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Update Chimaera (bullseye) + TDE 14.1 works fine
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

Just to give a heads-up for all that want to upgrade from Beowulf to Chimaera: it works - and TDE 14.1 is better than ever. Beowulf to chimaera is not a simple "apt update; apt dist-upgrade". First purge all GNOME libraries on your system. Then you'll need some passes of "apt upgrade", check for packages on hold ("apt-mark showhold"), update these, puge the chache, check for packages without candidate ("apt-show version|grep 'No avail'"), purge if unused, check again ... the whole process took ~ 3 hours on my t60/t61. Most time was spent on downloading packages. The upgrade process will most likely unistall libreoffice/freecad/zim/..., just reinstall that later. "terminator 0.96" does not work any more, 2.1.0 basicly works (colors are off, fonts need to be installed ... gtk3 crap after all). linuxcnc-uspace from the repos does not work due to some missing python2 suff. Kernel needs to be installed manually when you come from BPO. Now TDE 14.1 ... this is very nice :) The volume control uses the incerement steps that are configured (14.0.1 did not). Automounting usb flashdrives brings up konqueror (as I configured it on 14.0.1 - that was gone in prev. version of 14.1). What's gone is the entry in the context menue that opened konqeror in the actual mountpount of a device. So I'm back to my quest of "media://" :) To sum it up: IMO the upgrade is worth it. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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OFF TOPIC!!! = Why crackmonkeys should not be allowed to own tech = OFF TOPIC!!!
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

> On Monday 15 February 2021 23:00:57 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > And got caught by spamassassin. So I've not recourse but to copy/paste: > > Is there an rpm or apt-get comment that can batch remove repeat rpms. > The old version of rather. > > A dimwit neighbour decide not allow synaptic to finish updating and force > shut > it down to go watch football (american). Now he keeps getting warnings of > multiple rpm versions. I can't go fix it for obvious reasons. So I'm > hoping > to give him some command that would resolve this. Otherwise, he has to > drop > off. He's "extremely social" if you know what I mean. Sadly he's a good > old > friend's son, I can't really say no. > > This is the same person who decided his new snowblower could clean > his "short" > drive way without engine oil. > > Why crackmonkeys should not be allowed to own tech... > > I know I'm going to end up having to do it, but I thought I'd ask. > > Kate > > From Gene: > > After 86 years, my dearest kate, I have learned that trying to head off > such behaviour is essentially thankless, they cannot be made to > understand that you are trying to help when you object to such self > destructive behaviour. > > Sometimes its best to let them sort it out themselves. His answer is > probably to reinstall, probably loseing any work he may have already > done with it, including his accounts receivable, which could be an > expensive lesson. > > If you have to do the reinstall, you should become the first user, with a > longer pw you never share, and no root pw, making him a non-priviledged > user, but make sure sshd is running and that you are the only one that > can run sudo. That way you can log in and do maintenance/updates etc > from your place, undisturbed by prying eyes. > > Such self-defense is not a personality problem. All he needs to learn is > to shut off the monitor only and leave it running, 24/7. Just make sure > it has enough memory so he can watch football at the same time you are > sorting his latest basket of rattlesnakes. If his network connection is > dynamic so his net address is volatile, have a late boot script email > you its address anytime its rebooted. > > Good luck girl, stay safe and well. Wise words. I'm repairing for his mother's sake. Steve, never had the pwds. His brother ran the update with simple instruction. Leave it alone, til he returns with his mother. Didn't work out. Oh well. Cheers, Kate

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Why crackmonkeys should not be allowed to own tech
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 16 Feb '21

16 Feb '21

Is there an rpm or apt-get comment that can batch remove repeat rpms. The old version of rather. A dimwit neighbour decide not allow synaptic to finish updating and force shut it down to go watch football (american). Now he keeps getting warnings of multiple rpm versions. I can't go fix it for obvious reasons. So I'm hoping to give him some command that would resolve this. Otherwise, he has to drop off. He's "extremely social" if you know what I mean. Sadly he's a good old friend's son, I can't really say no. This is the same person who decided his new snowblower could clean his "short" drive way without engine oil. Why crackmonkeys should not be allowed to own tech... I know I'm going to end up having to do it, but I thought I'd ask. Kate

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OFF TOPIC!!! = Why crackmonkeys should not be allowed to own tech = OFF TOPIC!!!
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 16 Feb '21

16 Feb '21

> BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > > Yes, he's that stupid. Which is odd, his brother and sister are both very > > intelligent. As is his mother and late father. It's his mother I'm friends > > with and I can't stand to see her hurt. I'm going to quietly fix it. > > I have similar experiences with younger people. It is "Idiocracy" now. The > problem is with smartphones and such in early age (lets say <18) damages > the cognitive functions of the brain. > Are his brother and sister older how old is the guy - just curios. > > ____________________________________________________ Yes they are older. Idiocracy was a great movie and sums him up very well. He's like the guy the protagonist meets when his tube crashes into the apt. A wee bit better spoken though. As for the smart phone thing, it's true. There have been studies. Cheers, Kate

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devicemapper problems.
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 15 Feb '21

15 Feb '21

Hi people (and others) Ok so in order to mount an add on devices like ext HD, I need to run multipath -F to clear mount points. Otherwise it says the mount point is busy. So here's how it goes. I have hotswap bays installed. If take out one drive and insert and other I get the typical msg Unable to mount this device. Potential reasons include: Improper device and/or user privilege level Corrupt data on storage device Technical details: org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Error.Failed: Error mounting /dev/sdj1 at /media/Preview1: Command-line `mount -t "jfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid" "/dev/sdj1" "/media/Preview1"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: /mnt/Preview1: /dev/sdj1 already mounted or mount point busy. Then, as root, I run multipath -F and all it good. It just started doing this, this morning? Anything I should look for? Kate

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kmail fonts suddenly fubar
by Gene Heskett 05 Feb '21

05 Feb '21

Greetiings all; I normally, because of 86 yo eyes, use a bold font in about every selection of the appearance list. But for several days now, I am stuck at a normal font. It shows the bold ok in the preview line at the bottom, and clickiing apply blinks the selected window text as it refreshes, but its the normal very skinny lines font that is actually used. Any idea what I should check? This happened ay about the same time the composer grew a list of icons on the upper left corner of its screen. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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Cant normally shuting down
by chucrut＠disroot.org 04 Feb '21

04 Feb '21

Hello, Sometimes happens that i click to "shut down" button and Trinity shows dialog of closing everything and... it dont shuts down.Also when i click to this button again nothing appears. Devuan Beowulf TDE testing

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spam & untrimmed quotes versus endless whining
by William Morder 04 Feb '21

04 Feb '21

Let's see, I count 6 spam emails, then 8 more (including this one) to complain about spam, failure to trim quotes, general whining, and my own complaint about too much complaining. I have not counted Slavek's emails, because he was acting in his own part. This happens every time, and we waste more words on complaints than the spam that started the thread. Maybe we could just stop doing this? Bill

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No documentation for kMail templates
by J Leslie Turriff 04 Feb '21

04 Feb '21

Can anyone explain the rules for defining templates in kMail? There is no mention of them in the Handbook. I have written a little script called SystemID that prints the following information | openSUSE Leap 15.2 x86_64 | Qt: 3.5.0 | TDE: R14.0.9 | tde-config: 1.0 and added a line at the bottom of the template for emails going to this list: | %SYSTEM="SystemID" but as you see below, only the first line gets written. Also, I'd like to understand how the Quote Indicator string in the Templates tab works; it doesn't behave the way I'd expect. Leslie openSUSE Leap 15.2 x86_64 --

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Trim Quotes
by Felix Miata 03 Feb '21

03 Feb '21

Not trimming quotes down to relevant material is no less bad than quoting spam. Quoting 29 lines to write two words about spamming is unnecessary, even abusive, and no less archive pollution than the spam itself. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

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03 Feb '21

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by vfixinfo9＠gmail.com 03 Feb '21

03 Feb '21

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Re: Please don't resend spam to the list [was Indian real estate spam]
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 03 Feb '21

03 Feb '21

> On Wed, Feb 03, 2021 at 04:14:55AM -0500, Gene Heskett via tde-users > quoting spam wrote: > > > On Wednesday 03 February 2021 03:38:44 spammer wrote: > > > > > [ quoted spam including links to their sites ] > > > Since when are we selling real estate on this list?? > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > > Do we really have to repeat spammer's messages, including re-posting > their spam links? > > Resending spam is still spamming. Spammers gonna spam, its what they do, > but I'm mad as a cut snake that regulars here would *help them* get > their message out. > > Gene, take responsibility for your actions and don't dismiss it. You're > not using Gmail that hides quoted text by default, the spam was right > there in front of you when you chose to send the message. You are > tech-savvy enough that you should know better and I'm pretty sure you > could work out how to press the delete key to delete the offending spam. > > I'm disappointed that I have to say this: please don't forward or > re-send spam to the mailing list. And that includes replying to it and > sending the full quoted text. > > I get enough of this sort of thing from my Pointy Haired Boss. I didn't > expect to get it here. > > > > -- > Steve > ____________________________________________________ Hi Steve, While I agree with not forwarding spam. I do believe you could have said it in a kinder manner. Sometimes people react, it's human nature (yuck humans). So, as reminder, let's be civil to each other and kinder. The spammers will be taken care of (ominous music plays). Until then, just filter them out. Kate PS Pointy Haired Boss ugh.

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03 Feb '21

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03 Feb '21

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03 Feb '21

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03 Feb '21

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kPDF's 'find' does not allow regular expressions?
by J Leslie Turriff 02 Feb '21

02 Feb '21

When I open kPDF's Find dialog and enter a string, the Regular Expression checkbox and Edit button are always disabled. This looks like a bug to me. Anyone else seeing this? [KPDF -.5.10 (Using Trinity R14.0.9) on OpenSuSE Leap 15.2] Leslie

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Disable autoscan and automount
by Christian Schmitz 31 Jan '21

31 Jan '21

Dear all: I sometimes recover data from damaged hard disk. For this i need perform THE MINIMUM things to disk, inspect only the data that i require access or inspect. Sadly TDE try mount all data and put on desktop the shortcut. This is not wanted feature by me. How disable it? Thanks in advance. Christian -- Be Free, Be Linux --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Fix for Konqueror crashing on cut-n-paste
by Michele Calgaro 29 Jan '21

29 Jan '21

Hi all, as some of you have experienced and reported in the past, Konqueror randomly crashes when cutting and pasting a file. For example see: https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3008 http://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskto… This problem should now have been fixed by tdebase#178 (https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/178). Given the random nature of the issue, before merging the patch to the master branch we would like to have additional feedback from users who experienced the problem before. For this, Slavek has updated PSB/PTB packages with the aforementioned patch and already published them. Appreciated if users of PSB/PTB could report if no more crashes on cut-n-paste are experienced. Cheers Michele

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wheezy update woes?
by Gene Heskett 28 Jan '21

28 Jan '21

Greetings; Updated one on my milling machines today but had a minor problem. E: /var/cache/apt/archives/knetwalk-trinity_4%3a14.0.10~pre19-0debian7.0.0+7_i386.deb: trying to overwrite '/opt/trinity/share/apps/carddecks/cards-aisleriot/COPYRIGHT', which is also in package tdegames-card-data-trinity 4:14.0.10~pre19-0debian7.0.0+7 So I'll have to fix broken but it doesn't fix this. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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Konsole freeze on (UTF?) characters
by Ernest Beinrohr 28 Jan '21

28 Jan '21

Hi. Since upgrading to fedora 33 my konsole began freezing when it encounters non-ascii characters. I've tried different fonts and even installed TDE on a new fedora VM, still freezes. For example : cat /usr/share/applications/*

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Is there a way to change the colour of the indentation marker in HTML mail?
by J Leslie Turriff 26 Jan '21

