I agree. I think its better to work on getting konq to render better. Its far superior as a web browser even with its outdated-ness (is that a word?). 90% of the time I find pages render and function better than in Firefox. I can control my browsing experience better as well by shutting off tons of stuff whilst still maintaining a usable page. There are so many advantages to konq as a file manager, ftp, sftp, and WB that its worth the extra steps. I hope its considered, Thank you to all, and cheers Tiago! On 1/7/11, Tiago Marques <tiagomnm(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Tiago Marques <tiagomnm(a)gmail.com> wrote: Time for a long email (didn't make it long on purpose, just had too much to say): Believe it or not, there are people that try to avoid GTK, and last I checked Chrome uses GTK. I personally prefer Qt. The only reason I use Firefox over Konqueror is for site compatibility (I could never get Gmail and some other sites to display right in Konqueror). Older versions of Flash (up to version 9) do work in Konqueror, but this causes problems for videos using newer versions of Flash. I have noticed, though, that Youtube works fine on my Wii's Opera-based browser using Flash 7 (it is provided by the Wii Shop Channel and the Wii doesn't allow me to browse the filesystem, so I can't upgrade Flash). Outside of Youtube, I don't visit sites using Flash, and the ones that use Flash get them blocked by one of my plugins. The only other GTK app I use is Pidgin, and only because it has better support for file transfer. I like Kopete much better, and Konqueror fits in with my KDE theme much better than Firefox, so if it could render sites better, I'd use that instead. When she referred to customizing Konqueror, I think she was referring to the options that are built-in (go to KDE Control Center and select Internet & Networking, or open Konqueror and go to the Settings menu then choose Configure Konqueror). It has more built-in features without the use of plugins than any other browser I've used. The reason Knoqueror is lacking in the plugins is because browsers like Firefox and Internet Exploiter (Exploder?) caught people's attention first, so sites are developed mainly for these browsers. Konqueror has worke well for me as FTP. Of course, I don't do much FTP, and it's rarely to upload stuff (I use SFTP (FTP through SSH) on a webserver). Perhaps if you file a bug report for Trinity about what Konqueror isn't doing right with FTP, it could get fixed at some point. I've heard good things about WebKit, and I believe there is a Qt version of WebKit. I haven't used it before, but it is based on KHTML and is what Safari uses, so perhaps we could find a way to use it to replace KHTML (I've heard rumors that's possible)? As for Chrome, I keep seeing references to it being Proprietary Software. For those of us who are Free Software Purists (I've been working toward ridding myself of Proprietary stuff), Chrome isn't a rea option. While it is a good browser for users of Proprietary Software who want a lean interface, it is a good browser. But for those of us who are purists, Chrome won't cut it. I will be learning how to program in Qt/C++, and I'll be starting within the next couple days. It will be on my own time (and there isn't much of it, so it could take awhile), though provided I can use another browsing engine like WebKit or Mozilla's Gecko, I'd be willing to write a Free Software browser based on Chrome (not exactly a clone of Chrome, just something with a lean, configurable interface). Provided that tqtinterface is working by the time I eventually get it to a usable state, we should be able to use it in Trinity. Personally, though, I don't like overly-lean or overly-simple. I need a menu bar, toolbar (back, forward, refresh, stop, home, and URL bar, and a search bar is a plus). tab bar, and status bar, and Chrome was missing the menu bar and toolbar, and I seem to remember the Chrome status bar disappearing whenever it was idle (something that I found annoying). There is probably a way to change this, I never bothered to look though. -- Kris "Piki" Ark Linux Webmaster Trinity KDE Packager

On Saturday 08 January 2011 00:05:06 Tiago Marques wrote: That's why I posted the initial post here. Gambas has Webkit control, and creates perfect Qt3 applications. A simple working browser already provided with Gambas as an example. It can open any page and print it. Both Java and Javascript works well and it uses KWallet from KDE3 to store passwords so I could login OpenSUSE build service with it (unlike Konqueror). What one needs is just add some navigation buttons, history log, saving files (and opening them in external applications), some other settings such as choosing font size.

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Ilya Chernykh <neptunia(a)mail.ru> wrote: I haven't tested much, only found bugs on the checkboxes. True. Not true. It actually is miles ahead of FF right now, as it calls xdg-open which uses the system wide defined applications - at least in my Gentoo boxes. Best regards, Tiago

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Ilya Chernykh <neptunia(a)mail.ru> wrote: Indeed. Also true. Still, I find it that the whole departure to Dolphin in KDE4 was far from ideal still. Profile handling well would be better.

I'm looking to learn to program, not just design a browser interface with Gambas. As for konqueror the file manager, I do like it better than Dolphin, but only because of it's flexibility (see Katheryne's earlier message) and because I've grown accustomed to the UI. Dolphin has a much simpler/easier interface from the perspective of most newbies. We (Ark Linux) will leave it as the default file manager in our KDE4 ISO because of that, though I'm not sure about our Trinity ISO. On 1/7/11, Kristopher Gamrat <pikidalto(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- Kris "Piki" Ark Linux Webmaster Trinity KDE Packager

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Tiago Marques <tiagomnm(a)gmail.com> wrote: Depends on how you look at things. Just like people will argue Free vs Proprietary, this text editor vs that text editor, this desktop vs that desktop, etc., people will argue Qt vs GTK. The head developer for Ark Linux only uses Qt, while one of the other team prefers programming in Qt but uses an app or two written with GTK. I mentioned before that I only use Pidgin and Firefox because they do things that Kopete and Konqueror struggle with, and that otherwise I wouldn't care for them. Perhaps I'd want to keep Firefox as my default browser if I prefered GTK (it is a good browser), but I'd much prefer to stay with Konqueror as it has proven itself time and again with it's stability (Firefox doesn't crash very often, but I've had it crash more often than Konqueror, and the generic Linux package from Mozilla's site has had a bit of trouble on my various systems) and swiss army knife capabilities in file management. I'd much rather just fix Kopete and Konqueror and use them. Fewer apps, less disk space taken that I could otherwise use to package software and learn to program, more consistent theme on my desktop... I do realize having both Qt and GTK don't really use too much in the way of resources, but for distros offering a 700MB ISO as the primary install image, every little bit helps. Ark Linux doesn't offer DVD or BluRay images, only 700MB CD images. We may decide to expand it somewhere down the road, but one of the main points here is to not over crowd new users (how do i choose from these 50 editors just to edit this one file? there are just too many here to compare features!) -- we try to keep things simple and easy and provide just the stuff that new users need to settle in (one editor, one browser, some games, an office suite, etc.). -- Kris "Piki" Ark Linux Webmaster Trinity KDE Packager