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Trinity Usage Poll
by Timothy Pearson 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

All, The Trinity Desktop Environment development team is attempting to find out which distributions and version Trinity is currently installed and used on, so that we may focus our efforts on improving compatibility with those distributions. We politely ask that you add your distribution to the informal poll on the Wiki here: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Community/UsageSurvey2011 If your distribution is already listed, please increment the number of users for that distribution by one (1). If more than one individual in your household is using that distribution, please increment the number of users by the number of users in your household. Also, if you use more than one distribution, please increment the number of users appropriately for each distribution in use. The results of this poll will also help the Trinity development team decide which distributions are too old or little-used to be supported in future Trinity release, so please cast your vote if you want to see your distribution supported in the future. Thank you, Timothy Pearson Trinity Desktop Environment Development Team

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Disabling smooth scrolling
by Serghei Amelian 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

Hi, Anybody knows how to disable smooth scroll in konqueror and kmail? Is useless and very annoying, I propose to disable smooth scrolling by default. -- Serghei

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[trinity-users] Squeeze/Trinity Live CD
by David Hare 16 Jan '11

16 Jan '11

I have spent some time developing a Squeeze live-cd with Trinity. Why? Because there is nothing out there in the mainstream that I like and I have seen no Squeeze/Trinity live-cd elsewhere yet. It is named Exe Linux as I live beside the Exe Estuary in Devon, England. It might be a good starting point or demonstration for anyone who is interested but is unsure of running Trinity on Squeeze. The result has (to the best of my knowledge) strictly GPL software. Some custom themes, configurations and scripts are included but are debianized, i.e. they can be removed/replaced by apt (for example extra live-config scripts to support Trinity autologin and locale/language) and should not conflict with Squeeze core system components The live cd has an optional integrated installer (hacked remastersys) for HD and a custom CLI script for USB persistent pendrive. It is built "from scratch" using custom scripts, debbootstrap and GNU tools (not live-helper nor remastersys) and is not a "remaster" of anything else. The build scripts are included in the live-cd but are experimental and, misused, could trash a running system. If you want to try a remaster better use remastersys (and please don't request support from remastersys forums because a hacked version is used). Three locales/languages are built-in (US, GB and ES) No more fit the CD without removing one. If there is any interest I would like to make this available to Trinity users, perhaps later in the "community downloads" section. In the meantime the current ISO (685MB) is available here (can paste this in a terminal): wget -c "http://exe-linux.fastfishwebsolutions.com/trinity/exelinux_squeeze_trinity_…" md5sum: wget -c "http://exe-linux.fastfishwebsolutions.com/trinity/md5sum_exelinux_squeeze_t…" Disclaimer: This is *not* an official Trinity project. There are probably some bugs. There is some scrappy and probably out-of-date documentation. Use at your own risk.

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Re: [trinity-users] Thoughts & wishes about the Trinity project status and its future...
by Timothy Pearson 15 Jan '11

15 Jan '11

> Hi, > I have a few questions about the Trinity project status,(part of them seem to have been partially discussed on the list): > - Is Trinity endorsed in any way by the KDE project (except the share > of sources repository)? Not that I know of. > - Are there original KDE3 developpers involved in Trinity development? > If so, I'd really like to know if they do it because KDE4 broke too much things (and/or they consider a desktop environment should not break things this way)? Only incidentally, in that I pull updates from the kdepim Enterprise branch, which is still maintained by an original KDE3 developer/development team. > - What are the long term perspectives about Trinity? > Will Trinity become something different than KDE3 or it keep it as > close as possible? As close as possible in terms of look and feel, but new features will still be added where they would improve the functionality of the desktop environment (e.g. krandrtray). Users can always disable new features from the control panel, as providing that option is a requirement for patch submission. > I mean, the move from KDE3 to KDE4 changed & broke a lots of things > that I used to work with since 2004. I'd really like a desktop > environment that doesn't change too much, that keeps its basis stable (eg. themes can evolve, apps be improved, but keep it functionally the same!). > By the end, I really think it's a matter of "respect for users": if one changes things like KDE4 did, what do we have to think about respect they have (or don't have) for their users? OK KDE4 is beautiful, etc. but it's deaply another desktop environment (also deeply slow in some particular configurations such as konsole/nvidia ships), so why should I continue to use KDE desktops? I almost think KDE4 should have change its name to something else OR... KDE3 should have been officially > maintained... or Trinity officially endorsed (is that the case?)! KDE won't change its name, but KDE3 has changed its name to Trinity. So, KDE3 == Trinity, KDE == KDE4, but KDE3 != KDE4. > So, what's going on? > Thank you, > Nicolas > PS: Do you have an idea about the approximate number of Trinity users? It seems this list is always growing... Not sure! I know we had 3000+ downloads of the Maverick Desktop LiveCD from one mirror alone last month, but the actual user number may be much higher. Hope this helps! Tim

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Reversal of shortcuts?
by Luciano ES 15 Jan '11

