5 Oct
2018
5 Oct
'18
12:08 p.m.
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018, William Morder wrote:
> I assumed readers would know I meant that, in Linux, drivers are packaged
in
a
such a way
that quite often we "never notice them", as you put it; except,
that is, when it comes to third-party, proprietary stuff.
ok, so it just comes down to a matter of perception but we have
agreement on what a 'driver' is (thanks, E. Liddel) and also that not
everything is "out of the box" in Linux for some of us.
> Thanks for the message, as I am glad to see that your address is not marked as
spam.
E. Liddel's messages *always* go to spam in my case as well as one or
two others. no loss since I regularly check and haul them out but then
they are not in sequence. my address hides the fact it is a gmail
system. I should write a filter.
f.
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Felmon Davis
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5 Oct
5 Oct
12:31 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [users] Re: In defense of TDE copy - E. Liddel's messages
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018, Kate Draven wrote:
if he's being punished so much, he must be doing something wrong.
E.
Liddel's messages *always* go to spam in my case as well as one or
two others. no loss since I regularly check and haul them out but then
they are not in sequence. my address hides the fact it is a gmail
system. I should write a filter.
f.
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Felmon Davis
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I noticed the same thing. Even though I have green lighted E. Liddel's
messages, they still end up in spam. So I have to fish them out as well.
A friend at google says it happens because their filtering setups, are
designed to favour paid adverts and spam tag nonpaying competitors. He
guesses E. Liddel, must be similar enough to a nonpaying competitor to be
filtered into spam.
Honestly I think they have it out for Liddel.
Cheers to all
Kate
PS Whenever I see an email from Felmon, I always think Felonious Monk, and
then think of the Monk series. Which only proves, I have a strange mind. No
offense Felmon.
I had to look that one up. I was familiar with Thelonious Monk, guess
you intend a pun. there is, as it happens, a Felonious Munk, who is
some kind of comedian.
I like to believe that my name is some kind of 'corruption' of
Philemon to whom St. Paul wrote a somewhat infamous letter.
but frankly, I don't know.
f.
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Felmon Davis
2:03 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [users] Re: In defense of TDE copy - E. Liddell's messages
On Friday 05 October 2018 12:31:14 Felmon Davis wrote:
Actually, I think that *Felmon* is probably a corruption of *fell* and *man*;
or as we would say nowadays, you're the fall guy.
By the way, as long as we are waxing both poetic and silly, I'd like to point
out that my alter-ego, Dr Contendo, was not meant to imply that I like to
argue. (Since we seem to get into a lot of trivial disputes in this mailing
list, I will offer the apologia that I actually have little taste for
argument, except in the academic sense.)
I originally took it from Marlon Brando's line in *On the Waterfront*: "I
coulda bin a contenduh!" And then, after a little research, I recalled that
there are a host of other meanings in Latin, and most obscure of which is "I
tune up [a musical instrument]" ...
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/contendo
... which suggested to me a famous incident told in one of the "lives" of the
Buddha, the episode just before he goes off to meditate under the Tree and
achieve his supreme awakening. There are also other meanings such as
striving, pushing forward, etc., which sort of suggests the lines from Paul's
Gospel, "I have fought the good fight, I have run the race."
In other words, I have almost got there, but not quite. Now, if we could just
all get along here, this will eventually lead to World Peace ... or at least,
peace in my own world.
Another few turns on the wheel, and my soul will be in tune at last.
Bill
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018, Kate Draven wrote:
if he's being punished so much, he must be doing something wrong.
Not true! We must presume his innocence unless where we have no reason to
believe otherwise. Besides, I have been thought suspicious myself on
occasion, when I was guilty only of being a stranger in those parts.
Also, as I've pointed out before, the enigmatic Liddell (with two Ls, as in
Alice-in-Wonderland Liddell, as in Liddell & Scott), might not be a "he" at
all, as I've never noticed any clues about gender; indeed, our E.Liddell
could be a Chesire cat with opposable thumbs. The E maybe stands for
Euphonious, a good cat name; or perhaps is an allusion to the letter E at
Delphi?
https://www.loebclassics.com/view/plutarch-moralia_e_delphi/1936/pb_LCL306.…
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/misctracts/plutarchE.html
;-)
My own guess is that he might use the same address for something else besides
our mailing list, or that his name or address is similar enough to an actual
spammer, and gets him marked as spam because he got on some master list used
by Google, Zoho and others. Or something like that.
