28 Apr
2020
28 Apr
'20
8:06 p.m.
I'm build a linux workstation for my wife -- her first linux box.
Since her last immersion in command line usage was back in CP/M day,
and then DOS before Windows, I am trying to set her up with as many
GUI solutions as possible. konqueror is, of course, a prime choice!
We both work on web sites, and move "stuff" to and fro a VPS we share.
In my own usage I've been using `sshfs` to mount the remote file system
on a mount point in my $HOME -- do whatever I needed to do -- then
unmount the remote file system. ... all at the command line.
An annoyance I've always cursed is the inability of `cp`, `mv`, or even
`rsync` to replicate the from_file permissions to the to-file's
permissions with the `sshfs` mounts -- because the owning userids are
different between the two file systems. Even tho', immediately after
getting the error message from `cp`, I can `chmod` the permissions to
what I want without any error. sigh...
That command line Miky-Maus was not something I wanted to foist on my
wife. So, I spent maybe an hour today trying to find a way around the
problem in general. No joy.
So, for the first time in my testing, I fired up konqueror with two
panes: one pane on $HOME/ amd the other pane on the already-mounted
remote file system.
Then I copied from a local directory a large collection of files with
many, many different possible permissions set all the way through the
public permissions. I was going to go through the "right click on the
file" => "Properties" => "permissions" =>
owner|group|others change
process to make a write up for her to follow.
KONQUEROR ROCKS!
The file were all copied up to the
remote file system WITH THE ORIGINAL FILE'S PERMISSIONS!!!
KONQUEROR ROCKS!
Thank you KDE; Thank you TDE; Thank you Trinity!!
(Gee... I sure hope that's not a bug!!! If so, DON'T FIX IT!!!)
Life is good!
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | Marvin | W3DHJ | linux
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | FreeBSD __
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | SK
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/
Please remember not to top-post:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
28 Apr
28 Apr
10:25 p.m.
On Tuesday 28 April 2020 03:06:06 pm Marvin Jones via trinity-users wrote:
I'm build a linux workstation for my wife -- her
first linux box.
Since her last immersion in command line usage was back in CP/M day,
and then DOS before Windows, I am trying to set her up with as many
GUI solutions as possible. konqueror is, of course, a prime choice!
We both work on web sites, and move "stuff" to and fro a VPS we share.
In my own usage I've been using `sshfs` to mount the remote file system
on a mount point in my $HOME -- do whatever I needed to do -- then
unmount the remote file system. ... all at the command line.
An annoyance I've always cursed is the inability of `cp`, `mv`, or even
`rsync` to replicate the from_file permissions to the to-file's
permissions with the `sshfs` mounts -- because the owning userids are
different between the two file systems. Even tho', immediately after
getting the error message from `cp`, I can `chmod` the permissions to
what I want without any error. sigh...
That command line Miky-Maus was not something I wanted to foist on my
wife. So, I spent maybe an hour today trying to find a way around the
problem in general. No joy.
So, for the first time in my testing, I fired up konqueror with two
panes: one pane on $HOME/ amd the other pane on the already-mounted
remote file system.
Then I copied from a local directory a large collection of files with
many, many different possible permissions set all the way through the
public permissions. I was going to go through the "right click on the
file" => "Properties" => "permissions" =>
owner|group|others change
process to make a write up for her to follow.
KONQUEROR ROCKS!
The file were all copied up to the
remote file system WITH THE ORIGINAL FILE'S PERMISSIONS!!!
KONQUEROR ROCKS!
Thank you KDE; Thank you TDE; Thank you Trinity!!
(Gee... I sure hope that's not a bug!!! If so, DON'T FIX IT!!!)
That's just cool!
Any chance you'd be willing to add a write up on how to set that all up on?:
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Tips_And_Tricks
Best,
Michael
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/
Please remember not to top-post:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
29 Apr
29 Apr
12:58 a.m.
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020, Michael wrote:
On Tuesday 28 April 2020 03:06:06 pm Marvin Jones via
trinity-users wrote:
Well, it's not so much a "how to set that all up",
as much as it is a Great Undocumented Feature.
So, yes, I'll write it up in that tone -- Real Soon Now.
Best regards,
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | Marvin | W3DHJ | linux
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | FreeBSD __
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | SK
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/
Please remember not to top-post:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
I'm build a linux workstation for my wife --
her first linux box.
Since her last immersion in command line usage was back in CP/M day,
and then DOS before Windows, I am trying to set her up with as many
GUI solutions as possible. konqueror is, of course, a prime choice!
