Now on both my desktop machine and on the ThinkPad, when I start TDE about half the time everything starts just fine except for the desktop, which crashes. Anyone else encountering anything like this?
In both cases on Debian Trixie.
dep composed on 2025-09-10 02:28 (UTC):
Now on both my desktop machine and on the ThinkPad, when I start TDE about half the time everything starts just fine except for the desktop, which crashes. Anyone else encountering anything like this?
In both cases on Debian Trixie.
By any chance do you have a mixture of 14.1.4 and 14.1.15 TDE packages installed?
Don't think so, no.
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-------- Original Message -------- On 9/9/25 22:46, Felix Miata via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
dep composed on 2025-09-10 02:28 (UTC):
Now on both my desktop machine and on the ThinkPad, when I start TDE about half the time everything starts just fine except for the desktop, which crashes. Anyone else encountering anything like this?
In both cases on Debian Trixie.
By any chance do you have a mixture of 14.1.4 and 14.1.15 TDE packages installed?
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 02:28:25 +0000, dep via tde-users wrote:
Now on both my desktop machine and on the ThinkPad, when I start TDE about half the time everything starts just fine except for the desktop, which crashes. Anyone else encountering anything like this?
Ubuntu 24.04 TDE 14.1.4 Recently I've seen the desktop crash and restart successfully after being up and running for some time. It's occurred about once every 2-3 days.
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On Thursday 11 September 2025 06:29:29 Jonesy via tde-users wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 02:28:25 +0000, dep via tde-users wrote:
Now on both my desktop machine and on the ThinkPad, when I start TDE about half the time everything starts just fine except for the desktop, which crashes. Anyone else encountering anything like this?
Ubuntu 24.04 TDE 14.1.4 Recently I've seen the desktop crash and restart successfully after being up and running for some time. It's occurred about once every 2-3 days.
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I have, actually, experienced that, although for a long time I have been blaming it on my in-house network, over which I have no control, which has used the same alphanumeric 8-digit password for at least ten years, and which I imagine is clogged full of free riders, snoops and script kiddies.
Every so often, my system totally freezes; uses to be every day for a while. Sometimes it freezes for only a minute or two; sometimes it has been for over an hour, but I didn't want to reboot because I had unfinished and unsaved work trapped there. Then, maybe three or four times over the past few months, sometimes the system just shuts down and restarts, no reason, so that I am back to my custom login screen.
Besides these anomalies, I also have tdenetworkmanager crash fairly often, but I just restart it. Usually it only crashes when not actually online. This may be related to what I just described above, or maybe not.
Then there is konqueror. Konqueror crashes rather a LOT nowadays, whenever I have external drives plugged in. Doesn't seem to matter what kind of drives, whether I use a USB dongle or extension or my powered 13-port USB hub; doesn't matter if I plug the drive directly into the laptop. Whenever I unmount a drive, chances are about even whether or not konqueror will also crash, which means I have to reconstruct my regular locations -- that is, the places in my system, or on external drives, where I spend most of my time.
So far I don't see any pattern in these. I thought maybe firejail was partly to blame, as I have been trying to make my system more secure by limiting access, etc. But that also doesn't seem to matter.
I assumed that these problems would get smoothed out with the newer releases, as I upgraded my system. This has happened in the past, so I decided to be patient.
In any case, I am in the midst of moving everything out of the city and away to Ultima Thule, or as close as I can get to that happy land, up among the redwoods and generally outside the bane of civilization. I don't have much time to spare tracking down bugs or other issues.
If anybody else has similar problems, I would be more inclined to take the trouble.
Bill
Bill
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Every so often, my system totally freezes; uses to be every day for a while. Sometimes it freezes for only a minute or two; sometimes it has been for over an hour, but I didn't want to reboot because I had unfinished and unsaved work trapped there. Then, maybe three or four times over the past few months, sometimes the system just shuts down and restarts, no reason, so that I am back to my custom login screen.
Mine was freezing too, because of firefox being so memory hungry and me having just 8GB RAM. Now I installed additional RAM and have 20GB and it is working like a charm. It even has about 1GB free when I open all applications I usually use.
пт, 12 сент. 2025 г., 09:07 deloptes via tde-users <users@trinitydesktop.org
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William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Every so often, my system totally freezes; uses to be every day for a while. Sometimes it freezes for only a minute or two; sometimes it has been for over an hour, but I didn't want to reboot because I had unfinished and unsaved work trapped there. Then, maybe three or four
times
over the past few months, sometimes the system just shuts down and restarts, no reason, so that I am back to my custom login screen.
Mine was freezing too, because of firefox being so memory hungry and me having just 8GB RAM. Now I installed additional RAM and have 20GB and it is working like a charm. It even has about 1GB free when I open all applications I usually use.
