25 Mar
2023
25 Mar
'23
11:24 a.m.
Any graphics wizards here?
I would like to transform the blue_glass.png and default.png panel
background images to blackish.
$TDEDIR/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/blue_glass.png
$TDEDIR/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/default.png
I created a new pure black image but retaining the texture
shading/tinting of the original images would be nicer. I have no clue
how to do that.
Would be nice to add the new images to the tdebase package sources
before the 14.1.0 release.
Possible new file names:
blue_glass.png --> black_glass.png
default.png --> black_tint.png
black.png (the image I created)
Thanks!
25 Mar
25 Mar
1:33 p.m.
On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 13:24:45 -0500
Darrell Anderson via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Any graphics wizards here?
I would like to transform the blue_glass.png and default.png panel
background images to blackish.
Here's some quickies, no wizardry more complex than manipulating GIMP's
Curves dialog required. These are pure greyscale and might look better with
a slight bluish tint, but I wasn't going to spend a lot of time if these are Good
Enough.
E. Liddell
3:23 p.m.
On 3/25/23 3:33 PM, E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
Thank you for trying!
On my computer the two images both appear as solid black.
I was hoping to retain the gradient shading of the original images and
just change the colors. From blue and gray to blackish.
The blue_glass.png gradients provide a contoured 3-D curve effect to the
panel. I want a blackish version. Similarly with the default.png gray image.
I think the word I want is gradient. I am no artist and don't know.
I would like
to transform the blue_glass.png and default.png panel
background images to blackish.
Here's some quickies, no wizardry more complex than manipulating GIMP's
Curves dialog required. These are pure greyscale and might look better with
a slight bluish tint, but I wasn't going to spend a lot of time if these are Good
Enough.
5:10 p.m.
On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 17:23:22 -0500
Darrell Anderson via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On 3/25/23 3:33 PM, E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
Thank you for trying!
On my computer the two images both appear as solid black.
I was hoping to retain the gradient shading of the original images and
just change the colors. From blue and gray to blackish.
The blue_glass.png gradients provide a contoured 3-D curve effect to the
panel. I want a blackish version. Similarly with the default.png gray image.
I think the word I want is gradient. I am no artist and don't know.
The originals are gradients intended to suggest a contour, yes. The ones I
sent you show up as gradients for me, just very dark ones. It's possible
that a differently-adjusted monitor would hide the variation.
Try the attached—is it still dead black for you, or is the gradient visible now?
The lightest colour is still quite a dark grey (#404040), but much lighter than
the ones in the first set.
E. Liddell
I would
like to transform the blue_glass.png and default.png panel
background images to blackish.
Here's some quickies, no wizardry more complex than manipulating GIMP's
Curves dialog required. These are pure greyscale and might look better with
a slight bluish tint, but I wasn't going to spend a lot of time if these are Good
Enough. 
7:33 p.m.
On 3/25/23 7:10 PM, E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
The originals are gradients intended to suggest a
contour, yes. The ones I
sent you show up as gradients for me, just very dark ones. It's possible
that a differently-adjusted monitor would hide the variation.
Try the attached—is it still dead black for you, or is the gradient visible now?
The lightest colour is still quite a dark grey (#404040), but much lighter than
the ones in the first set.
My eyesight no longer is sharp anymore. One of the effects of aging that
I have not accepted gracefully. Once upon a time people called me eagle
eyes. :(
When viewed in an image viewer the default_black2.png looks flat. Oddly,
when tested in the panel as a background image I then see a downward
gradient similar to the original default.png. A keeper. :)
Noting the difference caused by the image viewers and my vision, I
looked again at your first two images. The black_glass.png still looks
flat to me in the panel, but if I look real close I see the top and
bottom are a smidgen lighter than the middle. I think the color black
causes a loss of the curvature effect unless the top and bottom were a
lighter gradient.
I can barely see downward gradients with the first default_black.png.
The newer default_black2.png looks more like the original default.png.
Doug Y. created a nice grey_glass.png (refer to a previous list reply).
Another keeper. :)
Seems we have the following new images:
default_black2.png (you)
grey_glass.png (Doug)
black_flat.png (me)
To provide consistent naming, for submittal I will rename your
default_black2.png to black_shade.png, similar to the name black_flat.png.