26 Jan '21

Some of the mail I get is HTML-only, and has vertical bars for indentation markers instead of >. Unfortunately, they are almost impossible to see (much like the break markers in toolbars. Is there a way to change their colour? I tried modifying the Alternative Background Color in settings, but that didn't help. Leslie

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kweather does not update weather data
by Stefan Krusche 25 Jan '21

25 Jan '21

Good day! Has anyone noticed that kweather applet doesn't update weather data anymore since some weeks? More exactly, weather data for "Berlin-Tegel". Kweather comes obviously with a database from which you can choose your location (airport). For Berlin that used to be "Berlin-Tegel" and "Berlin-Tempelhof" (which is dead since 2009). I checked with "Braunschweig" and it shows actual current data. Last time that happened the URL for retrieving the data had changed on the part of the server (noaa.gov). This URL was hardcoded in the source of the software and one of the developers had to change it (Tim did that) and it worked again since. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration of the U.S. Department of Commerce offers a lot of services on nws.noaa.gov where the local weather data used to be served as single html pages which were named according to their respective ICAO-Codes (airport IDs). I suspect they again changed something, but I couldn't find anything relevant on their homepage in a couple of minutes. "QCLCD ASCII Files are no longer available. Please use the Global-Hourly File Access link above." I don't know what "QCLCD" means. I'm only guessing here anyway. Maybe only kweather's database of available airport weather stations needs to be updated… Kind regards, Stefan

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Re: [users] kweather does not update weather data [SOLVED]
by J Leslie Turriff 24 Jan '21

24 Jan '21

On 2021-01-13 18:17:05 deloptes wrote: > J Leslie Turriff wrote: > > Mapping to Canadian provinces wouldn't be too hard; where can I get the > > list of stations? Don't know about other countries; you'd have to ask > > people from those places for help. > > https://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data/nsd_cccc.txt > > https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdetoys/src/branch/issue/9/ >kweather/kweather/data/nsd_cccc.txt > > $ grep Canada nsd_cccc.txt > > Can you create a simple mapping ( station_ID state_ID) and review the > state_ids below, please? > > [CA] > name=Canada > states=AB BC MB NB NF NS NT ON QC SK YK Also PE and NU; and according to Wikipedia, YK is commonly used, but the official code is YT. (!) | New | Old (Eng., Fr) | Name | ----- | --------------- | --------------------- | AB | Alta, Alb | Alberta | BC | B C, C-B | British Columbia | MB | Man | Manitoba | NB | N B, N-B | New Brunswick | NF | Nfld,N L, T-N-L | Newfoundland | NS | N S, N-E | Nova Scotia | NT | N W T, T N-O | Northwest Territories | NU | Nvt, Nt | Nunavut | ON | Ont | Ontario | PE | P E I, I P E | Prince Edward Island | QC | Que, Qc, PQ, QU | Quebec | SK | Sask | Saskatchewan | YT,YK | Yuk, Yn | Yukon Territory Leslie --

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Re: Video preview in konqueror?
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 23 Jan '21

23 Jan '21

> Hi all! > > I just found a problem on my T14 with TDE 14.0.10: Konqueror does not show previews of video files. It turned out that the package "mplayerthumbs-trinity" was missing. Isn't there a dependency that sould pull in this package? > > Nik > > > > -- > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... > ____________________________________________________ Hi Doc, The package, in PCLOS, is called trinity-mplayerthumbs When I did a search for mplayerthumbs-trinity, nothing showed up. Try trinity-mplayerthumbs or just mplayerthumbs What distro btw (not that it would make a diff I think)? Kate PS it works well here.

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Video preview in konqueror?
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 23 Jan '21

23 Jan '21

[Ooops, sent too soon ....] Hi all! I just found a problem on my T14 with TDE 14.0.10: Konqueror does not show previews of video files. It turned out that the package "mplayerthumbs-trinity" was missing. Isn't there a dependency that should pull in this package? Or is this package not used for preview videos? Anyhow, I cannot get previews of videos, despite the fact tha I think I have installed all relevant packages. So, does anybody know which packages are needed to get that working? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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Video preview in konqueror?
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 23 Jan '21

23 Jan '21

Hi all! I just found a problem on my T14 with TDE 14.0.10: Konqueror does not show previews of video files. It turned out that the package "mplayerthumbs-trinity" was missing. Isn't there a dependency that sould pull in this package? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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Re: debug installed TDE
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 23 Jan '21

23 Jan '21

Anno domini 2021 Fri, 22 Jan 21:45:02 +0900 Michele Calgaro scripsit: > On 2021/01/22 09:32 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Ok, got it. Behaviour is still the same, but I got a menu entry to permanently delete an item in the context menu - that's fine. Anyway, where's the fun in having a pandora box and not opening it - especially now siche we have masks and vaczine ?:) > > Ok thanks for checking. Maybe an idea for the future would b eto hav a DE wise option to choose whether to use the > media:/ path or the real path, so people have a choice. That would be a real cool option :) > Btw, from desktop items, right click -> open system folder will open the actual path and will stay in it, if you need. Ok, found it. Looks like mediamanager does not start konqueror on 14.1. when automounting (worked just befor the upgrade). Yes, idealy on my system mediamanger would start konqueror with the system folder for that device. Hm ... there is a shortcut to what I want to do, I'm sure :) Nik > > Cheers > Michele > > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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debug installed TDE
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 22 Jan '21

22 Jan '21

Hi all! I'd like to get rid of system:/media/ and media:/ . My plan is to modify some tdeio libraries of my current TDE installation to do this, but this is where I hit a wall: Is there a way to get a minimal copy of code of the currently installed TDE - namely the tdeio part - build a modified version so that I can just copy the binaries over the current installed versions - without building and installing the whole TDE and installing it? Maybe somebody can put me on the right track here. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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how to force TDE colors in non-TDE apps?
by William Morder 19 Jan '21

19 Jan '21

I did try to accomplish this by going through the Trinity Control Center / Appearance / Colors, but nothing happens to my non-TDE apps, so far as I can tell. (Actually, I am only guessing, from what I remember; my TCC screen has been frozen now for a couple hours. See attachment.) Some of my apps refuse to change colors, even though they used to behave like I want (in Jessie, that is, before I upgraded to Devuan Beowulf). I seem to recall that E.Liddell, or maybe Nik, offered some css tricks to do something like this? The main thing is that I don't want to look at a white screen, but I prefer to keep my own color scheme, not to use one of those ready-made themes. Right now it is psi-plus that won't accept the color scheme that I used before the upgrade; it accepts some of the definitions, but will not change background colors. By the way, if I could get kopete to work again, that would be fine, too, but kopete-trinity lags behind other chat applications. Pidgin is okay, and I have others that I am trying out, but at present psi-plus works best for me ... except for the white background, which tends to be hard on my old eyes and gives me a headache. Any suggestions on how to fix the problem or for a workaround? Thanks for any help! Bill

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Re: Konqueror & FAT32
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

> On Saturday 16 January 2021 09:46:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > I just found that after my latest updates to 14.0.10 I lost the "Delete" > > funtionality in konqueror. When I do a right click on at file on a FAT32 > > usb thumbdrive, then the context menu pops up with the "Delete" entry > > greyed out. Pressing "<DEL>"-key consequently des not delete the file nor > > move it to the thrashcan. Pressing "<shift>+<DEL>" deletes the file. > > > > Does somebody else see this, too? > > > > Nik > > I just upgraded a couple days ago, and I don't have that problem. Everything > works the same as before. > > The problem, however, may reside in the flash drive itself, and the fat32 > filesystem. I've had problems with both flash drives and SD cards: sometimes > they mount and behave normally, sometimes not. Do you have the delete > function when you are using Konqueror with non-fat drives, such as your other > hard drives? > > You might dig up your konquerorrc file, where the delete function can be set > or unset. You might be able to override other changes by changing that file. > > Bill > ____________________________________________________ I need to use fat32 because I still have some itsinks clients (thankfully that's fading) Stock formatted usb and SD cards do exhibit problems like that in general. That's why I always format them with linux before use. I never have a problem after that. NTFS, when I have to use that crap, sometimes will. HFS doesn't give me much of a problem, less than NTFS more than fat32. Try clean formatting the drives before use and make use you chown to your user just in case. Kate

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Re: Konqueror & FAT32 --> system:/media/ is to blame
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

> Anno domini 2021 Sun, 17 Jan 13:52:12 -0500 > BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit: > > On Sunday 17 January 2021, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > Hi all! > > > > > > Anno domini 2021 Sat, 16 Jan 19:41:35 -0800 > > > > > > William Morder via tde-users scripsit: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > The problem is that Linux systems in general seem to have a problem > > > > sometimes with mounting a flash drive or SD card, but only after they > > > > have been used in another device, such as a smartphone or a non-Linux > > > > system. > > > > > > > > I put a large music collection on a new SD card, for listening while I am > > > > outdoors walking, but when I went to change some of the items, now I find > > > > that my Linux system refuses to mount the drive. The same has happened > > > > with fat32 flash drives. > > > > > > > > This does not happen with other hard drives, such as an external hard > > > > drive that is formatted NTFS; only with fat32 flash drives or (I forget > > > > the filesystem here) SD cards. > > > > > > > > Also I believe that smartphones can really mess up the data on SD cards, > > > > as I had a lot of weirdness there. For example: a folder for one artist > > > > was instead filled with music from an entirely different artist. This > > > > could not have been a mistake on my part, as I have the originals, all > > > > tidy and organized, and the contents of the flash drive were first > > > > organized on a folder that resides in my desktop computer. Thus all I > > > > need to do is copy the contents of that folder to my SD card. > > > > > > > > It is only when I tried to copy the contents of that SD card to another > > > > location, then suddenly everything got messed up. > > > > > > > > So I believe that Kate might be onto something there, that formatting > > > > with Linux first could eliminate some of that mess. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > > Web mail archive available at > > > > https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydes > > > >ktop.org > > > > > > Looks like this is complints about FAT32 are not the cause of my > > > observations. Please see the attached screenshot: upper half of windows > > > uses system:/media/sdb and shows the describes malfuncions (i.e.: <del> not > > > working, no autorefresh), the lower half shows the very device but where > > > it's mounted in the filesystem as /media/toshiba and there it works as > > > expected (i.e.: <del> working and autorefresh working). > > > > > > So this is definitly a TDE problem. Is there a way to get rid of > > > "system:/media/" and just use the real mountpoint instead? > > > > > > Nik > > > > Ok I just checked out all the media* options and delete appears in all of > > them. What distro are you using. Try using a live CD and see what happens. > > Which mount helper do you use? I have udisks2 here. I think I did not see that problem when I had pmount (but that had a different set of problems which I dislike more than that missing <del>. > > Nik > > > I don't have pmount installed. I've attached a img of all the "mount" related items I have installed. Kate

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Re: Konqueror & FAT32
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

