Hi
I just saw from the screenshot taken by James Downing that his control center is very different from mine (Kubuntu 10.04 or 13.04). Mine looks more that the one provided by Apple OS X. So I am puzzled: I thought: trinity is trinity?
regards
Uwe Brauer
Hi
I just saw from the screenshot taken by James Downing that his control center is very different from mine (Kubuntu 10.04 or 13.04). Mine looks more that the one provided by Apple OS X. So I am puzzled: I thought: trinity is trinity?
regards
Uwe Brauer
Yes, in TDE there is 2 ''Control Centers'': -The Macintosh-like program, usually called ''System Settings'' -The classic one, called ''TDE Control Center''
If ''System Settings'' is installed, as it is most of the time on Kubuntu-based systems, the 2 are available.
KDE4 has a much more intelligent approach on this: The 2 programs has been merged in one, and you can select from a drop-menu the one you prefer.
-Alexandre
On Wednesday 12 February 2014 13:33:59 Alexandre wrote:
Hi
I just saw from the screenshot taken by James Downing that his control center is very different from mine (Kubuntu 10.04 or 13.04). Mine looks more that the one provided by Apple OS X. So I am puzzled: I thought: trinity is trinity?
regards
Uwe Brauer
Yes, in TDE there is 2 ''Control Centers'': -The Macintosh-like program, usually called ''System Settings'' -The classic one, called ''TDE Control Center''
No, in Kubuntu there are 2 etc. In TDE on Debian there is only one, KControl-trinity.
If ''System Settings'' is installed, as it is most of the time on Kubuntu-based systems, the 2 are available.
KDE4 has a much more intelligent approach on this: The 2 programs has been merged in one, and you can select from a drop-menu the one you prefer.
No, it is not "more intelligent", it is more bloated.
Alexandre, we know that you like KDE4 and would like TDE to be more like it. You should know by now that many of us don't agree.
We all, you included, could use KDE4 if we liked. We have chosen TDE. Do, please, stop trying to drag TDE into the "modern" realms of bloat and bling. Bloat and bling are readily available elsewhere. Do let us have our comfortable, functioning, backwater.
Lisi
Yes, in TDE there is 2 ''Control Centers'': -The Macintosh-like program, usually called ''System Settings'' -The classic one, called ''TDE Control Center''
No, in Kubuntu there are 2 etc. In TDE on Debian there is only one, KControl-trinity.
I'd be very surprised that this package is not available as part of TDE on Debian, but you wouldn't say it if you weren't sure... I won't disagree on this, I never use Debian.
If ''System Settings'' is installed, as it is most of the time on Kubuntu-based systems, the 2 are available.
KDE4 has a much more intelligent approach on this: The 2 programs has been merged in one, and you can select from a drop-menu the one you prefer.
No, it is not "more intelligent", it is more bloated.
Alexandre, we know that you like KDE4 and would like TDE to be more like it. You should know by now that many of us don't agree.
We all, you included, could use KDE4 if we liked. We have chosen TDE. Do, please, stop trying to drag TDE into the "modern" realms of bloat and bling. Bloat and bling are readily available elsewhere. Do let us have our comfortable, functioning, backwater.
Lisi
It is much more simple to have 1 icon to get access to the control center, instead of 2. On some installs of TDE, the 2 control centers are installed, but you don't even know which one will start when you click on its icon. On KDE 4, you can switch between the 2 presentations modes as much as you like it, and you don't have to check out which icon is the right one. I can say on this that I prefer the old-fashioned Control Center.
-Alexandre
It is much more simple to have 1 icon to get access to the control center, instead of 2. On some installs of TDE, the 2 control centers are installed, but you don't even know which one will start when you click on its icon. On KDE 4, you can switch between the 2 presentations modes as much as you like it, and you don't have to check out which icon is the right one. I can say on this that I prefer the old-fashioned Control Center.
-Alexandre
I agree with Alexandre on this one. Hope r14 is coming soon
said Tony Wolfs: | > It is much more simple to have 1 icon to get access to the control | > center, instead of 2. On some installs of TDE, the 2 control centers | > are installed, but you don't even know which one will start when you | > click on its icon. On KDE 4, you can switch between the 2 | > presentations modes as much as you like it, and you don't have to | > check out which icon is the right one. | > I can say on this that I prefer the old-fashioned Control Center. | > | > -Alexandre | | I agree with Alexandre on this one. | Hope r14 is coming soon
then hit alt-f2 and type "kcontrol" and hit enter.
On Thursday 13 of February 2014 00:25:47 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 12 February 2014 13:33:59 Alexandre wrote:
Hi
I just saw from the screenshot taken by James Downing that his control center is very different from mine (Kubuntu 10.04 or 13.04). Mine looks more that the one provided by Apple OS X. So I am puzzled: I thought: trinity is trinity?
regards
Uwe Brauer
Yes, in TDE there is 2 ''Control Centers'': -The Macintosh-like program, usually called ''System Settings'' -The classic one, called ''TDE Control Center''
No, in Kubuntu there are 2 etc. In TDE on Debian there is only one, KControl-trinity.
