I made these comments in response to a different topic and suspect they were overlooked as a result. Hence, another attempt. On a Fedora 37 system with KDE (5) working, I installed TDE. All of it except the applications.
Having KDE 5 installed before installing TDE seems to have resulted in some confusion. The DE startup splash screen, for example, says it is starting Plasma by KDE. Once started, it does appear to actually be TDE.
But some parts of TDE don't work as expected. For example, the TDE Control Center doesn't start if selected from the start menu. Nothing at all happens. Starting kcontrol from a shell does start what appears to be the program but nothing in it works. On exit, the shell reports, "WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found | Defaulting to Settings/".
Is this sort of installation expected to work? Would it have been better to start with a fresh install?
On Thursday 09 Mar 2023 21:21:58 Dave Close via tde-users wrote:
I made these comments in response to a different topic and suspect they were overlooked as a result. Hence, another attempt. On a Fedora 37 system with KDE (5) working, I installed TDE. All of it except the applications.
Having KDE 5 installed before installing TDE seems to have resulted in some confusion. The DE startup splash screen, for example, says it is starting Plasma by KDE. Once started, it does appear to actually be TDE.
But some parts of TDE don't work as expected. For example, the TDE Control Center doesn't start if selected from the start menu. Nothing at all happens. Starting kcontrol from a shell does start what appears to be the program but nothing in it works. On exit, the shell reports, "WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found | Defaulting to Settings/".
Is this sort of installation expected to work? Would it have been better to start with a fresh install?
I am using TDE installed after KDE-4 all the time, and I love it. I can get the best of both worlds, using KDE-4 apps in TDE when I prefer them to the Trinity versions, and using the Trinity versions when I prefer them. However this is an old system, installed around March 2017, with Trinity installed over a late Debian Jessie system that came with KDE-4. I installed TDM, so that is what I log in with. I actually work in TDE all the time, unless I have to use one of two programs that used not to work in Trinity. I just started one of those programs, Geomview, in Trinity just now, and to my surprise, it opened some windows. So perhaps I might even be able to use that in Trinity now. Regards, Chris
On Friday 10 March 2023 03:23:18 pm Chris Austin via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 09 Mar 2023 21:21:58 Dave Close via tde-users wrote:
I made these comments in response to a different topic and suspect they were overlooked as a result. Hence, another attempt. On a Fedora 37 system with KDE (5) working, I installed TDE. All of it except the applications.
Hi Dave,
AFAIK all of TDE has been re-named so that it does not interfere with, or is interfered by, KDE. Slávek would have the definitive answer.
I’m going to guess that not installing all of TDE caused the odd behavior. I would try creating a live USB (Fedora 37 w/ KDE5) and then install all of TDE to it for testing.
Having KDE 5 installed before installing TDE seems to have resulted in some confusion. The DE startup splash screen, for example, says it is starting Plasma by KDE. Once started, it does appear to actually be TDE.
That would be normal until you re-configure the startup splash screen from using KDE to using TDE's [login manager?] (I don't know the actual name of that).
But some parts of TDE don't work as expected. For example, the TDE Control Center doesn't start if selected from the start menu. Nothing at all happens. Starting kcontrol from a shell does start what appears to be the program but nothing in it works. On exit, the shell reports, "WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found | Defaulting to Settings/".
Is this sort of installation expected to work? Would it have been better to start with a fresh install?
I am using TDE installed after KDE-4 all the time, and I love it. I can get the best of both worlds, using KDE-4 apps in TDE when I prefer them to the Trinity versions, and using the Trinity versions when I prefer them. However this is an old system, installed around March 2017, with Trinity installed over a late Debian Jessie system that came with KDE-4. I installed TDM, so that is what I log in with. I actually work in TDE all the time, unless I have to use one of two programs that used not to work in Trinity. I just started one of those programs, Geomview, in Trinity just now, and to my surprise, it opened some windows. So perhaps I might even be able to use that in Trinity now.
I've done this in the past as well. I do remember that a few programs would only not cause problems if the were run in a different Desktop (which I thought was weird, but 'eh, it worked).
Best, Michael
On 3/10/23 8:04 PM, Michael via tde-users wrote:
AFAIK all of TDE has been re-named so that it does not interfere with, or is interfered by, KDE. Slávek would have the definitive answer.
What does that mean? All conflicting binary and lib names have been renamed? TDE can be installed in /usr along with KDE and other normal DEs? Or TDE remains relegated to /opt purgatory?
