tde-users May 2024

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23 May '24

hi, everybody . . . first, the discussion of kmail passwords has puzzled me a little. for *decades* i've set up kmail to store my password, and have not been prompted about it since. i vaguely remember being prompted for kwallet at one time or another, usually when logging in to Proton VPN, but that's not happened in a long time, either. in that i've had the same configuration for years, i can't remember what i did to bring this about. what i have encountered instead is another issue that might be kmail or it might be something else. it is sufficiently strange that it might be of interest, so i'll describe it. i use ProtonMail. i hate webmail, so am happy that there is an application, ProtonMail Bridge, that does the heavy lifting as to login, encryption, and so on. it logs into the server, and kmail logs into it. kmail goes to 127.0.0.1 for the mail. the bridge application goes out and uses the mile-long ProtonMail password to log in to the server. the bridge is supported for thunderbird and a couple of other mail clients of which kmail is not one, but the setup is pretty straightforward except for one thing. frequently -- not always, but often -- my kmail inbox gets not just the mail but phantom copies of it. in the same mail run it might get 20 messages with six of them seemingly doubled. one of the two is the email message, no problem, while the other one is blank. the blank one has peculiar aspects. for one thing, i can't delete it in the normal way. i delete it, but it doesn't go away. instead, it has a line struck through it in the message list. when i restart kmail later, it is now gone. if i haven't deleted it, it is still there. probably unrelated, every so often, maybe once a month, a mail check will cause an eruption of mail going back a couple months, and i get old mail all over again. as i said, this is probably not kmail-caused. i mention it because maybe someone here will say, "hey! i know what that is!" and mention something i've missed. sadly, for all its goodness Proton is happy to cling to the "that client is unsupported" excuse. another oddity involves my keyboard, which i like very much -- nice and loud -- but it is a USB keyboard. it behaves strangely: it works just fine, as now, but then after a few days it doesn't seem to register some keys and endlessly repeats others. but i don't think it's the keyboard, in that rebooting fixes it 100 percent of the time, for a few more days. any guesses? -- dep Pictures: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/depscribe/album Column: https://ofb.biz/author/dep/

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Re: EVO to KMAIL
by c. marlow 23 May '24

23 May '24

In my last email I asked: " How do you delete those local folders to set up KMAIL as MAIL DIR?" It looks like the local folders that are there now, use .mbx format, because I see a COMPACT option, when you right click on the folders. I am also needing to know how do I set up a MAILDIR directory to copy over from Evolution to KMAIL? Thanks, Chris CM030(a)YAHOO.COM

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Monitors plural gamma channels plural?
by Mike Bird 22 May '24

22 May '24

I have been trying and failing to get my three monitors, two of which are ancient and all of which are different, to produce matching colors. I'm using the NVIDIA non-free driver. For purposes of this discussion let's ignore the hardware color controls (which are inadequate). I can use the NVIDIA X Server Settings utility which has excellent controls for R, G, and B but intermittently tells me that something else has changed the color settings. I can use Trinity Control Center / Peripherals / Display but the Monitor Gamma function affects all three monitors simultaneously. Unlike other gamma controls that seem to prefer a number near 2.2, this seems to prefer a number near 1. I can use Trinity Control Center / System Administration / / Monitor & Display which purports to control the three monitors separately but the instant I move any gamma control by the smallest increment my right-hand monitor (no matter which monitor I have selected) looks like a 1980's CGA display. (This can be fixed by rebooting or by starting the NVIDIA X Server Settings utility.) There is also Trinity Control Center / Peripherals / Color Profile which I have not used, and where everything is unchecked in hopes of not confusing myself even further. I have been unable to find anything online by searching, although some CGA-like scrambling was mentioned in passing in this thread: https://www.spinics.net/lists/trinity-users/msg11883.html Can anyone point me to information on how TDE gamma controls work, how they are supposed to be used, and/or how to stop whatever in the background is overriding NVIDIA X Server Settings? Thanks! --Mike

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tdewallet and KeepassXC
by J Leslie Turriff 22 May '24

22 May '24

I found this while looking for a way to integrate tdewallet with KeepassXC. It's sort of backward from what I wanted, but might be useful. https://superuser.com/questions/1217643/is-it-possible-to-use-kwallet-with-… Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.5 - x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.1.2 tde-config: 1.0

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Panel taskbar buttons
by Darrell Anderson 21 May '24

21 May '24

Is there a way to configure the taskbar buttons with some feedback when arranging to a different position among the other buttons? I have the taskbar configured to allow manually arranging buttons, but when I do this there is no feedback during the dragging until I drop the button. Just wondering whether I have something misconfigured. Thanks.

