Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
On Saturday 18 April 2020 17.25:57 Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
I use TDE on Debian and OpenSuSE, and I have never installed sudo. As far as I remember it worked on Ubuntu as well without sudo (as soon as I had told Ubuntu not to use sudo as well). What's your distribution?
Thierry
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On 18/04/2020 16:33, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Saturday 18 April 2020 17.25:57 Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
I use TDE on Debian and OpenSuSE, and I have never installed sudo. As far as I remember it worked on Ubuntu as well without sudo (as soon as I had told Ubuntu not to use sudo as well). What's your distribution?
Thierry
I'm using Devuan (armhf). sudo and sudo-trinity don't seem to 'hold'.
Need to do some more digging I guess. It might be my system (Toshiba AC100) which has had some troubles of late.
On 18/04/2020 16:40, Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
On 18/04/2020 16:33, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Saturday 18 April 2020 17.25:57 Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
I use TDE on Debian and OpenSuSE, and I have never installed sudo. As far as I remember it worked on Ubuntu as well without sudo (as soon as I had told Ubuntu not to use sudo as well). What's your distribution?
Thierry
I'm using Devuan (armhf). sudo and sudo-trinity don't seem to 'hold'.
Need to do some more digging I guess. It might be my system (Toshiba AC100) which has had some troubles of late.
It appears my 'apt-mark hold <package>' commands are wiping out my previous holds.
I still suspect that 'aptitude install tde-trinity' is not going to like it when I get this 'hold' problem sorted. I must say, in the past, I have never had to install sudo (and sudo-trinity etc).
On 04/18/2020 10:25 AM, Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
In the long-ago past there were issues when using sudo with KDE(TDE) and a workaround that allowed you to configure the desktop apps to use su instead of sudo when administrator rights were needed. In my old notes I have:
Kdesu now again defaults to using su instead of sudo because of various problems with using sudo there. You can change the default back to sudo using
kwriteconfig --file kdesurc --group super-user-command --key super-user-command sudo
(or you can change from sudo to su by changing the --key super-user-command su)
If you are having problems with sudo, this is something to check. I don't know what the default is for TDE or whether this was ever a patch incorporated in TDE or if it was just an openSUSE patch of KDE3 -- Slavek will know :)
(not intentionally throwing Slavek under the bus...)
On 19/04/2020 02:36, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 04/18/2020 10:25 AM, Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
In the long-ago past there were issues when using sudo with KDE(TDE) and a workaround that allowed you to configure the desktop apps to use su instead of sudo when administrator rights were needed. In my old notes I have:
Kdesu now again defaults to using su instead of sudo because of various problems with using sudo there. You can change the default back to sudo using
kwriteconfig --file kdesurc --group super-user-command --key super-user-command sudo
(or you can change from sudo to su by changing the --key super-user-command su)
If you are having problems with sudo, this is something to check. I don't know what the default is for TDE or whether this was ever a patch incorporated in TDE or if it was just an openSUSE patch of KDE3 -- Slavek will know :)
(not intentionally throwing Slavek under the bus...)
Thanks for that info. I've never used sudo and dont want to now. The problem is, the TDE install is attempting to force it upon me :)
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
There are two ways IMO. First install without the meta packages Second install via the meta package and remove what you do not want.
Third option I never tried, but people report that you can omit sudo while keep sudo-trinity.
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On 19/04/2020 07:29, deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
There are two ways IMO. First install without the meta packages Second install via the meta package and remove what you do not want.
Third option I never tried, but people report that you can omit sudo while keep sudo-trinity.
I have no problem with option 1, just need to know the best order and what to install for a basic system. I could of course just plod through but if somebody has the info, great.
Don't like option two as there are shed loads of packages that get installed by default.
Third option would work but still get sudo variants like sudo-ldap, sudo-trinity ....... so a no go.
So, as previously said, if somebody can point me at the order/list of packages to install?
Oh for the good old days. Actually, they're not that old cos I've never had this issue in the past and it ain't that long since I did a fresh install of TDE.
