said deloptes:
|You need to be more explicit, there re, or were, 2 different versions of |TDE, I jumped straight to R14.0.0.1 originally, and never looked back, |currently at R14.0.5. So I don't recall the other version offered.
okay, let's take it from the top. i ran kde from the last beta before kde 1.0, almost 20 years ago. beginning with 4.0, the kde project went in my estimation all flaky, so i stuck with 3.5.x until i was happy to learn of tde, which i have used since then in its verious versions. i am currently running tde 14.0.5 atop ubuntu 14.04.
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i'm glad you have kmail working as you like. i do, too.
|What does this protonmail do that makes it so much more desirable?
it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail service, not a mail client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing is, access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing called protonmail bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local machine before sending it, and decrypts it upon receipt, allowing more traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through protonmail. there is currently a beta, available only from protonmail, of the bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to install, so i can continue to use kmail, as i have for nearly two decades.
part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp a week ago, wherein they announced that they would be combing through my email, pictures, and everything else in search of things useful to them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found this unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work with kmail.
dep
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On Saturday 28 April 2018 19:17:04 dep wrote:
said deloptes: |You need to be more explicit, there re, or were, 2 different versions | of TDE, I jumped straight to R14.0.0.1 originally, and never looked | back, currently at R14.0.5. So I don't recall the other version | offered.
okay, let's take it from the top. i ran kde from the last beta before kde 1.0, almost 20 years ago. beginning with 4.0, the kde project went in my estimation all flaky, so i stuck with 3.5.x until i was happy to learn of tde, which i have used since then in its verious versions. i am currently running tde 14.0.5 atop ubuntu 14.04.
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i'm glad you have kmail working as you like. i do, too.
|What does this protonmail do that makes it so much more desirable?
it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail service, not a mail client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing is, access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing called protonmail bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local machine before sending it, and decrypts it upon receipt, allowing more traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through protonmail. there is currently a beta, available only from protonmail, of the bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to install, so i can continue to use kmail, as i have for nearly two decades.
part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp a week ago, wherein they announced that they would be combing through my email, pictures, and everything else in search of things useful to them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found this unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work with kmail.
That, to borrow a phrase from a long time friend named JoAnn Dow, sucks dead toads thru soda straws.
There is no competing ISP available in your neck of the woods? And do those posts normally subjectable to copyright carry the notice that they are?
After a round with yahoo years ago, I have 2 separate sigs, one of which carries a copyright notice. That I've found does not seem to be capable of being made an auto-include in kmail, so I don't use it very often.
One can never tell when the equ of a restarant napkin scribble is submitted and gains a patent. Nearly 20 years ago (I am a retired Chief Engineer for radio and tv, mostly tv) we all got a letter from a patent troll announcing he had patented the then current EBS system and would we please forward an outrageous fee for patent infringement since it had gone live 20 years prior. I composed a letter in response intended to apply to them and to the FCC informing everybody that we had no intentions of paying his ransom as long as it was a system wide government agency mandate. Its my understanding the commission members each got at least one such message from every tv and radio broadcaster in the country. And it still took the commission over a year to get that patent invalidated. Haven't heard a word since, but we all kept getting even more demanding letters from those jerks until then.
I was relatively polite in that I didn't say the best part of the patent office personell that granted that patent had run down their mothers leg. But I sure thought about it... Never have been one to suffer fools gladly, and at 83, I'm pretty well fixed in that regard.
In any event, I hope you can find a solution that works.
dep
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On 04/28/2018 04:17 PM, dep wrote:
i'm glad you have kmail working as you like. i do, too.
|What does this protonmail do that makes it so much more desirable?
it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail service, not a mail client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing is, access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing called protonmail bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local machine before sending it, and decrypts it upon receipt, allowing more traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through protonmail. there is currently a beta, available only from protonmail, of the bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to install, so i can continue to use kmail, as i have for nearly two decades.
part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp a week ago, wherein they announced that they would be combing through my email, pictures, and everything else in search of things useful to them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found this unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work with kmail.
Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because privacy matters.
I don't understand. What dose webmail have to do with kmail?
Cheers,
On 04/28/2018 06:56 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 04/28/2018 04:17 PM, dep wrote:
i'm glad you have kmail working as you like. i do, too.
|What does this protonmail do that makes it so much more desirable?
it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail service, not a mail client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing is, access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing called protonmail bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local machine before sending it, and decrypts it upon receipt, allowing more traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through protonmail. there is currently a beta, available only from protonmail, of the bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to install, so i can continue to use kmail, as i have for nearly two decades.
part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp a week ago, wherein they announced that they would be combing through my email, pictures, and everything else in search of things useful to them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found this unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work with kmail.
Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because privacy matters.
I don't understand. What dose webmail have to do with kmail?
Is this what you are doing or trying to do? https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/bridge-for-linux/
Cheers,
yes.
On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Jimmy Johnson field.engineer@gmail.com wrote:
On 04/28/2018 06:56 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 04/28/2018 04:17 PM, dep wrote: > >> i'm glad you have kmail working as you like. i do, too. >> >> |What does this protonmail do that makes it so much more desirable? >> >> it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail service, not a mail >> client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing >> is, access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web >> interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure >> browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing >> called protonmail bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local machine >> before sending it, and decrypts it upon receipt, allowing more >> traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through protonmail. >> there is currently a beta, available only from protonmail, of the >> bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to install, so i can >> continue to use kmail, as i have for nearly two decades. >> >> part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp >> a week ago, wherein they announced that they would be combing through >> my email, pictures, and everything else in search of things useful to >> them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found this >> unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work >> with kmail. > >> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because >> privacy matters. > I don't understand. What dose webmail have to do with kmail? Is this what you are doing or trying to do? https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/bridge-for-linux/ Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
On 04/28/2018 07:13 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 04/28/2018 06:56 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 04/28/2018 04:17 PM, dep wrote:
i'm glad you have kmail working as you like. i do, too.
|What does this protonmail do that makes it so much more desirable?
it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail service, not a mail client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing is, access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing called protonmail bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local machine before sending it, and decrypts it upon receipt, allowing more traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through protonmail. there is currently a beta, available only from protonmail, of the bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to install, so i can continue to use kmail, as i have for nearly two decades.
part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp a week ago, wherein they announced that they would be combing through my email, pictures, and everything else in search of things useful to them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found this unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work with kmail.
Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because privacy matters.
I don't understand. What dose webmail have to do with kmail?
Is this what you are doing or trying to do? https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/bridge-for-linux/
Are you a beta-tester?
You are paying for this service, have you contacted Protonmail for help?
Have you read kmail docs for help? https://userbase.kde.org/KMail
Cheers,
dep wrote:
it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail service, not a mail client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing is, access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing called protonmail bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local machine before sending it, and decrypts it upon receipt, allowing more traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through protonmail. there is currently a beta, available only from protonmail, of the bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to install, so i can continue to use kmail, as i have for nearly two decades.
part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp a week ago, wherein they announced that they would be combing through my email, pictures, and everything else in search of things useful to them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found this unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work with kmail.
In my opinion the PGPG support in KMail is pretty sufficient to enable secure communication with any recipient. Why would you bother paying for something you already have?
I ask myself if you clearly understand the concept of encrypted mails?
regards
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb deloptes:
In my opinion the PGPG support in KMail is pretty sufficient to enable secure communication with any recipient. Why would you bother paying for something you already have?
I ask myself if you clearly understand the concept of encrypted mails?
regards
The point of protinmail - as I see it - was an email address, that could not be associated with a real person. But protonmail changed the initial user authentication to require a handy or some other identifyable device, so the main purpose is gone.
