4 Mar
2024
4 Mar
'24
7:59 a.m.
Hi
is someone using KDE5 apps on top of TDE and what is your experience.
I want to use gdrive with the sign-on (KIO
thanks
4 Mar
4 Mar
8:34 a.m.
On 3/4/24 02:59, deloptes via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Hi
is someone using KDE5 apps on top of TDE and what is your experience.
I want to use gdrive with the sign-on (KIO
I have used KDE5 DigiKam atop TDE with no problems, though it sure does involve the
installation of a whole lot of stuff.
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12:39 p.m.
dep via tde-users wrote:
I have used KDE5 DigiKam atop TDE with no problems,
though it sure does
involve the installation of a whole lot of stuff.
Thank you. Installing the required packages is not the issue (in fact it is
self explaining). I do not want risking to mess up the setup, although I do
backup before, I want to avoid restoring from backup or cleaning up/wasting
time, if there are issues.
12:41 p.m.
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
A shame ! :-)
KDE5 is very heavy, TDE is light and much better.
Unfortunately we have no option to use google drive in TDE with sign-on. And
I'm tired copying files manually. I tried this in Windows and Ubuntu and it
works fine. The Drive appears as a mount point on the linux desktop and it
makes live very easy.
3:24 p.m.
On 04/03/2024 12:41, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Not strictly speaking true. You can use Drive or Fuse to name two.
Personally speaking, anything is better than the mammoth KDE dependencies.
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Michael Howard.
A shame ! :-)
KDE5 is very heavy, TDE is light and much better.
Unfortunately we have no option
to use google drive in TDE with sign-on
4:13 p.m.
Michael Howard via tde-users wrote:
Not strictly speaking true. You can use Drive or Fuse
to name two.
Personally speaking, anything is better than the mammoth KDE dependencies.
Can you elaborate more on those alternatives, because I installed a bunch of
dependencies, only to find out that this crap in KDE5 is not working since
last summer :D
4:55 p.m.
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Michael Howard via tde-users wrote:
Just curious: What Linux distribution are you using?
Gianluca
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Not strictly speaking true. You can use Drive or
Fuse to name two.
Personally speaking, anything is better than the mammoth KDE dependencies.
Can you elaborate more on those alternatives, because I installed a bunch of
dependencies, only to find out that this crap in KDE5 is not working since
last summer :D
9:21 p.m.
Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
Just curious: What Linux distribution are you using?
Always Debian stable (now bookworm). I want to sit down and just work, not
debug instead of being productive. This is why I stay on stable with TDE.
As mentioned KDE5 is still with the same attitude - fancy but broken aka
useless fancy crap. I also can not stand the new gnome in ubuntu, although
regarding productivity I think it is much better than KDE.
9:37 p.m.
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
I ask because when I install openSUSE it asks me which DE I want. I choose
Plasma/KDE5 just to have the packages although I never use the desktop
itself. I also install LXDE, which I use to have a GUI while I install
TDE. Does Debian stable also give you the option to install Plasma/KDE5 as
your default during the OS installation alongside something like LXDE?
I'm curious because the future of openSUSE (non-tumbleweed) is a bit
uncertain. I'm not sure I want the immutable/ALP version that openSUSE
16.x may be provided as.
Gianluca
Just curious: What Linux distribution are you
using?
Always Debian stable (now bookworm). I want to sit down and just work, not
debug instead of being productive. This is why I stay on stable with TDE. As mentioned KDE5 is still with the same attitude -
fancy but broken aka
useless fancy crap. I also can not stand the new gnome in ubuntu, although
regarding productivity I think it is much better than KDE.
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11:31 p.m.
Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
I ask because when I install openSUSE it asks me which
DE I want. I choose
Plasma/KDE5 just to have the packages although I never use the desktop
itself. I also install LXDE, which I use to have a GUI while I install
TDE. Does Debian stable also give you the option to install Plasma/KDE5 as
your default during the OS installation alongside something like LXDE?
Debian is IMO the best - flexible and stable (if you use stable).
I usually install using debootstrap. If I were to install from USB stick, I
would install only the base system and then on top of it, I would install
TDE from the command line.
I'm curious because the future of openSUSE
(non-tumbleweed) is a bit
uncertain. I'm not sure I want the immutable/ALP version that openSUSE
16.x may be provided as.