> On Saturday 16 January 2021 11:19:51 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > On Saturday 16 January 2021 09:46:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > I just found that after my latest updates to 14.0.10 I lost the > > > > "Delete" funtionality in konqueror. When I do a right click on at file > > > > on a FAT32 usb thumbdrive, then the context menu pops up with the > > > > "Delete" entry greyed out. Pressing "<DEL>"-key consequently des not > > > > delete the file nor move it to the thrashcan. Pressing "<shift>+<DEL>" > > > > deletes the file. > > > > > > > > Does somebody else see this, too? > > > > > > > > Nik > > > > > > I just upgraded a couple days ago, and I don't have that problem. > > > Everything works the same as before. > > > > > > The problem, however, may reside in the flash drive itself, and the fat32 > > > filesystem. I've had problems with both flash drives and SD cards: > > > sometimes they mount and behave normally, sometimes not. Do you have the > > > delete function when you are using Konqueror with non-fat drives, such as > > > your > > > > other > > > > > hard drives? > > > > > > You might dig up your konquerorrc file, where the delete function can be > > > set or unset. You might be able to override other changes by changing > > > that file. > > > > > > Bill > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > I need to use fat32 because I still have some itsinks clients (thankfully > > that's fading) > > > > Stock formatted usb and SD cards do exhibit problems like that in general. > > That's why I always format them with linux before use. I never have a > > problem after that. > > > > NTFS, when I have to use that crap, sometimes will. HFS doesn't give me > > much of a problem, less than NTFS more than fat32. > > > > Try clean formatting the drives before use and make use you chown to your > > user just in case. > > > > Kate > > Except ... maybe users need to use those items with other devices that do not > read Linux filesystems? e.g., SD cards in smartphones, or flash drives to be > used with other computers. Maybe, the unfortunate user is forced by job or > circumstances to take those flash drives or SD cards and use them on > [*SHUDDER of horror*] Windozes or Rotten Apples? In such cases, fat32 is read > by all of them; ext3 or ext4, not. > > 'Twould be nice if Linux could handle fat32 sometimes without having to format > it to a Linux filesystem. > > :-/ > > Bill You misunderstood. Format the drives, using linux, TO fat32. They will work on windows and apple [*SHUDDER of horror*] etc. It's just that linux does a "clean" format with no empty spaces or oddities. Kate

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Re: [users] Mailing list etiquette [meta] top posting? [Correction]
by J Leslie Turriff 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

On 2021-01-16 22:00:56 Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote: > On 2021/01/17 12:28 PM, William Morder via tde-users wrote: > > How about we just dispense with top posting altogether? > > I was about to ask the same question. > What are the advantages of bottom posting? I can't fiugre them out to be > honest. I use top posting daily everywhere other than TDE and I always find > annoying having to scroll down to read a post in TDE. If there is a clear > benefit for bottom posting, I will understand. But currently I am > struggling to see the point of it. > > Cheers > Michele Oops! My first message had instructions for setting a global template. To set a folder-specific template, do this: If one is using kmail, one can create a custom template for the TDE mailing lists so that all posts going there default to bottom-posting. Right-click on the folder and select Properties. Click on the Templates tab. Click on Reply to All / Reply to List; type the following: | %REM="Reply to TDE Lists template"%- | On %ODATEEN %OTIMELONGEN %OFROMNAME wrote: | %QUOTE | %CURSOR | | <Your Name> | -- Click on Reply to Sender and repeat. (Replace trailing EN if desired with a different language code, and <Your Name> as appropriate.) Leslie --

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Mailing list etiquette [meta] [was Re: Re: Konqueror & FAT32]
by Steven D'Aprano 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

Just a gentle reminder about bottom-quoting without trimming, which combines all the disadvantages of top-posting with none of the advantages. The message I replied to included *nine* levels of quoting, approximately 200 lines worth, followed by a single response at the very end. I had to page through six screens to get to the author's comment. Please everyone, remember to trim your quoting to managable levels, and to use inline posting between paragraphs. (Some people call that "bottom posting" as you respond at the bottom of each paragraph, but that term is more correctly used for adding your own text at the very bottom of the entire quoted message. Which is worse for the reader than top-posting.) (I've done my best to remove any threading information from this email, as I don't want to point the finger at any specific person.) -- Steve

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Re: Boot times [OT] Way OT.
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 07:19:08PM -0500, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > Big Daddy's initial install is about 10 or less GBs. > > Who or what is Big Daddy? > > > It's likely the differences you're seeing are do to some form of > > customization? It may be the faster one has some kind of boot > > streamlining. > > Time for boot up (power on to appearance of the wall paper where you can > click to get a login prompt) is about the same on both machines. > > It's the login itself which is wildly different: virtually instantaneous > on one machine, long enough for me to make a coffee on the other. > > > If so I'd like to know. Could be handy. > > > > Investigate, the collect requires this information! > > I doubt I will be able to do much investigation, they are work machines, > I have limited access to them (no more than two days per week) and > neither the time nor inclination to spend hours dissecting the fine > details of their configurations. > > But if I do happen to find out anything useful, I'll let you know. > > > -- > Steve > ____________________________________________________ Big Daddy PCLOS http://trinity.mypclinuxos.com/ This is Alistair Izzard's Trinity Desktop roll of PC Linux OS It's a great distro, give it a go. The diff in login could be a matter of security. One may have more steps. So it's likely not related to the machine or OS. Any info would be useful. I, sadly, know a few windows users. Yes, I know, I shouldn't be associating with those kind of people. Still they are good people. Kate

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Boot times [OT] Way OT.
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 04:49:13PM -0500, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > PS 30 secs or less on mine as well. Interesting thing, a mate demanded a side > > by side (well using the same computer, mine) of win10 boot up vs Ali's roll > > of PCLOS aka Big Daddy. BD booted, in less then 30s, to desktop where it took > > win10 an entire 2.4 mins average to boot to desktop. It also took up massive > > amounts of initial storage space. He's now only using win10 for gaming. He's > > now "one of us!" > > (Aside: depending on how you are comparing storage requirements, some of > that space may be a complete full backup of the Windows install.) > > Windows boot and login times are weird. I work part-time for two > companies that both provide me with a Win10 PC to use. One of them boots > up in about a minute, and logs on instantly. The other also boots up in > about a minute, but takes about three minutes to log in, and even then > there's obviously still stuff going on in the background because > performance is pretty horrible for another two or three minutes. > > The two machines are roughly equivalent in hardware specs, and once the > second one settles down, performance is more or less the same as the > first. > > > -- > Steve > ____________________________________________________ Hi Steve, I can understand the differences. This comparison didn't allow for a win10 install backup. This was purely just the OS and we removed all background nonesense, disable all unneeded services, disable updates (the comparison was done with and without updates, no real dif). We used a custom install (and stock). Stock was almost 32GBs. We were able to reduce it to about 21GBs. Big Daddy's initial install is about 10 or less GBs. Fully loaded or what I can the insane package install is 48.6GBs. The test was done on an i9 18 core Intel with 256 gigs of ram, 1300 watt PS, Seagate 1TB Barracuda Pro SSD. We disconnected all hard drives save for the OS/boot drive. The best boot to desktop time we were able to get was 2 mins some odd secs with minimal background items loading. Just what was needed. Best for Big Daddy was 28 secs average. With LOTS extra of stuff loading. We tried to give win10 all the chances in the world. It's likely the differences you're seeing are do to some form of customization? It may be the faster one has some kind of boot streamlining. If so I'd like to know. Could be handy. Investigate, the collect requires this information! Thanks for the info. Cheers, Kate

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Keyboard shortcut for single app cycling?
by Michael 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

What’s the key combination (like ALT-TAB) for cycling just through the instances of the in focus application? ALT-TAB cycles through all applications, CTRL-TAB cycles through desktops, and I just randomly hit a combination that only showed one application’s windows (Pale Moon) but can’t re-create what I hit. Thanks, Michael

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Re: Konqueror & FAT32
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

> Anno domini 2021 Sat, 16 Jan 16:17:10 -0500 > BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit: > > > As usual, the moment you press "send" you find the solution :) > > > > > > Anno domini 2021 Sat, 16 Jan 21:46:46 +0100 > > > Dr. Nikolaus Klepp scripsit: > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > Anno domini 2021 Sat, 16 Jan 14:57:00 -0500 > > > > BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit: > > > > > > On Saturday 16 January 2021 11:19:51 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > > > > On Saturday 16 January 2021 09:46:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just found that after my latest updates to 14.0.10 I lost the > > > > > > > > > "Delete" funtionality in konqueror. When I do a right click on > > at file > > > > > > > > > on a FAT32 usb thumbdrive, then the context menu pops up with > > the > > > > > > > > > "Delete" entry greyed out. Pressing "<DEL>"-key consequently des > > not > > > > > > > > > delete the file nor move it to the thrashcan. > > Pressing "<shift>+<DEL>" > > > > > > > > > deletes the file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does somebody else see this, too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just upgraded a couple days ago, and I don't have that problem. > > > > > > > > Everything works the same as before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem, however, may reside in the flash drive itself, and > > the > > > > > fat32 > > > > > > > > filesystem. I've had problems with both flash drives and SD cards: > > > > > > > > sometimes they mount and behave normally, sometimes not. Do you > > have the > > > > > > > > delete function when you are using Konqueror with non-fat drives, > > such > > > > > as > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard drives? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might dig up your konquerorrc file, where the delete function > > can be > > > > > > > > set or unset. You might be able to override other changes by > > changing > > > > > > > > that file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need to use fat32 because I still have some itsinks clients > > (thankfully > > > > > > > that's fading) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stock formatted usb and SD cards do exhibit problems like that in > > general. > > > > > > > That's why I always format them with linux before use. I never have > > a > > > > > > > problem after that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NTFS, when I have to use that crap, sometimes will. HFS doesn't give > > me > > > > > > > much of a problem, less than NTFS more than fat32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try clean formatting the drives before use and make use you chown to > > your > > > > > > > user just in case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > > > > > > > Except ... maybe users need to use those items with other devices that > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > read Linux filesystems? e.g., SD cards in smartphones, or flash drives > > to be > > > > > > used with other computers. Maybe, the unfortunate user is forced by > > job or > > > > > > circumstances to take those flash drives or SD cards and use them on > > > > > > [*SHUDDER of horror*] Windozes or Rotten Apples? In such cases, fat32 > > is > > > > > read > > > > > > by all of them; ext3 or ext4, not. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Twould be nice if Linux could handle fat32 sometimes without having > > to > > > > > format > > > > > > it to a Linux filesystem. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > You misunderstood. Format the drives, using linux, TO fat32. They will > > work on > > > > > windows and apple [*SHUDDER of horror*] etc. It's just that linux does > > > > > a "clean" format with no empty spaces or oddities. > > > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > > > Web mail archive available at > > https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt… > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to say, neither does work. I tried it as "superdisk" or with one > > partion, the result is the same - "Move to trash" is greyed out and <DEL> > > does not work (<shift>+<DEL> does work). > > > > > > > > I tried ext4, too, with the very same behaviour, so it's not filesystem > > specific. File creation works without problems. > > > > > > > > What's also strange: the konqeror is not notified about changes on that > > filesystem, e.g. if I create a new file it is not visible in konqueror till I > > press "F5". > > > > > > > > Oh, I have "udisks2" as helper. > > > > > > > > > Ok, in konqueror settings, tab "behaviour" --> "show delete entry (no > > trash)". if this is checked, I get a "Delete" entry in the context menu. This > > still does not enable "<del>"-key, but for the "usual" user it's ok. > > > > > > Interestingly I cannot identify the corresponding setting > > in .trinity/share/config/konquerorrc > > > > > > Nik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing > > with the NSA, CIA ... > > > ____________________________________________________ > > " What's also strange: the konqeror is not notified about changes on that > > filesystem, e.g. if I create a new file it is not visible in konqueror till I > > press "F5"." > > > > When is the last time you rebooted X or the entire computer? > > I'd reboot the computer. The F5 thing happens after a large update (at least > > in my exp). Try a reboot. > > I power it off when not used and turn it on when I need it (bootime <30sec), so it' up just some hours. > > Nik > > > > > Kate > > ____________________________________________________ Rats. Did you try root and a freshly made user to see if it still does it? Also, do you have another machine? Try it on there. Kate PS 30 secs or less on mine as well. Interesting thing, a mate demanded a side by side (well using the same computer, mine) of win10 boot up vs Ali's roll of PCLOS aka Big Daddy. BD booted, in less then 30s, to desktop where it took win10 an entire 2.4 mins average to boot to desktop. It also took up massive amounts of initial storage space. He's now only using win10 for gaming. He's now "one of us!"