But what I miss in kamil+PGPG is an encrypted mail-subject, e.g "Subject: [trinity-users] Re: more re. tde and qt5" beeing replaced by a random string, which gets replaced on the receiver side with an embedded subject from within the encrypted mail. Reason is, that a lot of users use a subject that tells a lot about the mail content, at least enough to let it be sorted in "interesting" or "junk".
Nik
On Sunday 29 April 2018 02:27:33 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb deloptes:
In my opinion the PGPG support in KMail is pretty sufficient to enable secure communication with any recipient. Why would you bother paying for something you already have?
I ask myself if you clearly understand the concept of encrypted mails?
regards
The point of protinmail - as I see it - was an email address, that could not be associated with a real person. But protonmail changed the initial user authentication to require a handy or some other identifyable device, so the main purpose is gone.
But what I miss in kamil+PGPG is an encrypted mail-subject, e.g "Subject: [trinity-users] Re: more re. tde and qt5" beeing replaced by a random string, which gets replaced on the receiver side with an embedded subject from within the encrypted mail. Reason is, that a lot of users use a subject that tells a lot about the mail content, at least enough to let it be sorted in "interesting" or "junk".
Nik
Another good point!
Bill
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
But what I miss in kamil+PGPG is an encrypted mail-subject, e.g "Subject: [trinity-users] Re: more re. tde and qt5" beeing replaced by a random string, which gets replaced on the receiver side with an embedded subject from within the encrypted mail. Reason is, that a lot of users use a subject that tells a lot about the mail content, at least enough to let it be sorted in "interesting" or "junk".
As far as I know the subject is required by the mail server and is not part of the RFCs I read so far.
Whatever protonmail is - the base concept of encryption is implemented in kmail+pgpg and there can not be anything else to provide secure communication that is not part of this implementation.
regards
protonmail offers (extra cost) a vpn service, afaik, vpn secures the mail from man in the middle, ie. isp's, compromised routers, etc. Encryption leaks some info enroute making vpn neccessary, not an extra.
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On Sunday 29 April 2018 02:08:02 am deloptes wrote:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
But what I miss in kamil+PGPG is an encrypted mail-subject, e.g "Subject: [trinity-users] Re: more re. tde and qt5" beeing replaced by a random string, which gets replaced on the receiver side with an embedded subject from within the encrypted mail. Reason is, that a lot of users use a subject that tells a lot about the mail content, at least enough to let it be sorted in "interesting" or "junk".
As far as I know the subject is required by the mail server and is not part of the RFCs I read so far.
Whatever protonmail is - the base concept of encryption is implemented in kmail+pgpg and there can not be anything else to provide secure communication that is not part of this implementation.
regards
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Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb Greg Madden:
protonmail offers (extra cost) a vpn service, afaik, vpn secures the mail from man in the middle, ie. isp's, compromised routers, etc. Encryption leaks some info enroute making vpn neccessary, not an extra.
$.02 Greg Madden
Well, I'm not a friend of vpn services. On one hand, i's harder to mantain than ssh. On the other, it does not provide with any improvement over e.g. sshuttle. And on one foot, I do not trust vpn salestalk since it has bitten me more than once... (see, I have still one foot left for standing :-) )
Nik
On Sunday 29 April 2018 11:32:08 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb Greg Madden:
protonmail offers (extra cost) a vpn service, afaik, vpn secures the mail from man in the middle, ie. isp's, compromised routers, etc. Encryption leaks some info enroute making vpn neccessary, not an extra.
$.02 Greg Madden
Well, I'm not a friend of vpn services. On one hand, i's harder to mantain than ssh. On the other, it does not provide with any improvement over e.g. sshuttle. And on one foot, I do not trust vpn salestalk since it has bitten me more than once... (see, I have still one foot left for standing :-) )
Nik
I agree. VPN = snake oil. Maybe not always, but VPNs promise more than they can deliver. I trust more in the anonymity of Tor (and take my chances with rogue actors and man-in-the-middle attacks), than to suppose that privacy and security can be bought.