I used openSUSE only once may be in 2001. Later I saw openSUSE on commercial
products.
Moveing to Debian will require some relearning but IMO it pays off.
BR
5 Mar
5 Mar
12:07 a.m.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Maybe I can find a tutorial for openSUSE users migrating to Debian.
Something that lists:
rpm -> dpkg
zypper -> apt-get
etc.
I would also have to get used to not having Yast.
Gianluca
I'm
curious because the future of openSUSE (non-tumbleweed) is a bit
uncertain. I'm not sure I want the immutable/ALP version that openSUSE
16.x may be provided as.
I used openSUSE only once may be in 2001. Later I saw openSUSE on commercial
products.
Moveing to Debian will require some relearning but IMO it pays off.
BR
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12:15 a.m.
Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
Maybe I can find a tutorial for openSUSE users
migrating to Debian.
Something that lists:
rpm -> dpkg
zypper -> apt-get
etc.
Or start fresh reading the Debian docs
I would also have to get used to not having Yast.
Gianluca
May be it would be easier for you if you would try Ubuntu on USB stick,
until you get used to all of the command line stuff.
12:42 a.m.
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2024-03-04 16:07 (UTC-0800):
deloptes wrote:
>> I'm curious because the future of openSUSE
(non-tumbleweed) is a bit
>> uncertain. I'm not sure I want the immutable/ALP version that openSUSE
>> 16.x may be provided as.
> I used openSUSE only once may be in 2001. Later I
saw openSUSE on commercial
> products.
> Moveing to Debian will require some relearning but IMO it pays off.
Maybe I can find a tutorial for openSUSE users
migrating to Debian.
Something that lists:
rpm -> dpkg
zypper -> apt-get
etc.
I would also have to get used to not having Yast.
Freshly released KDE 3.0 and YaST (*Y*et *A*nother *S*etup *T*ool) were what
hooked me on SUSE 8.x originally. YaST is both setup tool, and installer, whose UI
is logically identical whether using text mode or GUI mode.
With decades of experience behind me I don't use YaST much as setup tool much any
more, but I find it far and away the best Gnu/Linux distro installer bar none,
with equivalent appreciation applicable to zypper as cmdline package manager.
Were openSUSE 16 to turn out to be unacceptable regression, I would have little
problem switching to Mageia, assuming it still exists. If not, most likely any
switch of primary OS would be to Debian Stable, assuming TDE still exists for it. ;)
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1:16 a.m.
I would also
have to get used to not having Yast.
Freshly released KDE 3.0 and YaST (*Y*et *A*nother *S*etup *T*ool) were what
hooked me on SUSE 8.x originally. YaST is both setup tool, and installer, whose UI
is logically identical whether using text mode or GUI mode.
With decades of experience behind me I don't use YaST much as setup tool much any
more, but I find it far and away the best Gnu/Linux distro installer bar none,
with equivalent appreciation applicable to zypper as cmdline package manager.
Were openSUSE 16 to turn out to be unacceptable regression, I would have little
problem switching to Mageia, assuming it still exists. If not, most likely any
switch of primary OS would be to Debian Stable, assuming TDE still exists for it. ;)
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3:59 p.m.
I have been a Tumbleweed user for a long time, it is by far the most "stable"
rolling distro I have ever used. The main benefit that comes to mind is that even *if* an
update went wrong, Zypper already used Snapper to make a BTRFS snapshot to roll back to. A
broken update is a simple 1 minute rollback.
Having all my favorite software up to date on my nice stable TDE desktop.... i couldnt ask
for a better experience.
All I do is install TW with the "Basic Desktop" pattern, and then use XTerm to
install TDE with the urls pulled up in Firefox. I always like to have IceWM as a backup
anyways. This makes for a nice minimum install. Oh and before I forget you need to install
Pipewire still unless youre an ALSA purist lol
I have also looked at Slowroll (1 major update aprox every 3 months), but Tumbleweed hasnt
really let me down. I always come back.
I do have debian systems for specific purposes, but TW is where all my actual work happens
on a Dell Latitude.
6:49 p.m.