7:58 p.m.
On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 21:33:38 -0500
Darrell Anderson via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On 3/25/23 7:10 PM, E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
Considering the thickness of my glasses, I have no right to comment
about anyone else's eyesight.
The originals are gradients intended to suggest a
contour, yes. The ones I
sent you show up as gradients for me, just very dark ones. It's possible
that a differently-adjusted monitor would hide the variation.
Try the attached—is it still dead black for you, or is the gradient visible now?
The lightest colour is still quite a dark grey (#404040), but much lighter than
the ones in the first set.
My eyesight no longer is sharp anymore. One of the effects of aging that
I have not accepted gracefully. Once upon a time people called me eagle
eyes. :( When viewed in an image viewer the default_black2.png
looks flat. Oddly,
when tested in the panel as a background image I then see a downward
gradient similar to the original default.png. A keeper. :)
Noting the difference caused by the image viewers and my vision, I
looked again at your first two images. The black_glass.png still looks
flat to me in the panel, but if I look real close I see the top and
bottom are a smidgen lighter than the middle. I think the color black
causes a loss of the curvature effect unless the top and bottom were a
lighter gradient.
Just insufficient contrast, then. Here's a couple of black_glass variations
with higher contrast for you to play with.
E. Liddell
8:52 p.m.
On 3/25/23 9:58 PM, E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
Just insufficient contrast, then. Here's a couple
of black_glass variations
with higher contrast for you to play with.
Methinks black_glass3.png.
I noticed the file sizes of black_glass3.png and default_black2.png are
"huge" compared to the original blue_glass.png and default.png. The
originals are bytes and the other two are KBytes.
Can the new files be reduced to similar files sizes or does that
diminish the gradient effects?
26 Mar
26 Mar
5:10 a.m.
On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 22:52:15 -0500
Darrell Anderson via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On 3/25/23 9:58 PM, E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
This better? GIMP defaults to including a lot of unnecessary extras
(like EXIF data) in the PNG files it saves, and I hadn't bothered to run
around unchecking checkboxes.
E. Liddell
Just insufficient contrast, then. Here's a
couple of black_glass variations
with higher contrast for you to play with.
Methinks black_glass3.png.
I noticed the file sizes of black_glass3.png and default_black2.png are
"huge" compared to the original blue_glass.png and default.png. The
originals are bytes and the other two are KBytes.
Can the new files be reduced to similar files sizes or does that
diminish the gradient effects? 
2:39 p.m.
On 3/26/23 7:10 AM, E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
This better? GIMP defaults to including a lot of
unnecessary extras
(like EXIF data) in the PNG files it saves, and I hadn't bothered to run
around unchecking checkboxes.
Those look nice. Thank you.
Kind of hectic around here right now, but I'll try to submit the new
images sooner than later.
Seems like simple additions. Only one CMakeLists.txt file to update.
Perhaps they can get merged into 14.1.0.
25 Mar
25 Mar
4:59 p.m.
On 3/25/23 11:24 AM, Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
$TDEDIR/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/blue_glass.png
$TDEDIR/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/default.png
Here's the first with the color removed.
default.png is already grayscale, so not really sure what you want done to it.
With GIMP, you can easily adjust images however you want.
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6:41 p.m.
On 3/25/23 6:59 PM, Dan Youngquist via tde-users wrote:
Here's the first with the color removed.
default.png is already grayscale, so not really sure what you want done to it.
I just tested and grey_glass.png creates a nice background png for the
panel. I like the curvature effect. :)
I still am hoping for the same with black. I am not an artist but I
suspect at some point the curvature effect might get hazy or lost
because of the nature of the color black. Perhaps to retain the
curvature effect there is a limit to how black the image can be.
The difference between my flat black image and blue|grey_glass.png is
the illusion of being curved. My solid black looks sharp but is flat and
does not have that curvature effect.
I will try to submit these images into the tdebase sources.
With GIMP, you can easily adjust images however you
want.
"Easily adjust" is relative. I have no art background. Finding the
correct terms to use paint and image editing tools is Sisyphean for me.
Launching tools like GIMP transforms me into the classic deer staring
into the headlight beams.
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