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
On 19/04/2020 07:29, deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
There are two ways IMO. First install without the meta packages Second install via the meta package and remove what you do not want.
Third option I never tried, but people report that you can omit sudo while keep sudo-trinity.
I have no problem with option 1, just need to know the best order and what to install for a basic system. I could of course just plod through but if somebody has the info, great.
Don't like option two as there are shed loads of packages that get installed by default.
Third option would work but still get sudo variants like sudo-ldap, sudo-trinity ....... so a no go.
So, as previously said, if somebody can point me at the order/list of packages to install?
Oh for the good old days. Actually, they're not that old cos I've never had this issue in the past and it ain't that long since I did a fresh install of TDE.
Seems that this commit added the sudo dependency
commit 598dd003cf7926d87db817e29df47cbf195f936b Author: Timothy Pearson kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net Date: Thu Feb 21 00:08:21 2019 -0600
Add sudo to dependencies for LDAP bonding / controller packages
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On Sunday 19 of April 2020 11:25:17 deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
On 19/04/2020 07:29, deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
There are two ways IMO. First install without the meta packages Second install via the meta package and remove what you do not want.
Third option I never tried, but people report that you can omit sudo while keep sudo-trinity.
I have no problem with option 1, just need to know the best order and what to install for a basic system. I could of course just plod through but if somebody has the info, great.
Don't like option two as there are shed loads of packages that get installed by default.
Third option would work but still get sudo variants like sudo-ldap, sudo-trinity ....... so a no go.
So, as previously said, if somebody can point me at the order/list of packages to install?
Oh for the good old days. Actually, they're not that old cos I've never had this issue in the past and it ain't that long since I did a fresh install of TDE.
Seems that this commit added the sudo dependency
commit 598dd003cf7926d87db817e29df47cbf195f936b Author: Timothy Pearson kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net Date: Thu Feb 21 00:08:21 2019 -0600
Add sudo to dependencies for LDAP bonding / controller packages
No, 598dd003cf is not related commit - it affect only kcmldap packages.
It seems, that sudo-trinity dependency is here already from initial import of meta-tde package. See:
commit 480df2e321c2518991b2d35957ab2b01580b2536 Author: Timothy Pearson kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net Date: Sun Nov 25 15:24:35 2012 -0600
Add Debian metapackage and move the Kubuntu metapackage to the correct location
In any case, now is good time to change it.
Cheers
On 19/04/2020 11:03, Slávek Banko wrote:
On Sunday 19 of April 2020 11:25:17 deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
On 19/04/2020 07:29, deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
There are two ways IMO. First install without the meta packages Second install via the meta package and remove what you do not want.
Third option I never tried, but people report that you can omit sudo while keep sudo-trinity.
I have no problem with option 1, just need to know the best order and what to install for a basic system. I could of course just plod through but if somebody has the info, great.
Don't like option two as there are shed loads of packages that get installed by default.
Third option would work but still get sudo variants like sudo-ldap, sudo-trinity ....... so a no go.
So, as previously said, if somebody can point me at the order/list of packages to install?
Oh for the good old days. Actually, they're not that old cos I've never had this issue in the past and it ain't that long since I did a fresh install of TDE.
Seems that this commit added the sudo dependency
commit 598dd003cf7926d87db817e29df47cbf195f936b Author: Timothy Pearson kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net Date: Thu Feb 21 00:08:21 2019 -0600
Add sudo to dependencies for LDAP bonding / controller packagesNo, 598dd003cf is not related commit - it affect only kcmldap packages.
It seems, that sudo-trinity dependency is here already from initial import of meta-tde package. See:
commit 480df2e321c2518991b2d35957ab2b01580b2536 Author: Timothy Pearson kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net Date: Sun Nov 25 15:24:35 2012 -0600
Add Debian metapackage and move the Kubuntu metapackage to the correctlocation
Interesting. I musn't have used a metapackage install in the past then. I do still have some quite old installs lying around, I'll have to look see if sudo snuck up on me :)
In any case, now is good time to change it.