15 Jan '11

So, I upgraded my old Ubuntu box to Maverick recently, with Trinity, of course. God bless. But not without a few incidents. Some of the old settings were lost, especially in Kmail. And I noticed an annoying change in the shortcuts. I have many mailboxes: private, work, another work, Gmail etc. When I created them, I was required to name each one of them. So I put numbers in the names: 1 - Work 2 - Private 3 - Another work 4 - Gmail etc. Opening the File menu in Kmail, the item "Check Mail In >" had the letter C underlined, so I developed the habit of pressing Alt+f, c to open the "Check Mail In >" submenu with all my mail accounts. Then I would press the number of the account I wanted to check: Alt+f, c, 1 for "1 - Work". Fine. Could be better, but anyway... That is a lot worse now. The new Kmail still has "Check Mail In >" but now it underlines the letter I. Which is bad, because "Import Messages..." also has the letter I underlined. So, instead of pressing Alt+f, c, now I am supposed to press Alt+f, i, and because the letter i matches two items in that menu, that mail account submenu does not open automatically anymore. Pressing i over and over swaps the selection from "Import Messages..." to "Check Mail In >" then back to "Import Messages..." ad infinitum. None will be selected automatically, I have to press Enter. So my procedure now is: Alt+f, i, i, Enter. Annoying. Even worse, now pressing the account number (first character of the account name) doesn't work anymore. In other words, pressing Alt+f, i, i, Enter, 1 does not check the "1 - Work" account. I have to go another Enter... Summing up: from <Alt+f, c, 1> I had to go to <Alt+f, i, i, Enter, Enter> and that's just for the first item of the submenu. For the 5th item, it's <Alt+f, i, i, Enter, down, down, down, down, Enter>. Grrrrr... Can we go back to the old arrangement? Please? Is it the proper place for that discussion or should I take it to the official KDE team? I suppose they only care about KDE 4 now, and they probably *prefer* the current, more cumbersome arrangement. I mean, just look at the horrible things they did to Gwenview, or Dolphin... :-\ -- Luciano ES >>

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kmenu mockup still pending
by Kate Draven 15 Jan '11

15 Jan '11

Sorry folks, Been sick, so I haven't been able to setup and send out the mockup of the kmenu setup I've been working on. I'll have it out before the end of this week. Sorry for the delay and thank you for your patience. Kate

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[trinity-users] Squeeze/Trinity Live CD
by David Hare 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

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sudo-trinity in Debian Squeeze
by Mike Bird 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

(Moving discussion of sudo-trinity to a new thread.) On Fri January 14 2011 10:42:59 Timothy Pearson wrote: > The reason for the third-party sudo is simply to add /opt/kde3/bin and > friends to the built-in RPATH variable, thus allowing Trinity applications > to be launched via "sudo <appname>", instead of "sudo > /opt/trinity/bin/<appname>". That's the only change; if you don't trust > me grab the source of the official sudo package and the modified one and > run a diff between them. ;-) $ diff -r sudo-1.7.4p4/ sudo-trinity-1.7.2p7/ | wc -l 112770 Would it be possible to have kde-core-trinity depend on sudo, and to have sudo-trinity conflict with sudo and provide sudo? This would allow people to retain Debian's sudo if they prefer. --Mike Bird

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Disabling Nepomuk
by John A. Sullivan III 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

Hello, all. One of the bug reasons we avoid KDE4 is the resource drain of running Nepomuk. However, we are finding it is always starting on our Trinity desktops. How does one prevent Nepomuk from starting? Thanks - John

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Furture of KDE3 questions
by Larry Stotler 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

High guys. This may have been spelled out somewhere, but if so I missed it, so please bear with me. I've been a KDE user since 1.x which was part of SuSE v5.3. Up till KDE4, I was always found KDE to do what I needed. I have some questions about the future direction of KDE3: 1. Qt4 port - I saw that this is one the roadmap. Is this really neccessary? I know that a lot of my complaints about KDE4 was the useless revamp of the interface, but having to have both Qt3/4 libs was also a huge pain. I'm not against a port if there are compelling reasons for it, but I have seen no compelling reason for KDE4. It uses more memory and space. I have a lot of older laptops that I find KDE3 to be snappy and KDE4 to be like molassas. 2. What about the other KDE projects like KOffice? I've always made use of KOffice instead of anything else. I find OpenOffice to be bloated. 3. Removal of HAL in favor of udev - Is this something that is going to affect KDE3? 4. Dependencies - I'm not sure how it is on other distros, but I've always found SuSE/openSUSE to suffer from unneccessary dependencies. Not everyone has a Palmpilot device, and most PIMs assume you do and force you to install support for something you don't have. I'm not sure how the core KDE and the other projects handle this. How is Trinity planning to do it? 5. XOrg and KDE3 - on openSUSE 11.3, I can't setup my displays because openSUSE removed it's config program SaX2 and I can't get XOrg to work with my displays. Works fine in openSUSE 11.0/KDE3 because I have SaX2. Is there an alternative for configuring displays? Sorry if some of this is a repeat. I'm new to the list, but a longtime KDE user. Thanx

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