tde-devels November 2011

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Icon Activation Effects
by Darrell Anderson 19 Nov '11

19 Nov '11

I recall there being three different places to configure icon activation effects. I can only find one, in the panel. Where are the other two? I'm sure I'm looking right at them but just don't see them. :) Thanks. Darrell

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Fedora experience
by Peter Lemken 19 Nov '11

19 Nov '11

Howdy, first of all thank you all for keeping KDE3 alive and kicking and for providing packages for the various distributions. I finally got too fed up with Mandriva and was looking for a better alternative. OpenSuSE 12.1 is really great, but, alas, there are no trinity packages available, yet. Having seen the F15 and 16 packages I played with that. 3 days ago there was no F16 yet, so I downloaded the TDELIVEF15.iso and share my experience, which unfortunately goes for yesterday's release of the F16 live CD: The CD is severely broken in many ways: * Both CDs cannot launch the live installer from the desktop. It is therefore necessary to open a terminal, allow root to use the X-server by xhost + and start /usr/bin/liveinst manually. * The setup cannot be completed, because the default runlevel is 3. One needs to log in as root and start init 5 to get to the window manager. * TDE does not recognize one's old settings from a previous installation of KDE3. I have linked .kde3 to .kde in hy /home and I wonder whee those settings used to resid, or has TDE wiped my .kde? Not good. * The F15 CD cannot even log into the display manager at all. It is missing a critical package: for PAM, some gnome package. * The F15 CD misses the critical step of adding a regular user. I needed to manually adduser. * I can't get compiz to work at all, no matter what window decorator I use, neither gtk nor KDE4 works. I wish you would add the older compiz 8.6 to trinity, together with kde3-window-decorator. * Laptop management is totally broken. The ACPI-helper setup uses an Ubuntu/Debian specific command, which simply doesn't work on any other distribution. dpkg-stat-override can't possibly work on Fedora. Currently I need to manually put the machine to sleep. Also, /proc/acpi/sleep is deprecated in recent kernels. Please find a way to use KLaptop for SuspendToRAM * Trinity misses a working NetworkManager applet. I currently use nm-applet, but I can't make it reside in my system tray. Having said all that, I am really relieved to finally have an up to date distribution with my beloved KDE3 and I'd again like to thank you all for the great work!

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Proposed new applications page for the web site
by Darrell Anderson 19 Nov '11

19 Nov '11

Regarding the proposed new Applications page for the web site, providing descriptions of all apps in the Trinity repository, please suggest to me a programmatic way to: Extract the T-Menu layout to an outline format. Grep through my local SVN tree to extract app descriptions. (Where is this information likely to be?) Thanks! Darrell

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TDE Usage Testing
by Darrell Anderson 19 Nov '11

19 Nov '11

I missed quite a bit of the action around here the past many months and am behind the times in many ways. Today I was reviewing a TDE xsession log and saw several things I know nothing about. I don't know if these are bugs or normal messages. I started X/TDE from the command line as a non-root user in a virtual machine. ================================================ TDE, especially kdeinit, fills the log with many messages. I don't recall that in KDE3. Is this by design now? Is there a way to disable most of the messages? The messages will prove useful with troubleshooting, but I'm asking nonetheless. ================================================ reading '/home/users/tester/.kompmgr.pid' as kompmgr pidfile ================================================ I recall that TDE has some kind of compositing engine now. I presume this message is related. Yet I don't see anything in Control Center to manage any compositor. Seems if I don't have any such feature enabled I should not see messages for pid files. Where do I find the options for this compositor? ================================================ kdeinit: Shutting down running client. kdeinit: Killing kdeinit/klauncher. kdeinit: Launched DCOPServer, pid = 2155 result = 0 --------------------------------- It looks like dcopserver is already running. If you are sure that it is not already running, remove /home/users/tester/.DCOPserver_hairy__0 and start dcopserver again. --------------------------------- ================================================ As I am starting my TDE for the first time today, with no saved session, what client is running and needs to be killed? Also, as I have no $HOME/.DCOPserver* files and I know that TDE is not already running, why do I receive that message? ================================================ Cannot connect socket '/var/run/xdmctl/dmctl-:0/socket'. ================================================ Is this an informational or error message? I'm guessing the latter because that directory has root:root 755 permissions. What is trying to connect to that socket. How do I fix? ================================================ xrdb: colon missing on line 359, ignoring line ================================================ Is this from TDE? ================================================ Could not load library! Trying exec.... ================================================ I see this message several times but can't tell what might cause this directly. The message is from kdelibs/kinit/kinit.cpp. ================================================ trying to create local folder /opt/trinity/share/config/kicc: Permission denied trying to create local folder /opt/trinity/share/config/kdisplay: Permission denied ================================================ Local folders are stored in $HOME, not /opt/trinity. These messages were generated when I was browsing the Control Center. Why are these config files being created in /opt/trinity rather than $HOME/.trinity? ================================================ QLayout "unnamed" added to QFrame "unnamed", which already has a layout QLayout "unnamed" added to QFrame "unnamed", which already has a layout QLayout "unnamed" added to QFrame "unnamed", which already has a layout ================================================ What might be causing this? Thanks! Darrell

