20 Oct
2019
20 Oct
'19
3:17 a.m.
On 10/19/19, deloptes <deloptes(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
causing
When you define a problem, you can also find a
solution - simply saying "I
don't like it" is not a problem definition.
I'm not gonna waste time rehashing why I don't want systemD. Went
through something similar when KDE4 came out and was told to get with
the programs and "upgrade". A new version is usually not an upgrade.
> I've been using Debian with sysv-init, but only because systemd was
problems and I
needed time to learn it. The concept of keeping systemd and
using init was a very good solution. I think I'll keep it on the server,
but for the desktop, I do not see a reason why you should not use systemd.
Yep and other people don't see why we don't use KDE5 or GNOME3 instead
of mate/cinnamon.
I guess you are also not driving a car from the
30ies.
Nope. I have 2 from the 80s though. Would have no problem with a car
that old. I might spent a bit more in gas, but my paid off vehicles
don't have a monthly payment & the insurance is cheaper. Always trade
offs.
Kinda like my almost 15 year old Thinkpad T60p. Does what I need and
has the 4x3 screen that makes it easier for me to get stuff done.
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20 Oct
5:19 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Advice for distro without systemD
On 10/19/19, BorgLabs - Kate Draven <borglabs4(a)gmail.com> wrote:
My reply is NOT intended to upset anyone.
It's not my place to tell others what to want or use.
To be honest, my biggest thing against systemD is I have better things
to do with my time than learn it and deal with it's issues. I didn't
like pusleaudio and saw no reason for it and it concerns me how much
feature creep systemD has. I don't do IT work for a living anymore
and just want to make use of my systems the way I want that works for
me the best. There are still many people using MacOS 9 on old PPC
hardware or Amigas, or pick your system.
I used to support a business that ran a 30 year old DOS program. I
gave the guy a dozen P3 Dells about 10 years ago and he paid me to
upgrade his old P2 stuff with them. Then I upgraded his server from
NT4 SP6 to Win2k on a Dual 1.4Ghz P3 server. It was a hell of a speed
boost for his network. But he didn't connect anything to the internet
so his thing was why pay thousands to "upgrade" when the program he
bought did everything he needed. Standardizing on a bunch of
identical Dells made my support easier for me.
Just answer the question, which is PCLOS Big Daddy
build by Alistair Izzard.
Not perfect but I can get everything I need done. Video/audio editing,
desktop publishing, internet, email and more. Very reliable, hasn't failed
me yet. Thanks Ali.
If someone else wants to use something else, wonderful. I look forward the
comparison and stories about it. Difference is wonderful.
Just answer the question, the why of this question belongs only to the one
asking.
Yep. It amazes my how people will ignore what you asked to try to
convince you that you are wrong.
For the record....
1974 Chevy Nova Coupe Hatchback RS
Thinkpad T60 with a WD SSD
nice. I have an 84 Olds Cutlass Supreme. And a 455 Olds sitting on
the engine stand waiting to be rebuilt. That's one of the things I
would rather spend my time on instead of learning something I don't
need to know.
5:50 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Advice for distro without systemD
On Saturday 19 October 2019 20:17:02 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
Agreed Larry.
My reply is NOT intended to upset anyone.
It's not my place to tell others what to want or use.
Just answer the question, which is PCLOS Big Daddy build by Alistair
Izzard. Not perfect but I can get everything I need done. Video/audio
editing, desktop publishing, internet, email and more. Very reliable,
hasn't failed me yet. Thanks Ali.
If someone else wants to use something else, wonderful. I look forward the
comparison and stories about it. Difference is wonderful.
Just answer the question, the why of this question belongs only to the one
asking.
For the record....
1974 Chevy Nova Coupe Hatchback RS
Thinkpad T60 with a WD SSD
Kate hopes off the soap box and mysteriously disappears to the mist.
I ride a bike (though not so often as I ought to do), don't have any kind of
motor vehicle, and build my computers out of spare parts.
