On 03/23/2012 07:14 AM, Marvin L Jones wrote:

I don't want to FUBAR this 'production' workstation -- well, not beyond the usual few glitches.

Then you'll want to be sure to have a good backup of 3.5.12 before you upgrade to 3.5.13. Some of us have had show-stopping issues with 3.5.13 and have had to go back to 3.5.12 or to other DE's until the problems are sorted out.

On Friday 23 March 2012 15:49:20 Calvin Morrison wrote:

On 23 March 2012 11:46, Dan Youngquist dan@homestead-products.com wrote:

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On 03/23/2012 07:14 AM, Marvin L Jones wrote:

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I don't want to FUBAR this 'production' workstation -- well, not beyond the usual few glitches.

Then you'll want to be sure to have a good backup of 3.5.12 before you upgrade to 3.5.13.  Some of us have had show-stopping issues with 3.5.13 and have had to go back to 3.5.12 or to other DE's until the problems are sorted out.

-- PGP key: http://homestead-products.com/pubkey.htm

Could he upgrade directly to Slavek's packages? I don't see why not.

Because it's a 'production' system.

Whilst I appreciate Slavek's work in finding fixes for some of the problems and making patched versions available I don't want to install unofficial/third-party releases on my production systems.

I have a few systems here that I can use for testing (as and when I get the time to do so) so it's no biggie if I need to change the software repo settings to try new (unofficial/third-party) versions of software on them and/or then possibly run into problems.

However, I wouldn't want to do this on my 'production' systems because not only is there the risk of hitting other problems that stop you working but in making them non-standard you increase the maintenance overhead and also leave yourself open to potential problems in the future when you want to get those systems back on to the official releases; with unofficial/third-party releases you just can't predict what will happen - sure, most of the time there aren't problems but I'm afraid that I've been in this game long enough to have been hit by this.

So it's not because I don't have any faith in Slavek's patched releases that I won't install them on my production systems; it's because, in addition to the risk of 'new' problems, maintaining non-standard production systems takes up production time that you really want to spend on production.

LeeE

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Timothy Pearson wrote:

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<snip> > Or, do I have to upgrade through trinity-v3.5.12 first -- somehow?

The smoothest upgrade would be from 3.5.11->3.5.12->3.5.13. Upgrading straight to 3.5.13 would involve removing large amounts of TDE packages, then reinstalling them manually due to the name change from *-kde3 to *-trinity.

Thanks for the quick response, Tim!

But, can you help me with the "somehow" part? I can't find a ppa for v3.5.12. There seems to be no equivalent: ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-v3.5.12/ubuntu lucid main , etc.

Try this:

deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lucid main deb-src http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lucid main deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu lucid main deb-src http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu lucid main

I realize that I did not keep 3.5.12 installation instructions up on the website, however I have not deleted a TDE binary build yet. This may need to change due to disk space constraints in the future, but I will try to give at least 3 months of warning on the announce mailing list before I delete anything. The 3.5.12 packages can be viewed here: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity/+packages

And, to be clear, going from 3.5.11->3.5.12->3.5.13 will ease me through all the name changes from *-kde3 to *-trinity?? I don't want to FUBAR this 'production' workstation -- well, not beyond the usual few glitches.

Yes, it will ease you through everything. I can't guarantee that everything will be glitch-free (see other posts on this list regarding the upgrade process), but this will be the easiest way to go.

Tim

On Friday 23 March 2012 10:50:17 am Lisi wrote:

On Friday 23 March 2012 18:26:22 Timothy Pearson wrote:

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Try this:

deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lucid main deb-src http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lucid main deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubun tu lucid main deb-src http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubun tu lucid main

Could I possibly have the same information for Squeeze?

Thanks, Lisi

The diference between sources.list TDE 3.5.12 & TDE 3.5.13 is the omission of the '-v3.5.13' in the repo.