Thanks Jacob,
What I wonder about Tumbleweed is the following. What happens if you do
not update the system for a while. Let's say you had the system sit for 2
years but for whatever reason you never did updates. But now you need to
install a new package that you did not install when you performed the
installation. Are you required now to bring the system up to date before
you install the new package?
Thanks,
Gianluca
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, jacobheinrich--- via tde-users wrote:
I have been a Tumbleweed user for a long time, it is
by far the most "stable" rolling distro I have ever used. The main benefit that
comes to mind is that even *if* an update went wrong, Zypper already used Snapper to make
a BTRFS snapshot to roll back to. A broken update is a simple 1 minute rollback.
Having all my favorite software up to date on my nice stable TDE desktop.... i couldnt
ask for a better experience.
All I do is install TW with the "Basic Desktop" pattern, and then use XTerm to
install TDE with the urls pulled up in Firefox. I always like to have IceWM as a backup
anyways. This makes for a nice minimum install. Oh and before I forget you need to install
Pipewire still unless youre an ALSA purist lol
I have also looked at Slowroll (1 major update aprox every 3 months), but Tumbleweed
hasnt really let me down. I always come back.
I do have debian systems for specific purposes, but TW is where all my actual work
happens on a Dell Latitude.
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7:19 p.m.
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2024-03-05 10:49 (UTC-0800):
What I wonder about Tumbleweed is the following. What
happens if you do
not update the system for a while. Let's say you had the system sit for 2
years but for whatever reason you never did updates. But now you need to
install a new package that you did not install when you performed the
installation. Are you required now to bring the system up to date before
you install the new package?
Only to the extent that the new package depends on other packages that have since
been updated, and any others those depend upon. That said, not keeping up-to-date
means zero security fixes.
I have roughly 40 TW installations. I try to keep them from going more than 6
months without full upgrading. Most I do at ad hoc intervals between 2 weeks and 2
months.
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7:33 p.m.
I wonder what an openSUSE based on ALP/immutable will be. Are they going
to get rid of RPM? If the file system is "immutable", how can you install
software from other sources, such as TDE?
Gianluca
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2024-03-05 10:49
(UTC-0800):
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What I wonder about Tumbleweed is the following.
What happens if you do
not update the system for a while. Let's say you had the system sit for 2
years but for whatever reason you never did updates. But now you need to
install a new package that you did not install when you performed the
installation. Are you required now to bring the system up to date before
you install the new package?
Only to the extent that the new package depends on other packages that have since
been updated, and any others those depend upon. That said, not keeping up-to-date
means zero security fixes.
I have roughly 40 TW installations. I try to keep them from going more than 6
months without full upgrading. Most I do at ad hoc intervals between 2 weeks and 2
months.
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based on faith, not based on science.
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8:44 p.m.
Well you can still install packages transactionally, I use immutable distros often. Say
you had a package that wasn't available as a snap, flatpak, appimage, etc*. You would
start a transaction, install the software, reboot, and if the system boots, transaction
complete, if not... it keeps the old snapshot and things are the same as before. Otherwise
the system is always in a read only state (user data excluded). RPMs wont be gone
completely, but containers is where things are going.
Id imagine getting TDE running on a immutable distro wouldnt be too hard, as long as
everything that gets changed is in user dirs
9:44 p.m.
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2024-03-05 11:33 (UTC-0800):
I wonder what an openSUSE based on ALP/immutable will
be. Are they going
to get rid of RPM?
IMO, rpm is far too foundational to be replaced. If SUSE were to do that, it might
as well become yet another fork/spin of Debian, but with BTRFS and snapshotting by
default.
From my POV, ALP will remain considered vaporware at least through the end of this
coming summer. Leap will continue for at least 2 more Thanksgivings.
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6 Mar
6 Mar
1:06 p.m.
Well if you went 2 years without updates... youd be without security updates for 2 years.
Anyways... if you meet the minimum version of dependencies for the software your
installing youd be fine, otherwise it will upgrade what it needs.
On the flip side I have gone a year or more between upgrades lol
5 Mar
5 Mar
2:56 a.m.
On 2024/03/05 08:31 AM, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Debian is IMO the best - flexible and stable (if you
use stable).