On 2023-03-10 20:08:37 Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
On 3/10/23 8:04 PM, Michael via tde-users wrote:
AFAIK all of TDE has been re-named so that it does not interfere with, or is interfered by, KDE. Slávek would have the definitive answer.
What does that mean? All conflicting binary and lib names have been renamed? TDE can be installed in /usr along with KDE and other normal DEs? Or TDE remains relegated to /opt purgatory?
I'm not sure about KDE plasma, but when the KDE team replaced KDE3 with KDE4 they assumed that their users would immediately upgrade their KDE, so they used the same program or library names that KDE3 had been using, so that mixing programs or libraries from both KDEs caused a certain amount of chaos. The Trinity team has converted all of the Trinity component names to avoid collisions between KDE and TDE, but until they completed that migration it was not possible to have both KDE and TDE installed at the same time.
Leslie
On Saturday 11 of March 2023 03:08:37 Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
On 3/10/23 8:04 PM, Michael via tde-users wrote:
AFAIK all of TDE has been re-named so that it does not interfere with, or is interfered by, KDE. Slávek would have the definitive answer.
What does that mean? All conflicting binary and lib names have been renamed? TDE can be installed in /usr along with KDE and other normal DEs? Or TDE remains relegated to /opt purgatory? ____________________________________________________
Many libraries and several binaries have been renamed, but there are still many binaries that could cause conflicts in the event of installation in /usr/... so there is still a good idea to install TDE in a separate directory such as /opt /trinity/... The renaming of all other libraries and binaries is still a big topic that we will not avoid sooner or later. Because such extensive renaming, however, will not benefit existing users, but potentially only problems, it requires thorough planning and has a lower priority.
Cheers
On 2023-03-10 20:04:25 Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 10 March 2023 03:23:18 pm Chris Austin via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 09 Mar 2023 21:21:58 Dave Close via tde-users wrote:
I made these comments in response to a different topic and suspect they were overlooked as a result. Hence, another attempt. On a Fedora 37 system with KDE (5) working, I installed TDE. All of it except the applications.
Hi Dave,
AFAIK all of TDE has been re-named so that it does not interfere with, or is interfered by, KDE. Slávek would have the definitive answer.
I’m going to guess that not installing all of TDE caused the odd behavior. I would try creating a live USB (Fedora 37 w/ KDE5) and then install all of TDE to it for testing.
Having KDE 5 installed before installing TDE seems to have resulted in some confusion. The DE startup splash screen, for example, says it is starting Plasma by KDE. Once started, it does appear to actually be TDE.
That would be normal until you re-configure the startup splash screen from using KDE to using TDE's [login manager?] (I don't know the actual name of that).
Here's what my openSUSE system, which uses update-alternatives to switch between multiple applications, shows: | ~ | ● update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager | There are 5 choices for the alternative default-displaymanager (providing /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/default-displaymanager). | | Selection Path Priority Status | ------------------------------------------------------------ | * 0 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/tdm 30 auto mode | 1 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/console 5 manual mode | 2 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/gdm 25 manual mode | 3 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/lightdm 15 manual mode | 4 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/tdm 30 manual mode | 5 /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/xdm 10 manual mode | | Press <enter> to keep the current choice[*], or type selection number: | @22:14:55,root@pinto rc=0
Even if your system doesn't use update-alternatives, you should find a displaymanagers subdirectory somewhere in your system. Perhaps you'll have to look for "kdm" in your library directories?
Leslie
But some parts of TDE don't work as expected. For example, the TDE Control Center doesn't start if selected from the start menu. Nothing at all happens. Starting kcontrol from a shell does start what appears to be the program but nothing in it works. On exit, the shell reports, "WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found | Defaulting to Settings/".
Is this sort of installation expected to work? Would it have been better to start with a fresh install?
I am using TDE installed after KDE-4 all the time, and I love it. I can get the best of both worlds, using KDE-4 apps in TDE when I prefer them to the Trinity versions, and using the Trinity versions when I prefer them. However this is an old system, installed around March 2017, with Trinity installed over a late Debian Jessie system that came with KDE-4. I installed TDM, so that is what I log in with. I actually work in TDE all the time, unless I have to use one of two programs that used not to work in Trinity. I just started one of those programs, Geomview, in Trinity just now, and to my surprise, it opened some windows. So perhaps I might even be able to use that in Trinity now.
I've done this in the past as well. I do remember that a few programs would only not cause problems if the were run in a different Desktop (which I thought was weird, but 'eh, it worked).
Best, Michael
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