32bit firefox just gets killed if grow too big for 32bit address space ;)
Go 64bit like everyone else, keep they saying ...nah.
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Andrew Randrianasulu via tde-users wrote:
32bit firefox just gets killed if grow too big for 32bit address space ;)
Did I ever mention, I was using 32bit firefox? No, I did not, because I am using 64bit.
Go 64bit like everyone else, keep they saying ...nah.
And 64bit gets killed too, but it took usually about 10-15min to kick the oom killer. So it was very unpleasant.
I think it actually doesn't matter in this specific scenario if it is 32 or 64bit. (It actually does, because it utilizes the CPU in full length, but it is not related to the missing memory, ability to handle and swap)
fwiw, and in that I started the the thread I thought it might be okay to mention it, computer starts fine, boots to sddm login window just fine, logs in just fine. TDE seems to start just fine. Kicker appears just fine. Mouse pointer is just fine. Startup Windows-ish music plays just fine. Desktop never appears and in due course a "desktop crashed" box appears. Has nothing to do with Netscape or any of its descendants. On about the second or third reboot, the desktop starts -- you guessed it -- just fine, and runs just fine and doesn't crash even over days of use. But the failure after login is fairly consistent, as is the remedy of one or more reboots.
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Anno domini 2025 Fri, 12 Sep 08:15:56 +0000 dep via tde-users scripsit:
fwiw, and in that I started the the thread I thought it might be okay to mention it, computer starts fine, boots to sddm login window just fine, logs in just fine. TDE seems to start just fine. Kicker appears just fine. Mouse pointer is just fine. Startup Windows-ish music plays just fine. Desktop never appears and in due course a "desktop crashed" box appears. Has nothing to do with Netscape or any of its descendants. On about the second or third reboot, the desktop starts -- you guessed it -- just fine, and runs just fine and doesn't crash even over days of use. But the failure after login is fairly consistent, as is the remedy of one or more reboots.
I came across something simillar when testing on my old X61; X11 starts, very suggisch, I can open a teminal - again, very suggish - then after some seconds X11 dies, X11 and TDM restart again ... and the loop continues. From what I can tell ist's a problem with the old intel gpu and new kernel > 6.12 or so. T61 with AMD work flawless. I dod not try what happens across multiple warm reboots.
Nik
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dep via tde-users wrote:
fwiw, and in that I started the the thread I thought it might be okay to mention it, computer starts fine, boots to sddm login window just fine, logs in just fine. TDE seems to start just fine. Kicker appears just fine. Mouse pointer is just fine. Startup Windows-ish music plays just fine. Desktop never appears and in due course a "desktop crashed" box appears. Has nothing to do with Netscape or any of its descendants. On about the second or third reboot, the desktop starts -- you guessed it -- just fine, and runs just fine and doesn't crash even over days of use. But the failure after login is fairly consistent, as is the remedy of one or more reboots
You are the second one reffering to TDE issues when using SDDM. I wonder if this behavior is only related to SDDM or could be reproduced with other DMs.
See last few comments here: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/issues/232
пт, 12 сент. 2025 г., 09:57 deloptes via tde-users <users@trinitydesktop.org
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Andrew Randrianasulu via tde-users wrote:
32bit firefox just gets killed if grow too big for 32bit address space
;)
Did I ever mention, I was using 32bit firefox? No, I did not, because I am using 64bit.
ok.
Go 64bit like everyone else, keep they saying ...nah.
And 64bit gets killed too, but it took usually about 10-15min to kick the oom killer. So it was very unpleasant.
I think it actually doesn't matter in this specific scenario if it is 32 or 64bit. (It actually does, because it utilizes the CPU in full length, but it is not related to the missing memory, ability to handle and swap)
Then something else is wrong ... I think I see some UI freezes on Android tablet, but I guess it simply mean its dying ... after just a little more than 3 years. grrrr.
Are you using SSD? if yes you may want to check any timeout messages in dmesg, and look for smartctl output (while I never personally averted any hdd failure by looking there ... I use mechanical HDDs so they are audible in their life and death.)
I also use xfs for /home and ext4 for / and /usr
Xfs a bit slow when you update git trees etc, but so far it served me well.
I surely can see firefox crawling out of swap .. on 1gb rammachine. On 6 gb ram laptop and 16 gb ram desktop it behaves ok for me. Well, outside of getting killed after few days of firefox's uptime. But it does not freeze my whole machine. I can freeze everything by filling up artificially enlarged (from default 60% of ram) tmpfs mounted on /dev/shm , and I recall modern distros mount /tmp to tmpfs too, so on /tmp overflow you can get some *p*a*u*s*e ....untill oom killer kicks in. (I think default mostly tuned for servers where admins supposed to watch out their working set, there usually series of tweaks or whole patch sets floated by desktop users, but how effective they are often debated)
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