If ''System Settings'' is installed, as it is most of the time on Kubuntu-based systems, the 2 are available.
KDE4 has a much more intelligent approach on this: The 2 programs has been merged in one, and you can select from a drop-menu the one you prefer.
No, it is not "more intelligent", it is more bloated.
Alexandre, we know that you like KDE4 and would like TDE to be more like it. You should know by now that many of us don't agree.
We all, you included, could use KDE4 if we liked. We have chosen TDE. Do, please, stop trying to drag TDE into the "modern" realms of bloat and bling. Bloat and bling are readily available elsewhere. Do let us have our comfortable, functioning, backwater.
Lisi
Here I have to defend Alexandre.
I do not suppose Alexandre still trying to convince us the benefit of KDE4. Alexandre simply likes shiny appearance, which has for example KDE4. Although I personally prefer the sober classic look, I'm glad for Alexander's efforts. For others, it says: "Do you wish classic desktop environment, but with the shiny appearance? Trinity is there for all - even for you!"
By the way, also in Debian is available package kde-systemsettings-trinity / tde-systemsettings-trinity that contain alternative "modern" control center. It is only our choice, which one we prefer.
Slavek --
On Thursday 13 February 2014 02:06:06 Slávek Banko wrote:
By the way, also in Debian is available package kde-systemsettings-trinity / tde-systemsettings-trinity that contain alternative "modern" control center. It is only our choice, which one we prefer.
But not by default. KControl is there by default. One of the strengths of Debian is the fact that there is so much software you can install if you want. There is even a compiz-core-trinity package, and a lot of others to go with it, for those who like bling.
I do not suppose Alexandre still trying to convince us the benefit of KDE4. Alexandre simply likes shiny appearance, which has for example KDE4. Although I personally prefer the sober classic look, I'm glad for Alexander's efforts. For others, it says: "Do you wish classic desktop environment, but with the shiny appearance? Trinity is there for all - even for you!"
I stand outvoted. I feel constantly threatened by this "modern" bloat and bling, which Alexandre seems to love and to want to impose. And I still do not accept that KDE4 is "more intelligent" than TDE in any way that I can think of.
If we get those new wallpapers, can we delete some others, rather than increase the number? Maybe delete twice as many as we add? I would be in favour then! There is always the "get new wallpapers" button. I agree that most of the wallpapers that are there by default, are pretty awful.
Lisi
On Thursday 13 of February 2014 10:25:35 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 13 February 2014 02:06:06 Slávek Banko wrote:
By the way, also in Debian is available package kde-systemsettings-trinity / tde-systemsettings-trinity that contain alternative "modern" control center. It is only our choice, which one we prefer.
But not by default. KControl is there by default. One of the strengths of Debian is the fact that there is so much software you can install if you want. There is even a compiz-core-trinity package, and a lot of others to go with it, for those who like bling.
I do not suppose Alexandre still trying to convince us the benefit of KDE4. Alexandre simply likes shiny appearance, which has for example KDE4. Although I personally prefer the sober classic look, I'm glad for Alexander's efforts. For others, it says: "Do you wish classic desktop environment, but with the shiny appearance? Trinity is there for all - even for you!"
I stand outvoted. I feel constantly threatened by this "modern" bloat and bling, which Alexandre seems to love and to want to impose. And I still do not accept that KDE4 is "more intelligent" than TDE in any way that I can think of.
If we get those new wallpapers, can we delete some others, rather than increase the number? Maybe delete twice as many as we add? I would be in favour then! There is always the "get new wallpapers" button. I agree that most of the wallpapers that are there by default, are pretty awful.
Lisi
No need to worry. I'm also not a fan of shiny appearance. For example, compiz is for me totally useless thing. So I will take care to preserve the sober classic look.
That you're reminded "get new wallpapers" is a very good idea! Linked to this is that we probably had for these downloads establish own source independent from KDE sources.
A comprehensive theme of shiny appearance could possibly be as a separate package. To those who want it, would then be able to simply install a shiny theme package.
Slavek --
I did not send a screenshot.
For the record, I am currently running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.
KDE4 is so intelligent, I can't use it. That is one reason I prefer trinity.
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Uwe Brauer oub.oub.oub@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
I just saw from the screenshot taken by James Downing that his control center is very different from mine (Kubuntu 10.04 or 13.04). Mine looks more that the one provided by Apple OS X. So I am puzzled: I thought: trinity is trinity?
regards
Uwe Brauer
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Uwe Brauer oub.oub.oub@gmail.com wrote:
On 02/12/2014 03:09 PM, James Downing wrote:
I did not send a screenshot.
Sorry this was Curt Howland. My bad
If my screenshots didn't go through, it might be that attachments are blocked by the mailing list. Sorry.
On Wednesday 12 February 2014 19:12:08 Curt Howland wrote:
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Uwe Brauer oub.oub.oub@gmail.com
wrote:
On 02/12/2014 03:09 PM, James Downing wrote:
I did not send a screenshot.
Sorry this was Curt Howland. My bad
If my screenshots didn't go through, it might be that attachments are blocked by the mailing list. Sorry.
*Your* screenshots did go through. James didn't send any.
Lisi
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