We both work on web sites, and move "stuff" to and fro a VPS we share.
In my own usage I've been using `sshfs` to mount the remote file system
on a mount point in my $HOME -- do whatever I needed to do -- then
unmount the remote file system. ... all at the command line.
An annoyance I've always cursed is the inability of `cp`, `mv`, or even
`rsync` to replicate the from_file permissions to the to-file's
permissions with the `sshfs` mounts -- because the owning userids are
different between the two file systems. Even tho', immediately after
getting the error message from `cp`, I can `chmod` the permissions to
what I want without any error. sigh...
That command line Miky-Maus was not something I wanted to foist on my
wife. So, I spent maybe an hour today trying to find a way around the
problem in general. No joy.
So, for the first time in my testing, I fired up konqueror with two
panes: one pane on $HOME/ amd the other pane on the already-mounted
remote file system.
Then I copied from a local directory a large collection of files with
many, many different possible permissions set all the way through the
public permissions. I was going to go through the "right click on the
file" => "Properties" => "permissions" =>
owner|group|others change
process to make a write up for her to follow.
The file were all copied up to the
remote file system WITH THE ORIGINAL FILE'S PERMISSIONS!!!
KONQUEROR ROCKS!
Thank you KDE; Thank you TDE; Thank you Trinity!!
(Gee... I sure hope that's not a bug!!! If so, DON'T FIX IT!!!)
That's just cool!
Any chance you'd be willing to add a write up on how to set that all up on?:
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Tips_And_Tricks 
1 Jun
1 Jun
10:13 p.m.
On 04/28/2020 03:06 PM, Marvin Jones via trinity-users wrote:
KONQUEROR ROCKS!
The file were all copied up to the
remote file system WITH THE ORIGINAL FILE'S PERMISSIONS!!!
KONQUEROR ROCKS!
Thank you KDE; Thank you TDE; Thank you Trinity!!
That's just the tip of the iceberg,
Open kate, and just open the remote files via sftp:// and then save the
project. Next time you open kate, just select your project and presto -- all
your remote files are open and ready to edit.
If you are really into the web development, then use Quanta instead of Kate
(it's just kate plus a lot of additions centered on web development)
Konqueror can use sftp:// as well. No need to mount the remote system with
sshfs, just sftp:// to it and you are there.
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/
Please remember not to top-post:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
10:27 p.m.
On Mon, 1 Jun 2020, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 04/28/2020 03:06 PM, Marvin Jones via trinity-users
wrote:
Ah, but a bit of caution using sftp:// in konqueror. It seems konqueror
opens and closes the connection many, many times during what would seem
to you to be a single session. That's the way I used konqueror in the
past -- not know of the "performance" issue.
But, my web host implemented some more "robust" security in the last
6-8-9 months, and the high rate of ssh connections would blacklist my
workstation's IP. I understand the web host's concern and I moved to
scripting those connections (several web sites) to _that_ web host
via:
sshfs mount the remote"/public_html/"
execute konqueror with a specific split-screen profile for that
mounted sshfs directory.
- fiddle fiddle fiddle -
- konqueror ends -
sshfs umount the remote directory.
Works a treat.
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | Marvin | W3DHJ | linux
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | FreeBSD __
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | SK
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/
Please remember not to top-post:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
KONQUEROR ROCKS!
The file were all copied up to the
remote file system WITH THE ORIGINAL FILE'S PERMISSIONS!!!
KONQUEROR ROCKS!
Thank you KDE; Thank you TDE; Thank you Trinity!!
That's just the tip of the iceberg,
Open kate, and just open the remote files via sftp:// and then save the
project. Next time you open kate, just select your project and presto -- all
your remote files are open and ready to edit.
If you are really into the web development, then use Quanta instead of Kate
(it's just kate plus a lot of additions centered on web development)
Konqueror can use sftp:// as well. No need to mount the remote system with
sshfs, just sftp:// to it and you are there.
2 Jun
2 Jun
9:41 a.m.
On 06/01/2020 05:27 PM, Marvin Jones via trinity-users wrote:
Ah, but a bit of caution using sftp:// in konqueror.
It seems konqueror
opens and closes the connection many, many times during what would seem
to you to be a single session. That's the way I used konqueror in the
past -- not know of the "performance" issue.
But, my web host implemented some more "robust" security in the last
6-8-9 months, and the high rate of ssh connections would blacklist my
workstation's IP. I understand the web host's concern and I moved to
scripting those connections (several web sites) to _that_ web host
via:
sshfs mount the remote"/public_html/"
execute konqueror with a specific split-screen profile for that
mounted sshfs directory.
