 Apr
12:02 p.m.
On Sunday 29 April 2018 02:46:20 deloptes wrote:
dep wrote:
If you don't mind all the TLA's reading it. I still think that a backdoor
or a universal key in it was the price of letting Phil out of jail.
TANSTAAFL, there is no way to bypass it.
So if I was ever to use pgp and assume it was good, it would be built
from version 2.62a, published before he was arrested. And I have no idea
where I could obtain a copy of that src to build it now since the boot
drive in my amiga 2000 died and took the os with it.
it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure
mail service, not a mail
client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing
is, access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web
interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure
browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a
thing called protonmail bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local
machine before sending it, and decrypts it upon receipt, allowing
more traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through
protonmail. there is currently a beta, available only from
protonmail, of the bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to
install, so i can continue to use kmail, as i have for nearly two
decades.
part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my
isp a week ago, wherein they announced that they would be combing
through my email, pictures, and everything else in search of things
useful to them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found
this unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it
work with kmail.
In my opinion the PGPG support in KMail is pretty sufficient to enable
secure communication with any recipient. Why would you bother paying for something you already
have?
What pgp we have today, the NSA can read in 5 seconds. They have said as
much.
I ask myself if you clearly understand the concept of
encrypted mails?
I think I do. :)
regards
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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