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Documentation on kio slaves
by Laurent Dard 19 Nov '11

19 Nov '11

I found bad links here: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/DeveloperTutorial… * removed: http://www.heise.de/ct/english/01/05/242/ * not free as in beer: http://www.heise.de/artikel-archiv/ct/2001/05/242 * empty: http://techbase.kde.org/Documentation/design/kde/ioslaves/index.html Do you know what should I read before attempting to implement a kio slave for trinity? (I'm looking for xz & lzma support in konqueror. see http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=611) -- Laurent Dard

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Kickoff patches
by Calvin Morrison 18 Nov '11

18 Nov '11

Hey all, For some time I have been working on Kickoff (the alternate panel under Kicker). I have resolved a few problems and have created a patch to fix up the problems. It closes at least bug 508 and 281 First of all, KNewButton is a terrible and bloated implementation of the KButton class, with animations that didn't work or do anything really. it does however have things that are required for the kickoff menu. So I stripped all the crap out of KNewButton and got it to work with the same settings that the regular kbutton does. This also fixes a bug with transparency that wasn't reported. Also I fixed the problem with the "computer" tab that was causing a endless loop. Once the tree unfreezes I plan on working on kickoff further. Calvin Morrison

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Challenge
by Timothy Pearson 18 Nov '11

18 Nov '11

All, Given what has been happening lately with respect to KDE4, and the media incorrectly attempting to portray us as directly competing with KDE4, and there only on reliability and direct feature-set parity, I have a challenge for you: Write a few sentences stating what you like about TDE most. Leave KDE4 and other desktop environments completely out of the picture (no direct comparisons), and focus on the strengths of this particular desktop environment. Mentioning the general theme of your work (i.e. engineering, software development, sales, etc.) isn't a bad idea either; this would help us gather some demographics on who uses TDE vs who uses other desktops. I am also interested in the other side of the coin: What do you hate about TDE the most? If other people agree the results could become the basis of some new enhancement requests, helping to make TDE better overall. Send in your responses to this list. If we like something you say, it may be featured on the website sometime soon! Tim

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FAQ DRAFT (trinity.etherpad)
by Patrick Serru 17 Nov '11

17 Nov '11

Hi, Having a look at http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/24 (FAQ DRAFT), I would like to find this question (-: and response!): « Will my personal home directory, created and actualy used by KDE3, be compatible with Trinity? That is: will I keep KDE3 themes and all my settings for the differents KDE softwares? In that context, what will appen if I compile Trinity as is, now? Hoping that the author(s) will understand my "basic user"'s preoccupations... Sincerly Patrick NOTE: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/releases.php -> error 404

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Trinity User's Guide
by Darrell Anderson 17 Nov '11

17 Nov '11

We have none. :) In the past I mentioned my background in technical writing and an interest in coordinating a user's guide. No promises but I want to get something moving. I have PDF copies of three KDE3 user guides. All are licensed to allow using the text in other documents. KDEUserGuideFinal.pdf: Published by the United Nations Development Programme’s Asia-Pacific Development Information Programme (UNDP-APDIP)Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (heavily focused on PCLinuxOS) opensuse110_kdequick.pdf opensuse110_kdeuser.pdf Although I could convert those documents to text files with various conversion tools, I would like to find the original source files. For you OpenSuse folks, you might be able to find those two document source files. The Kubuntu people at one time had a KDE 3 user's guide. I can find HTML remnants of such a guide on the web. Tim, as the one-time Kubuntu coordinator for KDE3 I'm hoping you might be able to find sources for that document. Long term I want to establish a process to single source the text to various mediums: a PDF, HTML, wiki, etc. Single sourcing text files long been has the Holy Grail of technical writing and frankly, no optimal solution yet exists despite what anybody might claim. DocBook, DITA, XML all were supposed to provide that single source miracle but none have fulfilled any tech writer's dream. Nonetheless, if we get our hands on the original source files for these documents we then find a big step in the right direction toward providing a much-needed Trinity user's guide. If not we still can convert the information using raw conversion tools. Thanks! Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Trinity User's Guide
by Marvin L. Jones 17 Nov '11

17 Nov '11

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011, Calvin Morrison wrote: >But if we are suggesting that our users are incapable of editing markup >of any kind, I seriously doubt their ability to use patch, diff, and >git commands. You expect _users_ to be doing patch, diff, and git commands? I don't think so. Is it too late to put in a request to do documentation in WordStar? Now, there's a markup language _I_ know! :-) (I have it running here on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS...) Jonesy -- Marvin L Jones | jonz | W3DHJ | linux Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | OS/2 __ 38.238N 104.547W | config.com | DM78rf | SK

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