- fiddle fiddle fiddle -
- konqueror ends -
sshfs umount the remote directory.
Works a treat.
Jonesy
Ah, I do recall years go there would be multiple sftp_kio processes running
that may be what you are describing. That should all be fixed. I'm sitting
here with kate and 18 open sftp:// connections to a web-site on my server and
no lingering sftp-kio processes anywhere. I think that problem was fixed
several years ago. (but I can see when that problem was occurring how your
provider may have flagged you for open repeat connections.)
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/
Please remember not to top-post:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
3:50 p.m.
On Tuesday 02 June 2020 04:41:45 am David C. Rankin wrote:
On 06/01/2020 05:27 PM, Marvin Jones via trinity-users
wrote:
You'd most likey need to look at the server log files to see if it's opening
and closing sessions multiple times.
I usually work local and push all changes after it passes QA, but if/when I
needed to edit a remote resource, I use Jonesy's method*, as there is no
guess work about there being just a single session open for editing. (also
less stress on the server, blah, blah...)
ymmv,
Michael
* It's also very easy to create a script based on Jonesy's method, so it's
just a single command to run (or click if you desire).
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/
Please remember not to top-post:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
Ah, but a bit of caution using sftp:// in
konqueror. It seems konqueror
opens and closes the connection many, many times during what would seem
to you to be a single session. That's the way I used konqueror in the
past -- not know of the "performance" issue.
But, my web host implemented some more "robust" security in the last
6-8-9 months, and the high rate of ssh connections would blacklist my
workstation's IP. I understand the web host's concern and I moved to
scripting those connections (several web sites) to _that_ web host
via:
sshfs mount the remote"/public_html/"
execute konqueror with a specific split-screen profile for that
mounted sshfs directory.
- fiddle fiddle fiddle -
- konqueror ends -
sshfs umount the remote directory.
Works a treat.
Jonesy
Ah, I do recall years go there would be multiple sftp_kio processes running
that may be what you are describing. That should all be fixed. I'm sitting
here with kate and 18 open sftp:// connections to a web-site on my server
and no lingering sftp-kio processes anywhere. I think that problem was
fixed several years ago. (but I can see when that problem was occurring how
your provider may have flagged you for open repeat connections.) 
5 Jun
5 Jun
5:41 p.m.
On Monday, June 1, 2020 3:27 PM, Marvin Jones via trinity-users
<trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
Ah, but a bit of caution using sftp:// in konqueror.
It seems
konqueror opens and closes the connection many, many times
during what
I've never seen that with Konqueror, I have to reload the file tree to see changes. On
the other hand, I get timed out pretty damn quick on an idle ssh connection... I wonder if
there are settings in Konqueror or Kate that can cause the behavior you describe, e.g.
Kate watching for changed files.
Dave
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/
Please remember not to top-post:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
5:56 p.m.
On Friday 05 June 2020 12:41:17 pm Dave Lers wrote:
Hi Dave,
That’s an SSH configuration setting (you’ll need to search on it), as I have
idle SSH connections that last for months…
Best,
Michael
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/
Please remember not to top-post:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
On Monday, June 1, 2020 3:27 PM, Marvin Jones via
trinity-users
<trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
Ah, but a bit
of caution using sftp:// in konqueror. It seems
konqueror opens and closes the connection many, many times
during what
I've never seen that with Konqueror, I have to reload the file tree to see
changes. On the other hand, I get timed out pretty damn quick on an idle
ssh connection
6 Jun
6 Jun
1:49 a.m.
On Friday, June 5, 2020 10:56 AM, Michael <mb_trinity_desktop(a)inet-design.com>
wrote:
On Friday 05 June 2020 12:41:17 pm Dave Lers wrote:
I should have said the connection dies (dead terminal, no messages) and I'm pretty
sure it's OVH (VPS host) dropping the connection. I've never a had problem with
self hosted servers having the same sshd config, e.g. the default TCPKeepAlive yes.
Dave
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/
Please remember not to top-post:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
I've never seen that with Konqueror, I have
to reload the file tree to see
changes. On the other hand, I get timed out pretty damn quick on an idle
ssh connection
Hi Dave,
That’s an SSH configuration setting (you’ll need to search
on it), as I have idle SSH connections that last for months…
1423
days inactive
1462
days old
9 comments
4 participants
participants (4)
-
Dave Lers -
David C. Rankin -
Marvin Jones via trinity-users -
Michael