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Proposed Wiki Changes
by Darrell Anderson 21 May '24

21 May '24

Please comment, clarify, or improve. Thanks. https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#About_TQt and https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#Configure_and… ADD: ==== Although c++11 (and c++17) are supported in TDE, users compiling automake packages for systems with older versions of gcc might require explicitly declaring compatibility with '-std=c++11'. ============ https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#Other_Require… ADD: ==== Many TDE packages add features based on installing additional distro packages. For many people this approach is encouraged for a more robust desktop environment, but a good starting point is with a clean stock distro install and add supporting packages as needed. To avoid potential conflicts, compiling TDE probably is best done in an environment that does not contain any KDE related packages. ============ https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#Coexisting_wi… and https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Tips_And_Tricks#Look_and_feel ADD: ==== Some stand-alone Qt5 software (not necessarily KDE software) might not render toolbars, fonts, and colors correctly within TDE. Some users have found that installing the 'qt5ct' package helps improve the appearance of Qt5 software. While the qt5ct environment variable QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME can be exported globally to all users system-wide, a more suitable place to export the variable is $TDEHOME/env/qt5ct.sh. This limits the effects of qt5ct to each user and allows each user to customize the desired Qt5 features as desired. ============ https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#Build_Times DELETE the section.

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TDE and vintage computers
by Darrell Anderson 21 May '24

21 May '24

I would like to offer that with my efforts to build TDE on vintage systems, I built TDE R14.1.2 on Slackware 14.2 64-bit (gcc 5.5.0) and Slackware 14.1 32-bit (gcc 4.8.2). Both systems are EOL as of Dec. 2023. I did not build every package but core dependencies and packages built and run. I had to find some patches to back port. For example, some patches related to hotpluggable hwlib and ensuring '-std=c++11' is declared with tqt3. These days my brain is entrenched in old fart elderly territory and I have my days exhibiting grumpy old man traits. I have been out of the loop for many years with this kind of development and tend to lose patience easily. That said, that I have built the latest TDE on vintage systems is remarkable. Dare I say that the 14.1 builds are running on Pentium I/II single core systems with less than 512 MB of RAM and a 3.10.107 kernel? A tad slow? Yes, but everything functions and the slowness is mostly caused by PATA drives. I am impressed with the developers far more than a grumpy old man being able to build TDE on vintage systems. Good job devs. :)

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Re: TDE's Backstory and purpose
by Chris M 21 May '24

21 May '24

On Fri, 2024-05-17 at 11:19 -0500, Chris M wrote: > In regards to Nik's post about The Orgins of KDE: > > I am curious to know what's the backstory on TDE? > Why is KDE 3.5 being kept alive all of these years later? > And what is TDE's Purpose? > > I LOOOOOOOVED KDE 3.5 back in the day, but , I could never get KDE 3 > to work right on my machine, like making it see the CDROM etc. > But, when I found GNOME2 on Ubuntu 10.10 that became my home, then > Unity, and KDE 5 for a little while, TDE for about a week, and MATE > for the longest. And now im back to trying TDE. > The reason that I asked this question yesterday, is because, I LOVED KDE 3, but i'm scared to run TDE. I've been reading on Reddit about TDE and read about how NO Linux distro will carry TDE because its a liability due to some kind of " Internet Stacks" still using KDE 3 code, and how unsafe it is, and how running TDE would be like connecting a Windows 98 PC to the internet without a firewall etc. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------- > Thanks, > Chris > > OFF LIST: CM030(a)YAHOO.COM > > * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* > > * LMDE 6 "Faye"*~~~* TDE Desktop ( TRINITY ) instead of > Cinnamon*~~~* > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Thanks, Chris OFF LIST: CM030(a)YAHOO.COM * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* * LMDE 6 "Faye"*~~~* TDE Desktop ( TRINITY ) instead of Cinnamon*~~~*

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Password Manager constantly asking for password at launch.
by Chris M 21 May '24

21 May '24

I am just curious, is KMAIL supposed to pop up the KWALLET app asking for the password everytime I launch KMAIL? If not, its kinda annoying, how do I fix it? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Chris OFF LIST: CM030(a)YAHOO.COM * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~

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origin of kdesktop ...
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 20 May '24

20 May '24

Hi all! Does anybody remember why KDE introduced the "kdesktop" window and did not use the X11 root windows for it's job? I just noticed that this "kdesktop" is (again) on front of the conky window and I was unpleasently remembered of that strange decision from ages ago. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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