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Re: [users] Konqueror & FAT32
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

> On 2021-01-16 15:17:10 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > Ok, in konqueror settings, tab "behaviour" --> "show delete entry (no > > > > trash)". if this is checked, I get a "Delete" entry in the context menu. > > This still does not enable "<del>"-key, but for the "usual" user it's ok. > > If you like, you can also add a Delete button to Konqueror's Main toolbar. > > Leslie > -- > Oh that is definitely a good idea. I have that as well. Well spotted Leslie. Can't believe I didn't think to suggest it. I'm tired lol. Kate

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Re: Konqueror & FAT32
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

> As usual, the moment you press "send" you find the solution :) > > Anno domini 2021 Sat, 16 Jan 21:46:46 +0100 > Dr. Nikolaus Klepp scripsit: > > Hi all! > > > > Anno domini 2021 Sat, 16 Jan 14:57:00 -0500 > > BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit: > > > > On Saturday 16 January 2021 11:19:51 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday 16 January 2021 09:46:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just found that after my latest updates to 14.0.10 I lost the > > > > > > > "Delete" funtionality in konqueror. When I do a right click on at file > > > > > > > on a FAT32 usb thumbdrive, then the context menu pops up with the > > > > > > > "Delete" entry greyed out. Pressing "<DEL>"-key consequently des not > > > > > > > delete the file nor move it to the thrashcan. Pressing "<shift>+<DEL>" > > > > > > > deletes the file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does somebody else see this, too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nik > > > > > > > > > > > > I just upgraded a couple days ago, and I don't have that problem. > > > > > > Everything works the same as before. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem, however, may reside in the flash drive itself, and the > > > fat32 > > > > > > filesystem. I've had problems with both flash drives and SD cards: > > > > > > sometimes they mount and behave normally, sometimes not. Do you have the > > > > > > delete function when you are using Konqueror with non-fat drives, such > > > as > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > hard drives? > > > > > > > > > > > > You might dig up your konquerorrc file, where the delete function can be > > > > > > set or unset. You might be able to override other changes by changing > > > > > > that file. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > I need to use fat32 because I still have some itsinks clients (thankfully > > > > > that's fading) > > > > > > > > > > Stock formatted usb and SD cards do exhibit problems like that in general. > > > > > That's why I always format them with linux before use. I never have a > > > > > problem after that. > > > > > > > > > > NTFS, when I have to use that crap, sometimes will. HFS doesn't give me > > > > > much of a problem, less than NTFS more than fat32. > > > > > > > > > > Try clean formatting the drives before use and make use you chown to your > > > > > user just in case. > > > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > > > Except ... maybe users need to use those items with other devices that do > > > not > > > > read Linux filesystems? e.g., SD cards in smartphones, or flash drives to be > > > > used with other computers. Maybe, the unfortunate user is forced by job or > > > > circumstances to take those flash drives or SD cards and use them on > > > > [*SHUDDER of horror*] Windozes or Rotten Apples? In such cases, fat32 is > > > read > > > > by all of them; ext3 or ext4, not. > > > > > > > > 'Twould be nice if Linux could handle fat32 sometimes without having to > > > format > > > > it to a Linux filesystem. > > > > > > > > :-/ > > > > > > > > Bill > > > You misunderstood. Format the drives, using linux, TO fat32. They will work on > > > windows and apple [*SHUDDER of horror*] etc. It's just that linux does > > > a "clean" format with no empty spaces or oddities. > > > > > > Kate > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt… > > > > > > > Sorry to say, neither does work. I tried it as "superdisk" or with one partion, the result is the same - "Move to trash" is greyed out and <DEL> does not work (<shift>+<DEL> does work). > > > > I tried ext4, too, with the very same behaviour, so it's not filesystem specific. File creation works without problems. > > > > What's also strange: the konqeror is not notified about changes on that filesystem, e.g. if I create a new file it is not visible in konqueror till I press "F5". > > > > Oh, I have "udisks2" as helper. > > > Ok, in konqueror settings, tab "behaviour" --> "show delete entry (no trash)". if this is checked, I get a "Delete" entry in the context menu. This still does not enable "<del>"-key, but for the "usual" user it's ok. > > Interestingly I cannot identify the corresponding setting in .trinity/share/config/konquerorrc > > Nik > > > > > > Nik > > > > > > > > -- > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... > ____________________________________________________ " What's also strange: the konqeror is not notified about changes on that filesystem, e.g. if I create a new file it is not visible in konqueror till I press "F5"." When is the last time you rebooted X or the entire computer? I'd reboot the computer. The F5 thing happens after a large update (at least in my exp). Try a reboot. Kate

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Re: Konqueror & FAT32
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

> Hi all! > > Anno domini 2021 Sat, 16 Jan 14:57:00 -0500 > BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit: > > > On Saturday 16 January 2021 11:19:51 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > On Saturday 16 January 2021 09:46:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > > > > > I just found that after my latest updates to 14.0.10 I lost the > > > > > > "Delete" funtionality in konqueror. When I do a right click on at file > > > > > > on a FAT32 usb thumbdrive, then the context menu pops up with the > > > > > > "Delete" entry greyed out. Pressing "<DEL>"-key consequently des not > > > > > > delete the file nor move it to the thrashcan. Pressing "<shift>+<DEL>" > > > > > > deletes the file. > > > > > > > > > > > > Does somebody else see this, too? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nik > > > > > > > > > > I just upgraded a couple days ago, and I don't have that problem. > > > > > Everything works the same as before. > > > > > > > > > > The problem, however, may reside in the flash drive itself, and the > > fat32 > > > > > filesystem. I've had problems with both flash drives and SD cards: > > > > > sometimes they mount and behave normally, sometimes not. Do you have the > > > > > delete function when you are using Konqueror with non-fat drives, such > > as > > > > > your > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > hard drives? > > > > > > > > > > You might dig up your konquerorrc file, where the delete function can be > > > > > set or unset. You might be able to override other changes by changing > > > > > that file. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > I need to use fat32 because I still have some itsinks clients (thankfully > > > > that's fading) > > > > > > > > Stock formatted usb and SD cards do exhibit problems like that in general. > > > > That's why I always format them with linux before use. I never have a > > > > problem after that. > > > > > > > > NTFS, when I have to use that crap, sometimes will. HFS doesn't give me > > > > much of a problem, less than NTFS more than fat32. > > > > > > > > Try clean formatting the drives before use and make use you chown to your > > > > user just in case. > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > Except ... maybe users need to use those items with other devices that do > > not > > > read Linux filesystems? e.g., SD cards in smartphones, or flash drives to be > > > used with other computers. Maybe, the unfortunate user is forced by job or > > > circumstances to take those flash drives or SD cards and use them on > > > [*SHUDDER of horror*] Windozes or Rotten Apples? In such cases, fat32 is > > read > > > by all of them; ext3 or ext4, not. > > > > > > 'Twould be nice if Linux could handle fat32 sometimes without having to > > format > > > it to a Linux filesystem. > > > > > > :-/ > > > > > > Bill > > You misunderstood. Format the drives, using linux, TO fat32. They will work on > > windows and apple [*SHUDDER of horror*] etc. It's just that linux does > > a "clean" format with no empty spaces or oddities. > > > > Kate > > ____________________________________________________ > > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > > Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt… > > > > Sorry to say, neither does work. I tried it as "superdisk" or with one partion, the result is the same - "Move to trash" is greyed out and <DEL> does not work (<shift>+<DEL> does work). > > I tried ext4, too, with the very same behaviour, so it's not filesystem specific. File creation works without problems. > > What's also strange: the konqeror is not notified about changes on that filesystem, e.g. if I create a new file it is not visible in konqueror till I press "F5". > > Oh, I have "udisks2" as helper. > > Nik > > > -- > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... > ____________________________________________________ Ok Doc, Try this. See if it's still greyed out as root or another freshly created user. Maybe a weird perms problem. See it before. Drives me bloody mad. Kate

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TDE on Nix packages
by Echedey Lopez Romero 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

Good afternoon from Spain, Recently, a friend send me a link to an issue in the Nix packages repositories on GitHub. It seems someone proposed to the maintainers to package TDE in Nix. The link to the issue is https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/108967. -- Regards, Echedey, Lopez Romero () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments

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(no subject)
by George Herzog 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

I don't want my computer to turn off when it is unattended. How do I turn off 'Energy Star (DPMS)'? Clearing the Box in the GUI does not work.

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Konqueror & FAT32
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

Hi all! I just found that after my latest updates to 14.0.10 I lost the "Delete" funtionality in konqueror. When I do a right click on at file on a FAT32 usb thumbdrive, then the context menu pops up with the "Delete" entry greyed out. Pressing "<DEL>"-key consequently des not delete the file nor move it to the thrashcan. Pressing "<shift>+<DEL>" deletes the file. Does somebody else see this, too? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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libjasper1 missing
by James D Freels 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

Hello TDE users ! I am testing installing TDE, or separate TDE packages such as konqueror-trinity, on my chromebook/crostini/linux vm. Upon the initial install (apt-get install kdesktop-trinity), it is short a package called libjasper1. I check on my reference linux desktop with TDE installed and running fine. Sure enough, it has a package called libjasper1 installed. However, if I try to reinstall it just to get the package file to use on the chromebook, it is no longer available. So, either libjasper1 is used in TDE and it is not available anymore under debian/buster, or the package needed by TDE needs to be obtained from some other place. Where do we get libjasper1 now? Is this a TDE bug ? -- James D. Freels, Ph.D., P.E. freelsjd(a)gmail.com 865-457-6742 (landline) 865-919-0320 (cell)

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Default browser setting?
by Curt Howland 15 Jan '21

15 Jan '21

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Dear Trinitarians, Decided to move away from Chrome, Brave seems to be working, but Kmail is opening links in Chrome. So. I know I was using Firefox many years ago, so I remember changing it once in the past. I haven't been able to find the setting for "Open URL with....", not globally, not in Kmail. Any hints? Curt- - -- You may my glories and my state dispose, But not my griefs; still am I king of those. --- William Shakespeare, "Richard II" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEAREIAB0WIQTaYVhJsIalt8scIDa2T1fo1pHhqQUCYAC3vAAKCRC2T1fo1pHh qYsWAQCreGSuz5p9CZIPGKYmlrmKEHq/53SujKlUCODUJrfv7AEAhRBmOAniEvTP zulF7Om0G3EpoPi+3mIES9Vwcp/DDnY= =4n3t -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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apt wants to remove lots of tde as unused
by Gene Heskett 15 Jan '21