There also won't ever be some magic bullet or perfect solution; it will always be like cat-and-mouse. Encryption keeps getting better, and cracking tools also get better, and that's how it will be. I just hope for relative success, to leave few data traces "out there", but I don't imagine that I am invisible.
Bill
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb William Morder:
On Sunday 29 April 2018 11:32:08 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb Greg Madden:
protonmail offers (extra cost) a vpn service, afaik, vpn secures the mail from man in the middle, ie. isp's, compromised routers, etc. Encryption leaks some info enroute making vpn neccessary, not an extra.
$.02 Greg Madden
Well, I'm not a friend of vpn services. On one hand, i's harder to mantain than ssh. On the other, it does not provide with any improvement over e.g. sshuttle. And on one foot, I do not trust vpn salestalk since it has bitten me more than once... (see, I have still one foot left for standing :-) )
Nik
I agree. VPN = snake oil. Maybe not always, but VPNs promise more than they can deliver. I trust more in the anonymity of Tor (and take my chances with rogue actors and man-in-the-middle attacks), than to suppose that privacy and security can be bought.
There also won't ever be some magic bullet or perfect solution; it will always be like cat-and-mouse. Encryption keeps getting better, and cracking tools also get better, and that's how it will be. I just hope for relative success, to leave few data traces "out there", but I don't imagine that I am invisible.
Bill
You know what's the funniest part of all of this? Realy bad guys don't use encryption at all - and get away with it.
Nik
On Sunday 29 April 2018 14:34:09 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb William Morder:
On Sunday 29 April 2018 11:32:08 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb Greg Madden:
protonmail offers (extra cost) a vpn service, afaik, vpn secures the mail from man in the middle, ie. isp's, compromised routers, etc. Encryption leaks some info enroute making vpn neccessary, not an extra.
$.02 Greg Madden
Well, I'm not a friend of vpn services. On one hand, i's harder to mantain than ssh. On the other, it does not provide with any improvement over e.g. sshuttle. And on one foot, I do not trust vpn salestalk since it has bitten me more than once... (see, I have still one foot left for standing :-) )
Nik
I agree. VPN = snake oil. Maybe not always, but VPNs promise more than they can deliver. I trust more in the anonymity of Tor (and take my chances with rogue actors and man-in-the-middle attacks), than to suppose that privacy and security can be bought.
There also won't ever be some magic bullet or perfect solution; it will always be like cat-and-mouse. Encryption keeps getting better, and cracking tools also get better, and that's how it will be. I just hope for relative success, to leave few data traces "out there", but I don't imagine that I am invisible.
Bill
You know what's the funniest part of all of this? Realy bad guys don't use encryption at all - and get away with it.
Nik
If you work for the government, or wear a badge, there is no need to hide what you do to bad guys, as long as you are doing it to the "right" bad guys, and not to the "wrong" bad guys.
It's hard for me to tell them all apart, so mostly I just hide under my rock.
Bill
On Sunday 29 April 2018 02:46:20 deloptes wrote:
dep wrote:
it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail service, not a mail client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing is, access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing called protonmail bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local machine before sending it, and decrypts it upon receipt, allowing more traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through protonmail. there is currently a beta, available only from protonmail, of the bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to install, so i can continue to use kmail, as i have for nearly two decades.
part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp a week ago, wherein they announced that they would be combing through my email, pictures, and everything else in search of things useful to them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found this unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work with kmail.
In my opinion the PGPG support in KMail is pretty sufficient to enable secure communication with any recipient.
If you don't mind all the TLA's reading it. I still think that a backdoor or a universal key in it was the price of letting Phil out of jail.
TANSTAAFL, there is no way to bypass it.
So if I was ever to use pgp and assume it was good, it would be built from version 2.62a, published before he was arrested. And I have no idea where I could obtain a copy of that src to build it now since the boot drive in my amiga 2000 died and took the os with it.
Why would you bother paying for something you already have?
What pgp we have today, the NSA can read in 5 seconds. They have said as much.
I ask myself if you clearly understand the concept of encrypted mails?
I think I do. :)
regards
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