TDE3.5..12 deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze main

TDE 3/.5.13 deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-v3.5.13/debian squeeze main

On Friday 23 March 2012 19:31:48 Timothy Pearson wrote:

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On Friday 23 March 2012 10:50:17 am Lisi wrote:

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On Friday 23 March 2012 18:26:22 Timothy Pearson wrote:

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Try this:

deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lucid main deb-src

http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu

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lucid main deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/u bun tu lucid main deb-src http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/u bun tu lucid main

Could I possibly have the same information for Squeeze?

Thanks, Lisi

The diference between sources.list TDE 3.5.12 & TDE 3.5.13 is the omission of the '-v3.5.13' in the repo.

TDE3.5..12 deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze main

TDE 3/.5.13 deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-v3.5.13/debian squeeze main

-- Peace,

Greg

I should have posted these links earlier, sorry: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity/ https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-builddeps /

You can select your distribution version from the drop-down list on each of those pages and get the sources.list lines needed to install/upgrade from those repositories.

Thanks, both! :-)

Lisi

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, Marvin L Jones wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, Timothy Pearson wrote:

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I can't find a ppa for v3.5.12. There seems to be no equivalent: ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-v3.5.12/ubuntu lucid main , etc.

Try this:

deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lucid main deb-src http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lucid main deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu lucid main deb-src http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu lucid main

Thanks, Tim!

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And, to be clear, going from 3.5.11->3.5.12->3.5.13 will ease me through all the name changes from *-kde3 to *-trinity?? I don't want to FUBAR this 'production' workstation -- well, not beyond the usual few glitches?

Yes, it will ease you through everything. I can't guarantee that everything will be glitch-free (see other posts on this list regarding the upgrade process), but this will be the easiest way to go.

And, I believe the best approach is to:

1. apt-get update/upgrade the system in the current configuration
2. boot to a command line
3. Change the Trinity ppa sources to 3.5.12
4. apt-get update/upgrade to pull in 3.5.12
5. boot into TDE and look around.... then upgrade to 3.5.13

Back in March I was successful in dragging both my desktop and netbook from lucid+kde3.5.11 to lucid+trinity3.5.13.1. All updates/upgrades went Just Fine.

Today I dug out a laptop that was loaded with lucid+kde3.5.11 and had been "gathering dust on the shelf" for about a year. I now have a use for it. I attempted to upgrade to trinity 3.5.12 (in order to then upgrade to trinity 3.5.13.1) with the above repositories. Alas, I got:

|... |Err http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net lucid/main Packages | 404 Not Found |Err http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net lucid/main Sources | 404 Not Found |... |W: Failed to fetch | http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu/... | 404 Not Found | |W: Failed to fetch | http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu/... | 404 Not Found | |E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old | ones used instead.

Back in March or April Tim had said he would give notice before removing those repositories, but I either missed it if that was the case, and/or they are gone for good.

How now to get this laptop from 3.5.11 to 3.5.13.1?

( I did a "test" setup to upgrade directly to 3.5.13.1, but replied ( "No" when asked to proceed after the BIG List of new/updated -trinity ( modules was presented. So, those repositories will probably work ( for me _if_ I could get this laptop to 3.5.12... )

Happy New Year!! Jonesy

I'm attempting to update this Lucid/10.04 laptop from the original install of KDE (Trinity) 3.5.11 to Trinity 3.5.13

After some 'strange' results in the massive $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade processing with the 3.5.13 PPAs, I've got a problem with this:

==================================================== $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade <<-- snip PPA processing -->> Reading package lists... Done Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: kpowersave-kde3: Depends: kpowersave-trinity but it is not installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. $ ================================================

Well, ya, ok, I'll try that:

======================================= $ sudo apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: <<-- snip big list -->> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: kpowersave-trinity The following NEW packages will be installed: kpowersave-trinity 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 121 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 2,970kB of archives. After this operation, 4,780kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Get:1 http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/slavek-banko/axis/ubuntu/ lucid/main kpowersave-trinity 4:3.5.13-2ubuntu0~pre11+2~lucid [2,970kB] Fetched 2,970kB in 31s (95.5kB/s) (Reading database ... 189878 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking kpowersave-trinity (from .../kpowersave-trinity_4%3a3.5.13-2ubuntu0~pre11+2~lucid_i386.deb) ... dpkg-divert: `diversion of /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh to /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh.distrib by kpowersave-trinity' clashes with `diversion of /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh to /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh.distrib by kpowersave-kde3' dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kpowersave-trinity_4%3a3.5.13-2ubuntu0~pre11+2~lucid_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 2 /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: didn't understand being called with `abort-install' Errors were encountered while processing:

/var/cache/apt/archives/kpowersave-trinity_4%3a3.5.13-2ubuntu0~pre11+2~lucid_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) ==================================================================

How do I fix this and move on? `kpowersave` is a wee bit important to the functioning of this laptop. :-)

Thanks in advance. Jonesy

Well, maybe not "SOLVED". Rather, I once again have to publicly expose my own failings.

When I installed this system (from a Ubuntu 10.04LTS/Trinity CD that I downloaded from (memory fails me here...) ), I checked the [Help] on konqueror's main toolbar:

Help -> About Trinity == "Trinity Desktop Environment Release 3.5.11

Help -> About konqueror == Konqueror 3.5.10 (Using 3.5.11 [Trinity])

So, I had to believe I was running KDE 3.5.11 [Trinity]. Right? I never checked any further/deeper.

In a flash of unusual wisdom, last night I did a `dpkg -l`:

jonesy@nix4:~$ dpkg -l | grep kde ii adept-batch-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1124765 ii adept-common-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1124765 ii adept-installer-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1124765 ii adept-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1124765 ii adept-manager-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1124765 ii adept-notifier-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1124765 ii adept-updater-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1124765 ii akregator-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1152640 ii amarok-common-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1124763 ii amarok-engine-xine-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1124763 ii amarok-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1124763 ii ark-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1119969 ii arts-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1075407 ii digikam-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1076911 ii exiv2-kde3 0.17-0ubuntu3 ii gtk-qt-engine-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1101810 ii guidance-backends-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1106825 ii gwenview-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1106810 ii hal-kde3 0.5.14-0ubuntu1 ii k3b-data-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1106812 ii k3b-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1106812 <-BIG SNIP-> ii language-pack-kde-en 1:10.04+20110931 ii language-pack-kde-en-base 1:10.04+20110931 ii libarts1-akode-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1138430 ii libarts1c2a-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1075407 ii libartsc0-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1075407 ii libexiv2-4-kde3 0.17-0ubuntu3 ii libk3b3-extracodecs-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1106812 ii libk3b3-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1106812 ii libkcal2b-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1152640 ii libkcddb1-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1138430 ii libkdcraw3-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1076768 ii libkdepim1a-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1152640 ii libkexiv2-3-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1076316 ii libkipi0-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1076268 ii libkleopatra1-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1152640 ii libkmime2-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1152640 ii libkonq4-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1152392 ii libkpimexchange1-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1152640 ii libkpimidentities1-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1152640 ii libksieve0-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1152640 ii libktnef1-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1152640 ii libmimelib1c2a-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1152640 ii libpythonize0-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1097589 ii network-manager-kde-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1124762 ii networkstatus-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1152640 ii openoffice.org-kde3 1:3.2.0-7ubuntu6 ii plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo-kde3 1:10.04-0ubuntu1 ii pykdeextensions-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1097589 ii python-kde3-kde3 4:3.5.12-0ubuntu6+r1106881 ii sudo-kde3 1.7.0-1ubuntu7 jonesy@nix4:~$

jonesy@nix4:~$ dpkg -l | grep kde | wc -l 152 jonesy@nix4:~$

So, it looks like I have 3.5.12 in place already -- dis-irregardless of what About Trinity and About Konqueror have to say...

I apologize about the noise I've injected here. And, I thank Tim and Slavek for trying to be so helpful.

(In any case, I don't believe 'we' ever found a good, working 3.5.12 repository.)

Now to move on to 3.5.13....

Thanks, and my apologies. Jonesy