15 Jan '21

Greetings all; While installing a firewall rule manager that needed ipset, apt advised me of a rather lengthy list of stuff I should "apt autoremove" The list: The following packages will be REMOVED: amor-trinity arts-trinity blinken-trinity cervisia-trinity cvs desktop-base-trinity edict eyesapplet-trinity fifteenapplet-trinity flac fonts-dustin gnuift gnuift-perl indi-trinity juk-trinity kaboodle-trinity kalzium-data-trinity kalzium-trinity kanagram-trinity kanjidic kappfinder-trinity kasteroids-trinity katomic-trinity kaudiocreator-trinity kbackgammon-trinity kbattleship-trinity kblackbox-trinity kbounce-trinity kbruch-trinity kcoloredit-trinity kcron-trinity kdat-trinity kdvi-trinity keduca-trinity kenolaba-trinity kfax-trinity kfaxview-trinity kfouleggs-trinity kgamma-trinity kgeography-data-trinity kgeography-trinity kgoldrunner-trinity khangman-trinity kig-trinity kimagemapeditor-trinity kiten-trinity kjumpingcube-trinity klatin-trinity klettres-data-trinity klettres-trinity klickety-trinity klines-trinity klinkstatus-trinity klipper-trinity kmahjongg-trinity kmenuedit-trinity kmines-trinity kmoon-trinity kmplot-trinity kmrml-trinity knetwalk-trinity knetworkconf-trinity kodo-trinity kolf-trinity kolourpaint-trinity kommander-trinity konquest-trinity kpackage-trinity kpat-trinity kpercentage-trinity kpoker-trinity kpovmodeler-trinity krec-trinity kreversi-trinity kruler-trinity ksame-trinity kscd-trinity kshisen-trinity ksirtet-trinity ksmiletris-trinity ksnake-trinity ksnapshot-trinity ksokoban-trinity kspaceduel-trinity kstars-data-trinity kstars-trinity ksysguard-trinity ksysguardd-trinity ksysv-trinity kteatime-trinity ktip-trinity ktouch-trinity ktron-trinity ktuberling-trinity kturtle-trinity ktux-trinity kuser-trinity kverbos-trinity kview-trinity kviewshell-trinity kvoctrain-trinity kwordquiz-trinity kxsldbg-trinity libarts1-audiofile-trinity libarts1-xine-trinity libcvsservice0-trinity libgnuift0c2a libhpmud0 libkiten1-trinity libminizip1 libmrml1c2a libpoppler-tqt libre2-3 libtdeedu3-trinity libtiff-tools libtqt3-integration-trinity libxml-handler-trees-perl libxml-writer-perl lskat-trinity poster quanta-data-trinity quanta-trinity sudo-trinity synaptic-trinity tdeadmin-tdefile-plugins-trinity tdeadmin-trinity tdeartwork-style-trinity tdeartwork-theme-icon-trinity tdeartwork-theme-window-trinity tdeartwork-trinity tdeedu-data-trinity tdeedu-trinity tdefilereplace-trinity tdegames-card-data-trinity tdegames-trinity tdegraphics-tdefile-plugins-trinity tdegraphics-trinity tdeiconedit-trinity tdelibs-trinity tdemid-trinity tdemultimedia-kappfinder-data-trinity tdemultimedia-tdefile-plugins-trinity tdemultimedia-trinity tdescreensaver-trinity tdescreensaver-xsavers-trinity tdetoys-trinity tdewallpapers-trinity tdewebdev-trinity ttf-sjfonts twin4-trinity vorbis-tools xcalib xscreensaver-data xscreensaver-gl 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 154 to remove and 0 not upgraded. After this operation, 227 MB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] obviously I answered n as it didn't look safe for tde. Can it be safely allowed? Thanks. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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Re: [users] kweather does not update weather data [SOLVED]
by J Leslie Turriff 15 Jan '21

15 Jan '21

On 2021-01-13 18:17:05 deloptes wrote: > J Leslie Turriff wrote: > > Mapping to Canadian provinces wouldn't be too hard; where can I get the > > list of stations? Don't know about other countries; you'd have to ask > > people from those places for help. > > https://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data/nsd_cccc.txt > > https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdetoys/src/branch/issue/9/ >kweather/kweather/data/nsd_cccc.txt > > $ grep Canada nsd_cccc.txt > > Can you create a simple mapping ( station_ID state_ID) and review the > state_ids below, please? > > [CA] > name=Canada > states=AB BC MB NB NF NS NT ON QC SK YK Also PE and NU; and according to Wikipedia, YK is commonly used, but the official code is YT. (!) And, Newfoundland (NF) is now Newfoundland and Labrador (NL). This seems to be up to date now. Note, though, that abbreviations in the nsd_cccc.txt file might not be as up-to-date as this list: :-) | New | Old (Eng., Fr) | Name | ----- | --------------- | --------------------- | AB | Alta, Alb | Alberta | BC | B C, C-B | British Columbia | MB | Man | Manitoba | NB | N B, N-B | New Brunswick | NL | Nfld,N L, T-N-L | Newfoundland and Labrador | NS | N S, N-E | Nova Scotia | NT | N W T, T N-O | Northwest Territories | NU | Nvt, Nt | Nunavut | ON | Ont | Ontario | PE | P E I, I P E | Prince Edward Island | QC | Que, Qc, PQ, QU | Quebec | SK | Sask | Saskatchewan | YT,YK | Yuk, Yn | Yukon Territory Many of the entries in nsd_cccc.txt have the province appended to the location instead of in the State field, but many more have none at all. What fun! Leslie --

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Re: [trinity-devel] Re: Re: amarok and missing mp4v2 in Buster
by David C. Rankin 15 Jan '21

15 Jan '21

On 05/19/2019 04:56 PM, deloptes wrote: >> Amarok remove ( https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=921127 ) >> argues "it's dead upstream and better alternatives exist." >> >> mp4v2 has 9 ignored security issues ( https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/mp4v2 >> ) so if it is possible to modify it in order to Amarpk does not depend on >> mp4v2, then much better (Qt4/Qt5 Amarok versions do not depend on mp4v2). > I think if we want to remove this dependency, we need to open an issue in > TGW for it. The problem becomes, and naturally so, that TDE may need to become upstream for the various components of Amarok, or Amarok itself it upsteam support is gone. There was a lengthy discussion on the openSuSE list about Amarok and specifically whether a "better alternatives exist.". There were none found that provided the traditional features or behavior of Amarok, which mitigates in favor of patching Amarok and continuing to offer it. There were always shortcomings in the supposed better alternatives that either required hacks or workarounds, even for behavior as trivial as continual play. Just another angle to consider. The openSuSE list discussion was within the past 2-weeks, though I must have deleted that thread. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

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Desktop Icon Text
by Edward 14 Jan '21

14 Jan '21

Regarding the desktop icon text, is there a setting somewhere for this? When Thunderbird was added to the desktop, "Thunderbird" was truncated with the 'rd' appearing on a second line. But when in the Properties, if the name is changed to 'Thunderbird Mail', the word 'Thunderbird' then appears entirely on one line. The monitor resolution is 1920x1080. Screenshots showing both are attached. Thanks in advance. -- Linux. A Continual Learning Experience.

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Re: looking for mac-style launcher
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 13 Jan '21

13 Jan '21

> On 2021-01-13 1:32 p.m., BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > >> Hi all! > >> > >> I'm looking for a mac-style luncher - that thingie that lives on bottom of > > the screen. Wasn't there such thing in TDE ages go? > >> Nik > >> > >> > >> -- > > kooldock. > > I use it everyday. > > > > Cheers Dr. Nik > > ____________________________________________________ > > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > > Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt… > > Yes!!! > > At last my port of kooldock to TDE is used. > > Now I am happy. :-) > > Pascal > ____________________________________________________ Pascal As well you should be happy. I LOVE kooldock. Thanks. I use it for all me clients, especially those with special needs and/or visual impairments and kids, who think it's "space stuff" like Star Trek. It's a God send and an incredibly useful tool. Thank you so much! Kate

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Re: looking for mac-style launcher
by midi-pascal 13 Jan '21

13 Jan '21

On 2021-01-13 1:32 p.m., BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: >> Hi all! >> >> I'm looking for a mac-style luncher - that thingie that lives on bottom of > the screen. Wasn't there such thing in TDE ages go? >> Nik >> >> >> -- > kooldock. > I use it everyday. > > Cheers Dr. Nik > ____________________________________________________ > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt… Yes!!! At last my port of kooldock to TDE is used. Now I am happy. :-) Pascal

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looking for mac-style launcher
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 13 Jan '21

13 Jan '21

Hi all! I'm looking for a mac-style luncher - that thingie that lives on bottom of the screen. Wasn't there such thing in TDE ages go? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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Re: looking for mac-style launcher
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 13 Jan '21

13 Jan '21

> Hi all! > > I'm looking for a mac-style luncher - that thingie that lives on bottom of the screen. Wasn't there such thing in TDE ages go? > > Nik > > > -- kooldock. I use it everyday. Cheers Dr. Nik

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Wiki import did not import files?
by Michael 11 Jan '21

11 Jan '21

Somewhat a guess, but when the wiki was moved, did the files not get moved at the same time? https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/index.php?title=Category:Pages_with_broken_… I was looking at https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Kmail_Sanitize_and_Decrypt_Mails and noticed the file Kmail-decrypt-and-sanitise-mail.gz isn’t there anymore. If you were an author of one of these: DevelopmentSpecificationsKCMLDAPController Java Integration (KDE3 Architecture) Kmail Sanitize and Decrypt Mails KMDI Tutorial Sample Applications and you still have the missing files, would you re-upload them? Best all, Michael

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linux and TDE on a chromebook
by James D Freels 10 Jan '21

10 Jan '21

All: I was surprised to see that a chromebook-related thread has not appeared on TDE forum since 2014. Well, that is changing NOW ! I have a new Lenovo Flex 5 chromebook and recently purchased from COSTCO (at very good price and support BTW). It provides Linux support (albeit beta) out of the box, and it is nice. BTW, chromebooks are very nice and inexpensive for lots of things, but Linux support is relatively new. So, yes, the Linux CLI is out of the box, and you can gain ssh connection with a bit of work. It is running Debian/Buster too BTW out of the box if you are like me and a Debian user. The next step I tried was to install TDE into it following the TDE instructions. Too much of a gamble. So, I at least interfaced the normal Debian sources.list, and then tried to install xfce4, and that broke it. It is easy to start all over since it is a VM anyway within chromeos. So, backing up a bit since I hit it pretty hard the first time. Has anyone in this forum tried installing TDE and got it to work on a Linux VM under chromeos (chromebook) ? Just thought I would ask. Afterall, chromebooks are selling quite readily now, and being used worldwide. James D. Freels, Ph.D., P.E. freelsjd(a)gmail.com 865-457-6742 (landline) 865-919-0320 (cell)

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Test debian user list posting
by deloptes 09 Jan '21

09 Jan '21

I am just wondering how it works now and as I do not see any different posting I open this thread.

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Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
by Edward 09 Jan '21

09 Jan '21

Hi everyone. Unfortunately, I was forced to remove my installation of Trinity/PCLinuxOS this morning, due to Firefox and Thunderbird not working correctly. Specifically, Firefox was repeatedly asking to be the default browser, even as I previously selected it as the default. And Thunderbird, in the middle of all this, would no longer open links at all, deciding to automatically add a new 'account' relating to news and feeds. Both Vivaldi and Chromium were also installed as browsers, but once both of these were removed, Firefox and Thunderbird continued to exhibit the same behavior. Upon installing first Trinity/Ubuntu 20.04.1 and then Lubuntu 20.04 LTS, I was unable to get HPLIP (as hp-setup) with either OS to communicate with my HP printer, which was USB-connected. Final attempt, was to install Debian (10, LXQt). Fortunately, this was able to detect the printer using hp-setup, however neither hp-systray nor the HPLIP Toolbox (GUI) will launch. I am extremely hesitant to install Trinity on top of this Debian installation, because I am afraid that with Konqueror included as the default file manager, I will have the same issues with Firefox and Thunderbird. I suspect that something with PCLOS may have changed, causing it to detect both Firefox and Konqueror as web browsers, instead of a web browser and a file manager. I don't know. I have been fiddling with this for the past seven hours now. I just want it to work. Thanks in advance for any advice/suggestions/etc.