Debian testing is also very stable, although it only makes sense if you want progressive
updates. In that case using TDE
PSB or PTB would also make sense. It's very stable, even it is called
"testing".
rpm -> dpkg
zypper -> apt-get
etc.
I would also have to get used to not having Yast.
"aptitude" is probably the best CLI tool you can use in debian for keeping your
system up to date. It saves you from the
quicks of apt-get/dpkg, although knowing the latter tools is good too.
Cheers
Michele
4 Mar
4 Mar
6:25 p.m.
On 04/03/2024 16:13, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Michael Howard via tde-users wrote:
:-)
drive is here; https://github.com/odeke-em/drive?ref=itsfoss.com
and a fuse implementation can be found here;
https://github.com/astrada/google-drive-ocamlfuse?ref=itsfoss.com
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Not strictly speaking true. You can use Drive or
Fuse to name two.
Personally speaking, anything is better than the mammoth KDE dependencies.
Can you
elaborate more on those alternatives, because I installed a bunch of
dependencies, only to find out that this crap in KDE5 is not working since
last summer :D
5 Mar
5 Mar
3:31 a.m.
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 18:25:58 +0000
Michael Howard via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On 04/03/2024 16:13, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
There's also a command-line utility "gdrive" of unknown quality:
https://github.com/glotlabs/gdrive (written in Rust, it appears).
E. Liddell
Michael Howard via tde-users wrote:
:-)
drive is here; https://github.com/odeke-em/drive?ref=itsfoss.com
and a fuse implementation can be found here;
https://github.com/astrada/google-drive-ocamlfuse?ref=itsfoss.com
Not strictly speaking true. You can use Drive or
Fuse to name two.
Personally speaking, anything is better than the mammoth KDE dependencies.
Can you
elaborate more on those alternatives, because I installed a bunch of
dependencies, only to find out that this crap in KDE5 is not working since
last summer :D
4 Mar
4 Mar
10:14 p.m.
On Monday 04 March 2024 13:41:52 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Unfortunately we have no option to use google drive in
TDE with sign-on. And
I'm tired copying files manually. I tried this in Windows and Ubuntu and it
works fine. The Drive appears as a mount point on the linux desktop and it
makes live very easy :
Windows I don't mind but works fine only with Ubuntu ?
and not with others Linux distributions ?
2:06 p.m.
deloptes via tde-users wrote on 3/4/24 00:59:
Hi
is someone using KDE5 apps on top of TDE and what is your experience.
I want to use gdrive with the sign-on (KIO
I have had no problems that I can recall running KDE5 programs even though TDE
is my desktop.
I haven't used gdrive, though. But I wouldn't expect there to be any problem
with doing so. I'm pretty sure that I've /never/ seen any conflict when using
KDE5 programs under TDE. (I routinely use kate5 and digikam5, and less
routinely a few other KDE5 programs.)
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4:06 p.m.
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Hi
is someone using KDE5 apps on top of TDE and what is your experience.
I want to use gdrive with the sign-on (KIO
thanks
I have been using KDE4/5 applications in TDE for a while, mostly okular,
k3b and gwenview. I haven't tried out any others.
Gianluca
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10:59 p.m.
deloptes composed on 2024-03-04 08:59 (UTC+0100):
is someone using KDE5 apps on top of TDE and what is
your experience.
I have several openSUSE installations with both. All have TDM to the exclusion of
SDDM installed. If you wish to use the Konsole each provides, you may want to do
some menu tweaking to make it clear which you're selecting. I mostly use TDE's
Konsole. If you like and keep TDE as your only environment, then simply installing
some KDE apps won't require nearly as much space or overhead as running full
defaults Plasma sessions.
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9 Mar
9 Mar
4:16 a.m.
On 3/4/24 1:59 AM, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
is someone using KDE5 apps on top of TDE and what is
your experience.
One of the speed bumps I encountered using KDE tools in TDE is theme
configurations are ignored. This results in flat icons and tiny fonts in
the menu bars in the KDE tools.
The primary culprit is the $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP environment variable.
KDE tools expect this to be set to KDE and not TDE.
One work-around I use is script wrappers to the KDE tools I prefer. In
the script wrappers I set XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=TDE:KDE. The KDE tools
then are content and no theming issues arise with flat icons or tiny fonts.
I hope this helps.
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