Hi David

Thanks for the information and welcome. I would appreciate any assistance in locating these scripts and advice setting up Cobber TDE to take advantage of TDE's infrastructure. My plan with Cobber is to offer 2 versions of each DE. The 1st is an absolute bare bones install with just the bare DE plus a web browser and Synaptic. This version will be for people who have their own ideas of what applications they want. The 2nd is a full DE with a specific set of applications for the user who just wants their PC to do what they need with a minimum of fuss.

Cheers. Michael.

P.S. Everything I personally create for/with Cobber will be GPL and available either on Cobber's github page or in Cobber's sourceforge repository.

On 28 April 2014 18:40, David Hare davidahare@gmail.com wrote:

On 27/04/14 12:00, Michael . wrote:

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Hi I'm Michael (k3lt01) and I am the lead (read only) person involved in CobberLinux (1) or Cobber for short.

The intent behind Cobber is to create an Australasian Linux that is easy to use and suits the countries in Australasia. I have created my own repository (using reprepro) and it is hosted on sourceforge (2). To give Australasian users a wide variety of choices I am creating different flavours or Cobber using different Desktop Environments. My intent is to support, via translation and repository hosting if need be, Desktop Environments who support Cobber's Australasian users. By this I mean Desktop Environments that allow and encourage users to have their own language (or national language) as standard in the distribution.

Now that I have briefly explained Cobber I have 2 questions for you.

1. How do I translate Trinity Desktop Environment into Australian (New

Zealand, Papua New Guinean) English? I have a transifex account (user name k3lt01) and a script to do automatic translations. I have already translated MATE, XFCE, and Pidgin messenger and will translate Gnome and KDE when I get the time (they have a massive amount of pot files to work through). 2. Would you like, or even allow, me to host your packages in Cobber's sourceforge repository so that cobber users have a geographically close mirror to access?

(1) http://cobberlinux.wordpress.com (2) http://cobberlinux.wordpress.com/2014/04/07/cobber-linux- repository-information/

Cheers. Michael (k3lt01)

Good luck Michael! I maintain Exe GNU/Linux (Debian with TDE) and help also with Refracta (xfce) live images.

I can't answer your specific questions. However if you need any help with, e.g. hd/usb installers, master/remaster scripts, TDE-specific live-config scripts, bloat reduction strategies etc.., feel free to ask. Such scripts already exist for Debian, are tested and working and are GPL.

David

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I've made about 9 remasters with various versions of Remastersys and have done some script edits to make it work with TDE. Have also used unmodified Refracta snapshot, so far only on Exe/Wheezy.

Mine have been oriented towards creating turnkey CAD/CAM/CNC mega-distros with full media functionality. I'm a bit stuck on the issue of making them available for download. At the moment I'm on the verge of figuring out how to do it with torrent, but not quite there yet.

On 4/28/14, Michele Calgaro michele.calgaro@yahoo.it wrote:

Hi Micheal, I think the final words should come from Tim who is the project coordinator. Personally I think one more distro supporting TDE would be good news. Anyhow just for your info, we currently support Debian stable. I use Testing for development and builds are available, while we do not build anything on sid. TDE was born as a fork of KDE 3.5, so translation follow the same process as KDE (i.e. lots of pot files).

Cheers Michele

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Hi Michele and Chris.

Chris, I have iso images (not with TDE) but they are not uploaded yet I have also torrent files made but until I decided to use the sourceforge service I couldn't justify making torrents. Because sourceforge has many mirrors around the world torrent are a viable option again.

I use DebianLive for creating Cobber, it works well and is native to Debian. Once a month I let DebianLive do its job and I have a new totally up to date iso. The only thing with DebianLive is you really have to know before you start what combinations work, especially for minimal installs

Michele, I noticed TDE is only on Stable and Oldstable. I will see how it runs with testing and sid and make a decision from there. If it runs well I'll do a version with testing as well. If it doesn't I'll stick with Stable.

Cheers

On 29 April 2014 06:30, Chris Graham chrisdgraham22@gmail.com wrote:

I've made about 9 remasters with various versions of Remastersys and have done some script edits to make it work with TDE. Have also used unmodified Refracta snapshot, so far only on Exe/Wheezy.