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Fwd: Re: Re: kweather does not update weather data [SOLVED]
by Stefan Krusche 07 Jan '21

07 Jan '21

resent to list ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- Betreff: Re: [tde-users] Re: kweather does not update weather data [SOLVED] Datum: Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2021, 17:30:04 Von: William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com> An: Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> On Thursday 07 January 2021 08:21:53 you wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2021 schrieb William Morder via tde-users: > > On Thursday 07 January 2021 07:44:29 deloptes via tde-users wrote: > > > William Morder via tde-users wrote: > > > > Besides my local weather (San Francisco - SFO), I like to check > > > > the weather at various places where I've lived, have family or > > > > friends; not only here in the US, but some other locations round > > > > the world. Mostly I just use my local weather, but I do like to > > > > wonder now and then what it's like elsewhere. > > > > > > I have 7 stations and all of them show the information :/ > > > > Ha! found it! (or at least I believe so). > > > > I poked around in network settings in the TDE Control Center, and it > > turns out that proxy had been set to "manually specify proxy > > settings"; once I clicked change to direct connection, then updated > > kweather, suddenly I have information for my weather stations. > > > > Now the puzzle is, why are my network and proxy settings changed in > > the TDE Control Center, when in fact I never use those settings. I > > have my machine set for direct connection, and manually specify proxy > > settings for individual applications like browsers or whatever. > > This puzzle only you can save! ;-) > > Glad it works for you again. > > Stefan Yes, but I wonder why TDE apps will not use system proxy settings. This is my main reason for problems encountered with online weather pages, and with weather apps on my smartphone. If I am asking what's the weather, then they already know the location close enough for my own information. The weather is about the same if it is in the same city. But no, they want to know my precise real location, as I sit here at my desk, even if I am wondering what is the weather like in London or Moscow. Is it a matter of national security, to know this about me? It would be nice to be able to torify TDE apps. :-[ Bill -------------------------------------------------------

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Fwd: Re: Re: kweather does not update weather data [SOLVED]
by Stefan Krusche 07 Jan '21

07 Jan '21

resent to TDE users ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- Betreff: Re: [tde-users] Re: kweather does not update weather data [SOLVED] Datum: Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2021, 15:20:54 Von: William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com> An: Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> On Thursday 07 January 2021 06:15:41 you wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2021 schrieb William Morder via tde-users: > > Well, I just opened it as a web page, over Tor, and get an index of > > text files listing different locations; so the information can be > > accessed, just not by me through the kweather app. > > There are some stations in weather_applet's list to choose from which > don't exist anymore. Maybe you ran into one or more of these? > > Cheers, > Stefan Most locations are pretty well known: they have airport codes and postal codes, and are either reasonably large cities, or sometimes BIG cities. So one would expect that they are maintained. Bill -------------------------------------------------------

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WTH? I can't find an MP4 player for local files, what am I missing?
by Gene Heskett 07 Jan '21

07 Jan '21

Greetings all; I can't find a working mp4 player. Debian Stretch install, uptodate AO this morning. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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Re: Can't seem to start kooldock [SOLVED]
by midi-pascal 04 Jan '21

04 Jan '21

On 2021-01-04 7:49 a.m., Stefan Krusche via tde-users wrote: > Hi Pascal, > > Am Montag, 4. Januar 2021 schrieb midi-pascal via tde-users: >> Hi Stefan, >> >> When kooldock is started for the first time, it is located at the >> bottom of the screen by default so it is "under" the TDE panel. >> That's why you do not see it. >> >> You can move the panel temporarily so you can see kooldock and >> configure it to be elsewhere on the screen. >> >> Then move the panel back to its original position. > Thank you. I had read that in an mail conversation (2020.10.02) between > you and Nik Klepp, but that didn't help to enlighten me. That's why I > asked in the first place. > > Explanation: I have no TDE Panel at the bottom, I have it at the left > side of the display. Secondly, kooldock only seems get triggered to > show up when the mouse is moved to a very short segment in the middle > of the bottom border of the display, and only when the mouse hits the > trigger section for longer than only accidentally, like at least, say, > 400 ms or so. > > This makes it hard to find if you don't know where to look and there's > no documentation, even for the experienced user. > > If you would like to get kooldock (I actually like it) more widely used, > I think it would help a lot when there were at least a rudimentary UNIX > man or TDE help page. > > I remember I tried once before and gave up without asking. > > Kind regards, > Stefan > ____________________________________________________ > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt… Hi Stefan, By reading your explanation, it looks like kooldock is in "Auto Hide" mode. I see two ways to solve this: 1- When kooldock shows up, right-click on it. A menu should appear with "kooldock" as the last option. This will give access to the configuration in the "Edit Preferences". The first option is a checkbox named "Autohide". Uncheck it. 2- Quit kooldock (or kill it). Edit ~/.trinity/share/config/kooldockrc and set "Hidden" to 0. Restart kooldock. It should show up. Kind regards, Pascal

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Re: Can't seem to start kooldock
by midi-pascal 04 Jan '21

04 Jan '21

On 2021-01-04 5:16 a.m., Stefan Krusche via tde-users wrote: > Hi all, > > I just tried to start kooldock through the "Run command…" dialog but > nothing happens. It's not in the menus. It hasn't got a man page. I > think one time I added kooldock to kicker through the kontext menu and > the "Add miniprogram…" or "Add program…" dialogs but I can't reproduce > that. > > Kooldock is in the process list, though. > > $ ps aux | grep kooldock > stekru 3957 0.1 0.0 82900 29116 ? SN 10:48 0:02 kooldock > > Now I've run out of ideas. How can I utilize kooldock? > > Kind regards, > Stefan > ____________________________________________________ > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt… Hi Stefan, When kooldock is started for the first time, it is located at the bottom of the screen by default so it is "under" the TDE panel. That's why you do not see it. You can move the panel temporarily so you can see kooldock and configure it to be elsewhere on the screen. Then move the panel back to its original position. Regards, Pascal

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Can't seem to start kooldock
by Stefan Krusche 04 Jan '21

04 Jan '21

Hi all, I just tried to start kooldock through the "Run command…" dialog but nothing happens. It's not in the menus. It hasn't got a man page. I think one time I added kooldock to kicker through the kontext menu and the "Add miniprogram…" or "Add program…" dialogs but I can't reproduce that. Kooldock is in the process list, though. $ ps aux | grep kooldock stekru 3957 0.1 0.0 82900 29116 ? SN 10:48 0:02 kooldock Now I've run out of ideas. How can I utilize kooldock? Kind regards, Stefan

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CLA × DCO
by Slávek Banko 03 Jan '21

03 Jan '21

Hi all, with the arrival of the new year, in addition to wishing you good health and well-being, I open another topic for discussion - arrangement between the project and contributors. As with many other open source projects, there were concerns about patent trolls and other potential legal risks that led Tim to propose the use of a CLA (Contributor License Agreement) in 2014. The questions following the CLA's proposal were mainly technical and focused on how to confirm compliance with these arrangements for smaller contributors. The discussion that followed led to a consensus on the fact that it was essential for the contributors to add a "Signed-off-by:" line to their contributions. As a result, the "Signed-off-by" requirement is exactly the same as the one for the DCO (Developer Certificate of Origin). DCO is significantly simpler than a CLA and now used by a lot of open source projects. For these reasons, in recent years we have already been using DCO rather than CLA for all contributions made. We would like to officially declare the CLA obsolete and replace it by a DCO. This would actually officially reconcile the declared state and the way it is actually used. Therefore, I ask you if anyone is aware of any obstacles, why this could not be done? See the CLA discussion thread: https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/devels@trinitydesk… See DCO: https://developercertificate.org/ Cheers -- Slávek

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Re: Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 31 Dec '20

31 Dec '20

> Hi everyone. > > Unfortunately, I was forced to remove my installation of > Trinity/PCLinuxOS this morning, due to Firefox and Thunderbird not > working correctly. Specifically, Firefox was repeatedly asking to be the > default browser, even as I previously selected it as the default. And > Thunderbird, in the middle of all this, would no longer open links at > all, deciding to automatically add a new 'account' relating to news and > feeds. > > Both Vivaldi and Chromium were also installed as browsers, but once both > of these were removed, Firefox and Thunderbird continued to exhibit the > same behavior. > > Upon installing first Trinity/Ubuntu 20.04.1 and then Lubuntu 20.04 LTS, > I was unable to get HPLIP (as hp-setup) with either OS to communicate > with my HP printer, which was USB-connected. > > Final attempt, was to install Debian (10, LXQt). Fortunately, this was > able to detect the printer using hp-setup, however neither hp-systray > nor the HPLIP Toolbox (GUI) will launch. > > I am extremely hesitant to install Trinity on top of this Debian > installation, because I am afraid that with Konqueror included as the > default file manager, I will have the same issues with Firefox and > Thunderbird. I suspect that something with PCLOS may have changed, > causing it to detect both Firefox and Konqueror as web browsers, instead > of a web browser and a file manager. I don't know. > > I have been fiddling with this for the past seven hours now. I just want > it to work. > > Thanks in advance for any advice/suggestions/etc. > > > ____________________________________________________ Ok as a Big Daddy (PCLOS) user. I have some suggestions. I don't use the pclos package for FF or TB. I download from Mozilla directly and use those. Then go to preferences and manually check the default settings for both. I use a lot of HP printers. Great printers but they have their eccentricities. Try leaving the printers on during install. Or starting the HP tools getting to the printer detection dialog, then turn the printer on, off and on again. Make sure the USB is a good one. You can also use system-config-printer, which, IMO, is the best printer setup tool. The only time is doesn't always seem to work is when it's a HP network printer. I hope the above offers you something. However, wait for input from the rest of the collective. Be patient. Kate

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Migration of services - 12. etherpad
by Slávek Banko 29 Dec '20

29 Dec '20

Hi all, the twelfth, last, service on the migration list is Etherpad. -- Migration status -- Etherpad is a service that is located on the previous primary server, so we will need to decide how to proceed with this service. Etherpad was actively used only at the beginning of the project - last in 2012. Since then, the uses are very rare and insignificant. Therefore, it seems that it would be a useless effort to deal with the creation of a new instance and the migration of content. -- What needs to be done -- Because the "pads" that are there are more developer notes than data that would be useful to place on the main TDE wiki, we intended that useful information from the Etherpad could be placed on the wiki in TGW, which seems more suitable for developer notes. Data would not be lost, it would be in one place along with other developer discussions on issues and pull requests, and the Etherpad could be abandoned. -- More ideas and suggestions? What is your opinion on placing data from Etherpad to the wiki in TGW and leaving Etherpad? Do you know of any other services that we forgot when preparing the list of services for migration? Do you have any other ideas and suggestions? Cheers -- Slávek

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Migration of services - 11. build service
by Slávek Banko 29 Dec '20

29 Dec '20

Hi all, the eleventh service on the migration list is the build service. -- Migration status -- The previous build service used its own instance of Ubuntu Launchpad - you know it as QuickBuild. This is operated on the previous primary site, so it was necessary to deal with the change. In parallel, a second set of builders is used to build packages for PSB and PTB repositories. These builders are designed from the beginning to be completely independent of QuickBuild. This makes it easier to add new versions of distributions, other architectures and, above all, allows these builders to run sustainably. After changing the primary archive, official packages are no longer published from QuickBuild, but from PSB. This is starting with TDE R14.0.7. Therefore, QuickBuild is no longer used to build official packages and there is no need to deal with its migration. From a technical point of view: The reprepro tool is now used to manage all APT repositories. Sbuild (with schroot) is used to build binary packages. The inoticoming tool is used to automate the import of packages (both source and binary) into reprepro. -- What needs to be done -- QuickBuild provided build tasks management and a web interface for finding packages, monitoring build status, and viewing build logs. Such a web interface is not available for the currently used reprepro + sbuild. Because Launchpad is too extensive - it provides many services that we don't need and don't want to use, there is no intention to set up a new Launchpad instance as a replacement for QuickBuild. Originally I was hoping that mini-buildd could be a good replacement because it also uses reprepro + sbuild. But after an initial thorough research and testing, I found that the mini-buildd is designed with many limitations that make it unsuitable for us. It is not possible to remove these limitations, as this would require a fundamental change in the concept of mini-buildd operation. That's why I stopped further research of mini-buildd. Since I have not found any other usable existing solution, it seems that we will need to design and create our own solution here. Although it is not a high priority now, it is an important step, because the current build service is completely dependent on me. I already have some ideas, but so far there was not enough time for me to start making the first components. -- More ideas and suggestions? Because the current state of the build service has been working well for a long time - many years for PSB and PTB, starting with R14.0.7 also for official packages, I suggest to focus efforts on other migration tasks first. And leave the build service improvements for later. Do you have any other ideas and suggestions? Cheers -- Slávek