Cool.
Cheers,
On 19/04/2020 10:25, deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
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I have no problem with option 1, just need to know the best order and what to install for a basic system. I could of course just plod through but if somebody has the info, great.
Don't like option two as there are shed loads of packages that get installed by default.
Third option would work but still get sudo variants like sudo-ldap, sudo-trinity ....... so a no go.
So, as previously said, if somebody can point me at the order/list of packages to install?
Oh for the good old days. Actually, they're not that old cos I've never had this issue in the past and it ain't that long since I did a fresh install of TDE.
Seems that this commit added the sudo dependency
commit 598dd003cf7926d87db817e29df47cbf195f936b Author: Timothy Pearson kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net Date: Thu Feb 21 00:08:21 2019 -0600
Add sudo to dependencies for LDAP bonding / controller packages
A year ago. Time flys.
I know practically nothing about git but doesn't that commit only apply to kcontrol-ldap-*-trinity packages? Anyway, I need to just get to the labourious task of individually installing packages, or not, as the case may be, afterall, I don't acually need to have TDE.
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:00:48 +0100 "Michael Howard via trinity-users" trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
On 19/04/2020 07:29, deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
There are two ways IMO. First install without the meta packages Second install via the meta package and remove what you do not want.
Third option I never tried, but people report that you can omit sudo while keep sudo-trinity.
I have no problem with option 1, just need to know the best order and what to install for a basic system. I could of course just plod through but if somebody has the info, great.
Package nomenclature will be different for your distro, but to get a functional desktop, you'll need tqt, tqt-interface, tdelibs, and then the individual tdebase packages:
drkonqi kappfinder kate kcheckpass kcminit kcontrol kdcop kdesktop kdialog kfind khelpcenter khotkeys kicker klipper kmenuedit knetattach konqueror konsole kpager kpersonalizer kreadconfig krootbacking ksmserver ksplashml kstart ksysguard ksystraycmd ktip kxkb libkonq nsplugins tdebase-data tdebase-starttde tdebase-tdeioslaves tdedebugdialog tdeeject tdeinit tdepasswd tdeprint tdescreensaver tdesu tdm tqt3integration twin
Most of the tdebase packages depend on tdelibs, but not on each other. konqueror depends on libkonq. kcontrol, khelpcenter, and I think two or three more do depend on other tdebase packages, so dump those to the end of the list as you find them.
Hope that helps.
E. Liddell
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On 19/04/2020 17:16, E. Liddell wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:00:48 +0100 "Michael Howard via trinity-users" trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
On 19/04/2020 07:29, deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
There are two ways IMO. First install without the meta packages Second install via the meta package and remove what you do not want.
Third option I never tried, but people report that you can omit sudo while keep sudo-trinity.
I have no problem with option 1, just need to know the best order and what to install for a basic system. I could of course just plod through but if somebody has the info, great.
Package nomenclature will be different for your distro, but to get a functional desktop, you'll need tqt, tqt-interface, tdelibs, and then the individual tdebase packages:
drkonqi kappfinder kate kcheckpass kcminit kcontrol kdcop kdesktop kdialog kfind khelpcenter khotkeys kicker klipper kmenuedit knetattach konqueror konsole kpager kpersonalizer kreadconfig krootbacking ksmserver ksplashml kstart ksysguard ksystraycmd ktip kxkb libkonq nsplugins tdebase-data tdebase-starttde tdebase-tdeioslaves tdedebugdialog tdeeject tdeinit tdepasswd tdeprint tdescreensaver tdesu tdm tqt3integration twin
Most of the tdebase packages depend on tdelibs, but not on each other. konqueror depends on libkonq. kcontrol, khelpcenter, and I think two or three more do depend on other tdebase packages, so dump those to the end of the list as you find them.
Hope that helps.
E. Liddell
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That's fantastic, thanks.
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