Mine have been oriented towards creating turnkey CAD/CAM/CNC mega-distros with full media functionality. I'm a bit stuck on the issue of making them available for download. At the moment I'm on the verge of figuring out how to do it with torrent, but not quite there yet.

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Hi Micheal, I think the final words should come from Tim who is the project coordinator. Personally I think one more distro supporting TDE would be good news. Anyhow just for your info, we currently support Debian stable. I use

Testing

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for development and builds are available, while we do not build anything

on

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sid. TDE was born as a fork of KDE 3.5, so translation follow the same

process as

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KDE (i.e. lots of pot files).

Cheers Michele

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Re TDE-specific scripts for debian-live:

You will see more clearly if you inspect a recent ExeGNU image. (I am working on R14 now) http://exegnulinux.net/downloads/wheezy/tde-r14/

The package list is available separately at the same address. It uses selected TDE packages rather than the full tde-desktop. The image is <700MB but still very functional.

Essential custom (deb) packages, available at http://exegnulinux.net/apt/ :

exegnu-snapshot (includes installer) live-config-trinity snapshot2usb

The installer dialogs are translation-ready but only done in English and Spanish so far.

Other custom debs are in that repo e.g. gtk-youtube-viewer (for wheezy and jessie/sid)

Much (Debian-) live-image-related info/discussion at http://refracta.freeforums.org/

BTW TDE works fine at the moment in Sid but may not always.

Here is another way to do remasters: http://exegnulinux.net/refracta/experimental/remaster-snapshot_1.1

Disclaimer: Use at your own risk..

IMO refractasnapshot is good, safe and maintained. Remastersys has had it's day.

Refracta-installer is more advanced than exegnu- but dialogs are not yet translation-ready.

There is also a more advanced live-usb installer (refracta2usb, forked from exegnu2usb and snapshot2usb) which can set up multiboot, persistence and other things unetbootin cannot.

Both installers can use zenity but zenity is (IMO) crippled gtk3 bloat; yad is needed for full functionality.

David

Michele, I noticed TDE is only on Stable and Oldstable. I will see how it runs with testing and sid and make a decision from there. If it runs well I'll do a version with testing as well. If it doesn't I'll stick with Stable.

Michael, I have been using TDE in Testing for more than a year without major problems, except for the occasional FTBFS when a dependency packaga gets updated. My guess is that TDE will work in Sid as well, perhaps a few more FTBFS.

If you interested in building TDE for Sid, you can clone the source code from the Git repo: git clone http://scm.trinitydesktop.org/scm/git/tde git clone http://scm.trinitydesktop.org/scm/git/tde-packaging Then you can use the build scripts for Jessie and try to build in Sid.

Alternatively you can download prebuilt nightly build packages from Slavek's repo (but no Sid): http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb/dists

Cheers Michele

Michele I've never built packages before and while I would really love to learn that is something I'll practise on for quite a while before putting them in Cobber. I'd much prefer to rely on experts in the field for somethings.

David I did a LiveBuild last night with Trinity, I'll dd it to a usb drive today and take a look at it. As with anything it's the finer details that make or break a working system so I'll be taking my time to get it right. I don't want to release something that isn't quite right because I rushed it and have people think Trinity is the problem. I'll probably be asking many questions along the way. You mention live-config-trinity, is that a script of your own making or is it available online?

On 29 April 2014 19:39, David Hare davidahare@gmail.com wrote:

Actually live-build is the proper tool for the job, creating a totally clean build using debootstrap and a chroot. Refractasnapshot is not intended as a replacement for live-build, it is an easy-to-use GUI method to produce a working live-image from an existing installation.

Debian's live-config mechanism does not support TDE (live-session-specific configs for autologin, kpersonalizer, locale, language, sudo...) however does support additional custom scripts like live-config-trinity.

Of course whatever installer you use must reverse some of those edits (tdmrc and others).

RE Sid: Slavek's Jessie binaries work fine here at the moment. In the past the crucial ones depended on a specific binutils version which broke them for Sid.

David

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