E.
Liddel's messages *always* go to spam in my case as well as one or
two others. no loss since I regularly check and haul them out but then
they are not in sequence. my address hides the fact it is a gmail
system. I should write a filter.
f.
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Felmon Davis
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I noticed the same thing. Even though I have green lighted E. Liddel's
messages, they still end up in spam. So I have to fish them out as well.
A friend at google says it happens because their filtering setups, are
designed to favour paid adverts and spam tag nonpaying competitors. He
guesses E. Liddel, must be similar enough to a nonpaying competitor to
be filtered into spam.
Honestly I think they have it out for Liddel. Cheers to all
Kate
PS Whenever I see an email from Felmon, I always think Felonious Monk,
and then think of the Monk series. Which only proves, I have a strange
mind. No offense Felmon.
I had to look that one up. I was familiar with Thelonious Monk, guess
you intend a pun. there is, as it happens, a Felonious Munk, who is
some kind of comedian.
I like to believe that my name is some kind of 'corruption' of
Philemon to whom St. Paul wrote a somewhat infamous letter.
but frankly, I don't know.
f.
4:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [users] Re: In defense of TDE copy - E. Liddell's messages
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018, William Morder wrote:
Also, as I've pointed out before, the enigmatic Liddell (with two Ls, as in
Alice-in-Wonderland Liddell, as in Liddell & Scott), might not be a "he"
at
all, as I've never noticed any clues about gender;
right. I apologize for presuming. E. Liddell might be an 'it' also,
next-few generations AI.
My own guess is that he might use the same address for
something else besides
our mailing list, or that his name or address is similar enough to an actual
spammer, and gets him marked as spam because he got on some master list used
by Google, Zoho and others. Or something like that.
what disappoints is that there should be enough clues that a spam
filter would accept the name and address for this list.
really nicht onomatopoetry that follows but I won't include it all
just this bit,
Actually, I think that *Felmon* is probably a
corruption of *fell* and *man*;
or as we would say nowadays, you're the fall guy.
you are being too kind. 'fell' also means 'evil, deadly, cruel' as in
'one fell swoop', so watch out!
Another few turns on the wheel, and my soul will be in
tune at last.
or whittled to a nub.
f.
--
Felmon Davis
4:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [users] Re: In defense of TDE copy - E. Liddell's messages
On Friday 05 October 2018 16:15:20 Felmon Davis wrote:
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018, William Morder wrote:
Yeah, I was also thinking of that meaning of *fell*. Good Anglo-Saxon word.
Bill
Also, as I've pointed out before, the
enigmatic Liddell (with two Ls, as
in Alice-in-Wonderland Liddell, as in Liddell & Scott), might not be a
"he" at all, as I've never noticed any clues about gender;
right. I apologize for presuming. E. Liddell might be an 'it' also,
next-few generations AI.
My own guess is that he might use the same
address for something else
besides our mailing list, or that his name or address is similar enough
to an actual spammer, and gets him marked as spam because he got on some
master list used by Google, Zoho and others. Or something like that.
what disappoints is that there should be enough clues that a spam
filter would accept the name and address for this list.
really nicht onomatopoetry that follows but I won't include it all
just this bit,
Actually, I think that *Felmon* is probably a
corruption of *fell* and
*man*; or as we would say nowadays, you're the fall guy.
you are being too kind. 'fell' also means 'evil, deadly, cruel' as in
'one fell swoop', so watch out!
Another few turns on the wheel, and my soul will
be in tune at last.
or whittled to a nub.
f. 
6 Oct
6 Oct
9:39 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [users] Re: In defense of TDE copy - E. Liddell's messages
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 14:03:43 -0700
William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com> wrote:
Also, as I've pointed out before, the enigmatic
Liddell (with two Ls, as in
Alice-in-Wonderland Liddell, as in Liddell & Scott), might not be a "he" at
all, as I've never noticed any clues about gender; indeed, our E.Liddell
could be a Chesire cat with opposable thumbs. The E maybe stands for
Euphonious, a good cat name; or perhaps is an allusion to the letter E at
Delphi?
Alas, I have been found out! I'm actually an advanced android in the
form of a cat, who was ditched in the street after the world conquest
plans of the scientist who created me failed to pan out. And who needs
opposable thumbs, anyway? Get the right kind of keyboard, and you
can type with your tail. Unlike flesh-and-blood cats, I don't even need
minions to open cans for me. ;)
(It's much more amusing to see to see what theories people come up with
about me than to tell the bland and boring truth.)