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kmix - audacity - hiss & feedback when recording
by William Morder 28 Dec '20

28 Dec '20

Just wondering if anybody else here has encountered this problem, and what to do about it. When I play an instrument through kmix, I must enable loopback mixing, but this creates a hiss in the speakers, which in turn tends to create feedback -- in particular, when I plug in a hollow-body electric guitar. This has only been a problem since I upgraded from Devuan Jessie. I used to play through my computer speakers all the time, using them like a guitar amplifier. (There is another device, a headphone amplifier, which I use as a kind of pre-amp.) But otherwise, nothing in my setup has changed, except that I have upgraded to Devuan Beowulf. I would like to get rid of that hiss, and I don't remember having to enable loopback mixing before. I have only recorded a little since upgrading (using audacity), but it doesn't seem to affect recording quality too much, because I plug headphones into my computer speakers, which eliminates both hiss & feedback problems. Sorry for the detailed presentation; feel free to snip. The main problem is kmix-trinity, and whether anything has changed between Devuan Jessie and Beowulf, namely, loopback mixing. Or have I somehow misconfigured it? Bill

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keepassx crashes - due to Qt4-TDEStyle
by William Morder 28 Dec '20

28 Dec '20

Never before had any problems with keepass or keepassx or any of its variants; not when running TDE or other desktops, not when using it on Android, etc. But now it crashes every time I try to open it. I've attached a screenshot which shows the error message. Does anybody have a clue what is the problem? Bill

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Migration of services - 10. primary archive
by Slávek Banko 23 Dec '20

23 Dec '20

Hi all, the tenth service on the migration list is the primary archive. -- Migration status -- The change of the primary archive was made before the release of R14.0.7 (in October 2019). This removed the dependency of the primary archive on QuickBuild, which made it possible to make a change in the archive layout and cleanup. The reprepro tool is now used to manage repositories of deb packages, which allows us to publish new releases very smoothly. Thanks to the use of reprepro, Contents files for apt-file are also available. Because the primary archive is too large to be placed on a tde-box or tde-vps, it is located on my home server. In order to reduce the size for the mirror system, packages of older versions are excluded. I would like to thank those who provides mirrors for our repositories, and especially Mike Bird for his efforts and attention in managing the primary mirror and overseeing the status of other mirrors. -- What needs to be done -- We may consider placing the primary archive in a hosting center - for example, by purchasing larger disks for tde-box or by increasing the space provided for tde-vps. However, it will probably be a good idea to consider such changes only after we are able to manage the project funds and accept donations. -- More ideas and suggestions? Do you have any other ideas and suggestions? Cheers -- Slávek

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Trinity Desktop Install on Fedora 33 instructions needed.
by Brian Durant 22 Dec '20

22 Dec '20

I would like to install Trinity Desktop on Fedora 33, but have so far been unsuccessful. Please provide the correct command for adding the repository properly for Fedora 33. Thanks.

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Weird toolbar issues in kMail and Kate
by J Leslie Turriff 22 Dec '20

22 Dec '20

A while ago I wanted to try placing my kMail toolbar on the right side of the main window (I normally keep it on the left). When I decided that wasn't helpful I tried to move it back, but it didn't want to; stayed on the right side. I eventually got it to go back again (somehow), but now whenever I open kMail it's collapsed (just showing the handle at top left below the menu) and I have to expand it each time kMail starts. Any suggestions for fixing that? Also, in Kate, which has multiple, somehow nested, toolbars, I'm having trouble getting it to put the various buttons where I want them. In my 'gaming' account they're set the way I find most convenient, with the Save, Close and Quit buttons together, but in my 'working' account they stubbornly refuse to associate. (See attached screenshots.) What controls where these buttons appear in the toolbar? Leslie

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Trinity Help Center printing question
by J Leslie Turriff 22 Dec '20

22 Dec '20

I want to print the manual for an application from the Trinity Help Center. If I click on the printer icon in the toolbar the dialog window says "all pages". Is that all pages for the application being viewed, or all pages for the Help Center? I looked at the handbook for the Help Center itself, but for printing it says "Print the contents of the currently visible page." Confusion reigns. Leslie

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Eliminating Caption Bars
by Forrest Leeson 21 Dec '20

21 Dec '20

Selecting Advanced|No Border from the window operations menu will remove the caption bar from a window. In theory you can set a preference through Special Window Settings / Special Application Settings to do this automatically, but it doesn't always work: e.g., LibreOffice windows respond to the window operations menu, but setting SWS and SAS preferences does nothing. I wonder why? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: Amrecover hangs after restore
by Gene Heskett 21 Dec '20

21 Dec '20

On Saturday 19 December 2020 03:32:07 Gene Heskett wrote: Now I need some cross permissions help. I have added two dcop commands to my backup.sh that are: /opt/trinity/bin/dcop kmail KMailIface pauseBackgroundJobs and: /opt/trinity/bin/dcop kmail KMailIface resumeBackgroundJobs Specified as Cmdholdit and Cmdresume and called as $Comdholdit and $Cmdresume But this script run as amanada, who is part of the backup group and this error or generated: ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! when backup.sh is launched by amanda. I interpret this error to mean that amanda does not have rights to use dcop. I, as user 1000 do, that command works without any reported error for me. So, how do I add the backup group (or the user amanda) to the list of users who can access dcop and send kmail a msg? Thanks. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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Re: Trinity mirror
by Mike Bird 21 Dec '20

21 Dec '20

On Sun December 20 2020 20:01:01 Michael wrote: > I usually just use bash/rsync/tarballs for rotating backups, so if you have > a favorite guide on how you guys setup your mirrors, please send me it's > link. I just run rsync and then sleep 10800. If things are real busy before a release I sleep 1800 instead. Our servers all have a line for perpetual jobs in /etc/inittab so we don't worry about the job dying and not respawning: yp:12345:respawn:/root/perpetual My bash script looks like this. You may prefer something a bit different. Check with Slávek whether he prefers secondaries to pull from tde-mirror.yosemite.net or whether he has an alias in his DNS that he would prefer you to use. MAILTO=someaddress(a)yosemite.net PATH=/bin:/usr/bin AUX='--temp-dir=/ARCHIVE/TDE/trinity.temp/' BWLIMIT=0 DST='/ARCHIVE/TDE/trinity/' EXCLUSIONS='' SRC='archive.trinitydesktop.net::trinity/' su --shell=/bin/bash --command='(date; time rsync --bwlimit='"${BWLIMIT}"' -aHv --delay-updates --delete --delete-after --max-delete=5000 '"${AUX}"' '"${EXCLUSIONS}"' '"${SRC}"' '"${DST}"'; df -h /ARCHIVE/TDE; date) 2>&1 | mail someaddress(a)yosemite.net -s "TDE Sync"' -- www-data; sleep 10800 Mirrors are not expected to be perfect or secure. Missing files are handled by a redirector and corrupted files are handled by signatures. Then you'd need to configure your server to provide the files via at least http and maybe also rsync. When ready tell Slávek and he'll add you to the mirror list. I also monitor my mirror with Nagios and a cronjob sends me a simple daily status report with output from df and some checks on the secondary mirrors. --Mike

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Migration of services - 4. wiki
by Slávek Banko 21 Dec '20

21 Dec '20

Hi all, the fifth service on the migration list is wiki. -- Migration status -- A new wiki has been created, data from the existing one has been migrated. User accounts have not been migrated, so users must create new ones. -- What needs to be done -- A new TDE skin remains to be created. Some wiki pages deserve to be updated - for example, Project RoadMap, Nightly Builds,... I have an idea that pages with information about individual applications could be created in the wiki, so that an overview of these pages can replace the list of applications, which is statically on the main web. -- More ideas and suggestions? Does everything work fine with the new mailing lists? Do you have any other ideas and suggestions? Cheers -- Slávek

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Re: Pixelated Icons - Trinity/PCLinuxOS
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 20 Dec '20

20 Dec '20

> On 12/19/20 9:15 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > https://iconarchive.com/tag/firefox > > https://www.iconarchive.com/search?q=thunderbird > > Thanks for the links. unfortunately, neither page had the most current > icons for the apps. > > I suspect that there is an issue with the panel in PCLOS, since the same > displays perfectly with Debian and Ubuntu. Perhaps Alie can look at it. > > > > > ____________________________________________________ I don't have that problem and I'm using Alie's roll. Hunt for "firefox icons" on the net. good luck Kate

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kmail vs amanda problem
by Gene Heskett 20 Dec '20

20 Dec '20

Greetings all; From time to time, kmail does some expiry housekeeping duringthe nightly amanda run, and the disappearing files make amanda spam the logs as follows: STRANGE DUMP DETAILS: /-- coyote /home/gene/Mail lev 0 STRANGE sendbackup: info BACKUP=APPLICATION sendbackup: info APPLICATION=amgtar sendbackup: info RECOVER_CMD=/bin/gzip -dc |/usr/local/libexec/amanda/application/amgtar restore [./file-to-restore]+ sendbackup: info COMPRESS_SUFFIX=.gz sendbackup: info end ? /bin/tar: ./amanda-stf/cur/1608262193.22812.fKbeO: File removed before we read it ? /bin/tar: ./amanda-stf/cur/1608264371.22812.1lf78: File removed before we read it ? /bin/tar: ./amanda-stf/cur/1608264614.22812.zFEou: File removed before we read it | Total bytes written: 6440765440 (6.0GiB, 17MiB/s) sendbackup: size 6289810 sendbackup: native-CRC 9c31bc0e:6440765440 sendbackup: client-CRC 812cf14e:3061318853 sendbackup: end \-------- Is there a dbus command my amanda script can send to tell amanda to hold off expiry till amanda is done? Might be over an hour of expiry holdoff needed at times. Thanks all; Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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Re: Pixelated Icons - Trinity/PCLinuxOS
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 20 Dec '20

20 Dec '20

> On 12/19/20 8:41 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > ok but FF and TB may not have icons that big. Try downloading custom icons, > > large ones, and then right click on the buttons, choose configure and point > > them to the test icons. See what happens. > > > > Kate > > No idea where to get custom icons. In /usr/share/icons/hicolor, 32x32 is > the largest that has an icon for both Firefox and Thunderbird, but there > is no setting to change the icon. Right-clicking any of them, brings up > a menu Add (and Remove) Application and Configure Quicklauncher. > > Configure Quicklauncher will let you change the size of the icon /in/ > the Quicklauncher, otherwise has no affect on the icon displayed in the > mouse-over bubble. > > ____________________________________________________ https://iconarchive.com/tag/firefox https://www.iconarchive.com/search?q=thunderbird Kate

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Re: Pixelated Icons - Trinity/PCLinuxOS
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 20 Dec '20

20 Dec '20

> Hi. > > I added Firefox and Thunderbird to the Quicklauncher under > Trinity/PCLinuxOS. Once the icons are moused-over, the icons that appear > in the bubbles above them, are pixelated. The other icons in the > launcher (Synaptic, Konsole, Home, Konqueror and Show Desktop) appear fine. > > When I added the same to my Trinity Debian and Ubuntu desktops, the same > icons appeared fine. > > Could there be something different about the Firefox and Thunderbird > icons with PCLinuxOS? In the TDE Menu editor, the icons displayed fine > > Thanks in advance. > > Ed > > ____________________________________________________ Hi Ed, This happens to me when I use size 16 icons. Right click on them and see if you want change the icon to a bigger size. I sometimes use custom icons in a local dir /foo/IconSets etc. You can download a large icon for each and direct the .desktop to those icons. I hope I explained it well enough. Kate

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Pixelated Icons - Trinity/PCLinuxOS
by Edward 19 Dec '20

19 Dec '20

Hi. I added Firefox and Thunderbird to the Quicklauncher under Trinity/PCLinuxOS. Once the icons are moused-over, the icons that appear in the bubbles above them, are pixelated. The other icons in the launcher (Synaptic, Konsole, Home, Konqueror and Show Desktop) appear fine. When I added the same to my Trinity Debian and Ubuntu desktops, the same icons appeared fine. Could there be something different about the Firefox and Thunderbird icons with PCLinuxOS? In the TDE Menu editor, the icons displayed fine Thanks in advance. Ed

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Startup Applications - Trinity/PCLinuxOS
by Edward 17 Dec '20

17 Dec '20

Is there a specific menu selection in Trinity to review or select any startup applications? I'm specifically trying to get hp-systray (HP Device Manager system tray icon) to load in at each login under PCLinuxOS and I'm not seeing any menu selections specific to startup applications. nor anything under either Trinity Control Center or PCLinuxOS Control Center. The Preferences in the HP Device Manager show it is set to 'always show' and it will display in the PCLOS panel once the Device Manager is manually launched, but at the next login, it doesn't load. In my Trinity Debian and Ubuntu Trinity installs, it loads in at each login. Thanks in advance.