If I could have got my old rotten Apple or Windoze systems to behave and do
what I wanted, I would probably have stuck with that, and never gone down
this rabbit hole. I am not such a purist, that I care to argue about this or
that; I only know what works best for me.
Bill
On 10/19/19,
deloptes <deloptes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
causing
When you define a problem, you can also find a
solution - simply saying
"I don't like it" is not a problem definition.
I'm not gonna waste time rehashing why I don't want systemD. Went
through something similar when KDE4 came out and was told to get with
the programs and "upgrade". A new version is usually not an upgrade.
> I've been using Debian with sysv-init, but only because systemd was problems
and I needed time to learn it. The concept of keeping systemd
and using init was a very good solution. I think I'll keep it on the
server, but for the desktop, I do not see a reason why you should not
use systemd.
Yep and other people don't see why we don't use KDE5 or GNOME3 instead
of mate/cinnamon.
I guess you are also not driving a car from the
30ies.
Nope. I have 2 from the 80s though. Would have no problem with a car
that old. I might spent a bit more in gas, but my paid off vehicles
don't have a monthly payment & the insurance is cheaper. Always trade
offs.
Kinda like my almost 15 year old Thinkpad T60p. Does what I need and
has the 4x3 screen that makes it easier for me to get stuff done.
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1:05 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Advice for distro without systemD
On Sunday, 20 October 2019, 04:18:00 BST, BorgLabs - Kate Draven
<borglabs4(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed
Larry.
My reply is NOT intended to upset anyone.
It's not my place to tell others what to want or use.
Just answer the question, which is PCLOS Big Daddy build by Alistair Izzard.
Not perfect but I can get everything I need done. Video/audio editing,
desktop publishing, internet, email and more. Very reliable, hasn't failed me
yet. Thanks Ali.
If someone else wants to use something else, wonderful. I look forward the
comparison and stories about it. Difference is wonderful.
Just answer the question, the why of this question belongs only to the one
asking.
For the record....
1974 Chevy Nova Coupe Hatchback RS
Thinkpad T60 with a WD SSD
Kate hopes off the soap box and mysteriously disappears to the mist.
Thank you for your kind words :) Yes I know it's not perfect, although I hope
withevery release it gets better :) I will be doing a round of ISO's soon (I now do
4).Trinity will be updated to latest, at this current time and that may change it's
Kernel 5.3.7 TDE 14.0.6. As I don't see any updates from Trinity itself as of yet,
I'll assume TDE will be the same. However I am going to make the larger ISO's I do
"Big Daddy TDE" and "openbox" more uniform in the software selection.
All come with Nvidia 430.5 OOTB (Obviously TDE will have TDE applications) but be more
uniform, if that make any sense :D oh I said I do 4 ISO's now, TDE BD obviously,
Openbox, Openbox-mini (it;s really naked) and Enlightenment :D all run on SysV init, no
systemD
For the record, build machine for TDE BD is a Fujitsu S751 second gen i5 machine all
intel. my daily driver is a DELL E7440 Lattitude and an HP M6 Envy .
Alistair Izzard
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On 10/19/19, deloptes <deloptes(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
causing
When you define a problem, you can also find a
solution - simply saying "I
don't like it" is not a problem definition.
I'm not gonna waste time rehashing why I don't want systemD. Went
through something similar when KDE4 came out and was told to get with
the programs and "upgrade". A new version is usually not an upgrade.
> I've been using Debian with sysv-init, but only because systemd was
problems and I
needed time to learn it. The concept of keeping systemd and
using init was a very good solution. I think I'll keep it on the server,
but for the desktop, I do not see a reason why you should not use systemd.
Yep and other people don't see why we don't use KDE5 or GNOME3 instead
of mate/cinnamon.
I guess you are also not driving a car from the
30ies.
Nope. I have 2 from the 80s though. Would have no problem with a car
that old. I might spent a bit more in gas, but my paid off vehicles
don't have a monthly payment & the insurance is cheaper. Always trade
offs.
Kinda like my almost 15 year old Thinkpad T60p. Does what I need and
has the 4x3 screen that makes it easier for me to get stuff done.
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