My own guess is that he might use the same address for
something else besides
our mailing list, or that his name or address is similar enough to an actual
spammer, and gets him marked as spam because he got on some master list used
by Google, Zoho and others. Or something like that.
This is a fairly old email account (from the gmail semi-closed beta days)
that I use mostly for lists. I can think of several reasons why Google
might be uncomfortable with it, but if I had to guess, they're just ticked off
that I've figured out how to avoid seeing their ads even if logged in through
the website (and I can't remember the last time I even did that). Or it's
the DKIM thing again.
I should probably switch this list over to my non-gmail account, but I'm
suffering from a chronic shortage of round tuits.
E. Liddell
10 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [users] Re: In defense of TDE copy - E. Liddell's messages
On Saturday 06 October 2018 09:39:48 E. Liddell wrote:
The longer one has an email account, I think, the more spam it attracts, and
the more likely it is to get put on somebody's list.
Bill
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 14:03:43 -0700
William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com> wrote:
I knew it was a cat!
Also, as I've pointed out before, the
enigmatic Liddell (with two Ls, as
in Alice-in-Wonderland Liddell, as in Liddell & Scott), might not be a
"he" at all, as I've never noticed any clues about gender; indeed, our
E.Liddell could be a Chesire cat with opposable thumbs. The E maybe
stands for Euphonious, a good cat name; or perhaps is an allusion to the
letter E at Delphi?
Alas, I have been found out! I'm actually an advanced android in the
form of a cat, who was ditched in the street after the world conquest
plans of the scientist who created me failed to pan out. And who needs
opposable thumbs, anyway? Get the right kind of keyboard, and you
can type with your tail. Unlike flesh-and-blood cats, I don't even need
minions to open cans for me. ;)
(It's much more amusing to see to see what
theories people come up with
about me than to tell the bland and boring truth.)
Definitely a male cat. Needs to be neutered.
My own guess
is that he might use the same address for something else
besides our mailing list, or that his name or address is similar enough
to an actual spammer, and gets him marked as spam because he got on some
master list used by Google, Zoho and others. Or something like that.
This is a fairly old email account (from the gmail semi-closed beta days)
that I use mostly for lists. I can think of several reasons why Google
might be uncomfortable with it, but if I had to guess, they're just ticked
off that I've figured out how to avoid seeing their ads even if logged in
through the website (and I can't remember the last time I even did that).
Or it's the DKIM thing again.
I should probably switch this list over to my non-gmail account, but I'm
suffering from a chronic shortage of round tuits.
E. Liddell
11:18 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [users] Re: In defense of TDE copy - E. Liddell's messages
On Sat, 6 Oct 2018, E. Liddell wrote:
I can think of several reasons why Google might be
uncomfortable
with it, but if I had to guess, they're just ticked off that I've
figured out how to avoid seeing their ads even if logged in through
the website (and I can't remember the last time I even did that).
I am doing something wrong because I never see advertisements. I
wouldn't see them in union.edu because that's part of 'Google Apps for
Education' but using Firefox I don't see them in other accounts
either. I feel a bit deprived, like my dollar ain't good enough.
Or it's the DKIM thing again.
emails from you have this header added by Google: "This message has a
from address in googlemail.com but has failed googlemail.com's
required tests for authentication."
I guess that's not saying much.
(hey, maybe it's because your email name (before @googlemail.com)
looks like a Windows 'driver' (.dll)!)
f.
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Felmon Davis
11:40 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] list emails
Someone posited:
> Or it's the DKIM thing again.
YES!! IT'S THE DKIM "THING" AGAIN. STOP GUESSING.
I have a Great ISP -- who does Fantastic spam filtering.
The Trinity list emails all go into the Spam folder -- because
of DKIM failure. https://www.google.com/search?q=dkim+spf
Or, they normally would...
Except, I am able to insert _my_ email filters in ahead of any
filtering by my ISP. And, thus I can direct these emails to a
folder of my choosing in spite of the DKIM failures.
Now-a-days there are many, many ISP's that flat out reject incoming
email traffic if the DKIM check fails. Other ISPs call it spam (which
it is most often) and shunt it to the spam folder.
Calling it "Ham" in some ISPs may only solve the problem for a short
time -- until that "up vote" ages off.
Jonesy
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