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Migration of services - 9. patchwork
by Slávek Banko 15 Dec '20

15 Dec '20

Hi all, the ninth on the list of services to migrate - patchwork - is more of a small trip into history. -- Migration status -- Is there any of you who remembers patchwork? Has anyone ever used it? The purpose of this service was to pick patches sent to the mailing list and allow them to be revised: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patchwork_(software) The service was on an old primary server, so it might appear to be the subject of migration. However, this service was probably never used and its purpose was completely replaced by TGW. Therefore, there is no reason to devote any effort to this service. Just a quiet memory. -- What needs to be done -- You may have noticed that I have been talking about this service for the past. The reason is that the service is currently broken anyway - it returns code 500 - see https://patchwork.trinitydesktop.org/ So there is no need to do anything to migrate this service. At most, there can be a deleted DNS record. -- More ideas and suggestions? Does anyone have any objections or other suggestions? Cheers -- Slávek

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Creating new bug reports as issues in TGW
by Slávek Banko 14 Dec '20

14 Dec '20

Hi all, for those who are not subscribed to tde-announcements, you might be interested in information about redirecting the creation of new bug reports from Bugzilla to Issues in TGW: https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/announcements@trin… Cheers Slávek --

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Migration of services - 8. crash reports storage
by Slávek Banko 13 Dec '20

13 Dec '20

Hi all, the eighth service on the list of services to migrate is Crash report storage. -- Migration status -- While for previous services here I could bring positive information, now it's time for a service that is very sad. Because this service resides on old primary server, it requires migration. Unfortunately, we do not currently have any information about this service - nor the source code for server side. Therefore in the current state of service, we can not ensure the issuance of a new ssl certificate. For everything, we must be able to contact Tim. Other problems are that the web interface is unfinished, making it difficult to use. It is not possible to mark a records as completed. At the same time, retrieving the list is often not complete, so there is an increased effort required to obtain the latest records. Many records are generated without the presence of debug symbols, so their usefulness is reduced. -- What needs to be done -- We have to decide what to do next with this service. We will either need to obtain the source code and data of existing records so that we can migrate the service and then work on improving it. Or we could implement the server side of the service from scratch, based on the client side code in tdelibs. Or we can look for a similar service with a GPL license and the ability to install on our server. In any case, it will probably take a lot of effort here to make the service useful. -- More ideas and suggestions? Do you have any other ideas and suggestions? Do you know of any open source solutions that could serve our purpose? Cheers -- Slávek

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Migration of services - 7. automation scripts
by Slávek Banko 11 Dec '20

11 Dec '20

Hi all, the seventh service on the migration list is automation scripts. -- Migration status -- Previously, on the former primary server, automation scripts provided updating of submodules in the master branch in the main 'tde' module, updating clones of repositories for the CGit interface, and generating data for the Commit history page and. Along with the launch of TGW, automation scripts were run on the VPS machine. These scripts now provide not only an update of the master branch, but of all main branches. The CGit interface no longer needs a separate update of the repositories because it displays the repositories directly from the TGW. Processing is now faster and takes place every hour. In case of changes in the common admin or cmake module, it may take longer to process all branches. -- What needs to be done -- In addition to processing submodules, a script for updating translations is run regularly here. This script updates the POT files and merges the translations from the master branch to the stable branch. Currently, this script is initialized manually, because when updating POT templates, TWTW automatically provides an update of PO files, which may take some undefined time. At the same time, it requires that packages be installed that would not otherwise be installed on a public server (such as Xserver screen savers). However, even for this script, it is intended that its execution can be automated. Another thing that will be useful to automate is the update of Summary issues in TGW. -- More ideas and suggestions? Do you have any other ideas and suggestions? Cheers -- Slávek

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In a TDM theme's xml file, what does @@@TDEBACKGROUND@@@ point to?
by J Leslie Turriff 09 Dec '20

09 Dec '20

I'm trying to write a custom theme file for TDM, using os_enterprise theme as an example. It contains | <greeter> | <item type="pixmap" > | <normal file="@@@TDMBACKGROUND@@@" /> | : to define the login screen's background. I've looked through the various TDE handbooks and poked around on the wiki, but nothing mentions this symbol. (In fact, the only page in the wiki that I found that discusses the internals of theme files seems to be out of date, since it talks about Theme.rc files, whereas the control file in each /opt/trinity/share/apps/tdm/themes subdirectory is an xml file. When the os_enterprise theme is active its display looks like its preview.png, even if the background.png file is different; so what is @@@TDEBACKGROUND@@@ pointing to? Leslie

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cannot run apt-get upgrade, mirror not found
by Uwe Brauer 09 Dec '20

09 Dec '20

Hi I am on Ubuntu 16.04. When running sudo apt-get upgrade I obtain The following packages will be upgraded: akregator-trinity amarok-common Etc all together some 66 packages Then saying yes WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! Then even saying yes I obtain Err:11 http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-sb xenial/main-r14 amd64 kate-trinity amd64 4:14.0.10~pre13-0ubuntu16.04.0+1 404 Not Found Can somebody please tell me what is wrong here? Thanks and regards Uwe Brauer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: [tde-devels] [OT] Qt6
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 08 Dec '20

08 Dec '20

> Not sure if someone is interested, thus OT, but I just read Qt6 was released > > https://www.qt.io/product/qt6 > > > ____________________________________________________ > tde-devels mailing list -- devels(a)trinitydesktop.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devels-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/devels@trinitydesk… > Cool. Thanks Kate

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Suggestion to improve TDE/Ubuntu image
by Edward 08 Dec '20

08 Dec '20

Since installing the TDE/Ubuntu 20.04.1 image (in a VirtualBox), it had not displayed the GRUB boot menu, it displays a couple of lines (as if it were a terminal window), then goes straight to the Ubuntu splash screen. The beginning of the original /etc/default/grub file was: GRUB_DEFAULT="0" GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE="hidden" GRUB_TIMEOUT="0" GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" I manually made the following changes: * removed: GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE="hidden" * made: GRUB_TIMEOUT="5" then ran update-grub and rebooted. The GRUB menu now appears. I would like to offer a friendly suggestion that for future TDE/Ubuntu images, if this is possible to do, the default grub file not contain GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE="hidden" and the GRUB_TIMEOUT entry be set to at least 3. Please note that I do not know if the original default items copied above, is the actual standard for all Ubuntu images. Ubuntu offers a package grub-customizer. When I looked at that, the General settings indicated the GRUB menu was set to display, but it seems that the GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE="hidden" entry overrides that and was preventing it from displaying. After saving the settings in grub-customizer, GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE="hidden" was still in /etc/default/grub.

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Upgrading Trinity with Debian
by Edward 07 Dec '20

07 Dec '20

Debian released version 10.7 yesterday and I decided to install Debian on my other desktop directly, as I saw no need for two of the same distro to be installed, as I'm not really testing anything. Debian required a non-free firmware package for it to recognize the AMD Radeon video and once that was installed and system rebooted, the graphical desktop came up fine and I was then able to install Trinity. When Debian 11 (bullseye) is officially released next year, is it best to wait and upgrade everything (Debian and Trinity packages) at the same time? I do not know if it is safe to upgrade just Debian to bullseye, if the Trinity packages for bullseye were not yet available at the same time. I am aware that Debian 10 is being supported for five years from the date it was initially released. Thanks in advance. -- This message was sent using virtual technology.

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Migration of services - 6. Weblate
by Slávek Banko 07 Dec '20

07 Dec '20

Hi all, to move forward on the list of service migrations, we have the sixth item here - Weblate. -- Migration status -- TDE Weblate Translation Workspace (TWTW) is a new service that was set up on VPS. It is fully functional and therefore there is currently no need to address its migration. -- What needs to be done -- The second stage of TWTW integration is currently underway. This is adding translations for desktop style files. Only modules that are built with CMake are added, because merging translations into desktop files is not done by some external magic script, but by intltool-merge during build. We then envisage a third level of integration, for the translation of documentation and manual pages. However, it will first require preparing CMake macros to handle the documentation and to merge translations of the documentation and manual pages during build. If this proves to be useful, we can consider a TDE skin for TWTW. However, this is a matter that currently has no priority. -- More ideas and suggestions? Does everything work fine with the TWTW? Do you have any other ideas and suggestions? Cheers -- Slávek

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Migration of services - 5. bugzilla
by Slávek Banko 07 Dec '20

07 Dec '20

Hi all, the fifth service on the migration list is Bugzilla. For the Bugzilla, the situation is significantly different, because we need to discuss here before any steps are taken. -- Migration status -- Bugzilla is on Tim's original infrastructure. Therefore, no one else can manage the current instance. And there are various issues that we are currently unable to resolve, such as problem with login when https is used. So it definitely needs some change. -- What needs to be done -- First of all, we need to discuss and decide whether we want to continue using Bugzilla. As mentioned earlier, TGW is now used as a comprehensive workspace. And TGW contains Issues that can be used instead of bug reports in a separate Bugzilla. There are several benefits to using Issues. Above all, Issues are well integrated into the development workflow. It also provides good comfort - for example, it is possible to use comment formatting to make it more readable and clear. At the same time, it seems like a good idea to use one problem reporting tool rather than two independent ones. If we find a consensus that there is no significant reason to use Bugzilla, we need to decide how to deal with existing bug reports. There are two options: 1) Migrate Bugzilla to a new instance, which will be locked for adding new bug reports. This can be done more easily. However, the problem remains that there will continue to be two places for users to look for problem reports. 2) Migrate bug reports from Bugzilla into Issues in TGW and then stop Bugzilla completely. Although it is likely to be more difficult to do, I think it would be a better solution. -- More ideas and suggestions? What is your opinion on Bugzilla migration? Do you have any other ideas and suggestions? Cheers -- Slávek

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compositing
by Felix Miata 05 Dec '20

05 Dec '20

I see no option to turn compositing on or off in KControl's display settings. Is there one somewhere else? Does TDE never use it? -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

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TDE, ALSA and a seperate mic ...
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 05 Dec '20

05 Dec '20

Hi all! I've an interesting problem: On my T14 the speakers are on hw:0 and are linked to the speaker-led (led on: mute, led-off: unmute - looks like a hardware thingie as toggling the led toggles the speaker). And there's a ghost-mic on hw:0 that looks like a loopback device from PCM-out to sound-input. HDMI is on hw:1 and does nothing useful (no HDMI monitor attached). The onboard mic is hw:2,0 - it's offically recognised as "asc" without any controls (not even on/off). It's also detached from the mic led - I can toggle the LED but the mic stays on. Now kmix sees hw:0 and hw:1, but not hw:2 - and krec cannot capture sound. Audacity sees hw:0 + hw:1 + hw:2 and can record sound. Is there a trick to make TDE aware of that "asc" mic? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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