Yikes!! I finally got past the Ubuntu DDoS and successfully updated my 24.04 machine last night -- together with updating Trinity to the new release.
In that process I received the "...installed but no long needed" display containing A LARGE number of programs. I hand-checked several and it appeared that the new Trinity release was renaming trinity-<programs> to <programs>. So, nevously, I ran the "sudo apt autoremove' -- which, indeed, remove A LARGE number of programs. The system seemed ok after the update and I shut it down for the night.
This morning I powered it up and soon found that `kwrite` did not exist. I checked `kate`, and it, too, was gone.
Probably A LARGE number of other Trinity programs/utilities are gone, too.
If I try to run "sudo apt-get install kwrite", the process wants to install a monstrous list of KDE stuff! -- which I did not do.
I need advice on how to proceed and correct this.
Too bizarre, Jonesy -- Marvin L Jones | Marvin | W3DHJ | linux Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | FreeBSD __ 38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | SK
Anno domini 13:17:59 Tue, 5 May 2026 -0000 (UTC) Jonesy via tde-users scripsit:
Yikes!! I finally got past the Ubuntu DDoS and successfully updated my 24.04 machine last night -- together with updating Trinity to the new release.
In that process I received the "...installed but no long needed" display containing A LARGE number of programs. I hand-checked several and it appeared that the new Trinity release was renaming trinity-<programs> to <programs>. So, nevously, I ran the "sudo apt autoremove' -- which, indeed, remove A LARGE number of programs. The system seemed ok after the update and I shut it down for the night.
This morning I powered it up and soon found that `kwrite` did not exist. I checked `kate`, and it, too, was gone.
Probably A LARGE number of other Trinity programs/utilities are gone, too.
If I try to run "sudo apt-get install kwrite", the process wants to install a monstrous list of KDE stuff! -- which I did not do.
I need advice on how to proceed and correct this.
You could install "tde-trinity" - that should pull in most of the vanished stuff. "kate" pulls in "kate" from KDE5. TDEs "kate" lives in "kate-trinity" (and you might want to install "kate-plugins-trinity", too).
Nik
Too bizarre, Jonesy -- Marvin L Jones | Marvin | W3DHJ | linux Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | FreeBSD __ 38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | SK
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On Tue, 5 May 2026 15:35:14 +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 13:17:59 Tue, 5 May 2026 -0000 (UTC) Jonesy via tde-users scripsit:
Yikes!! I finally got past the Ubuntu DDoS and successfully updated my 24.04 machine last night -- together with updating Trinity to the new release.
In that process I received the "...installed but no long needed" display containing A LARGE number of programs. I hand-checked several and it appeared that the new Trinity release was renaming trinity-<programs> to <programs>. So, nevously, I ran the "sudo apt autoremove' -- which, indeed, remove A LARGE number of programs. The system seemed ok after the update and I shut it down for the night.
This morning I powered it up and soon found that `kwrite` did not exist. I checked `kate`, and it, too, was gone.
Probably A LARGE number of other Trinity programs/utilities are gone, too.
If I try to run "sudo apt-get install kwrite", the process wants to install a monstrous list of KDE stuff! -- which I did not do.
I need advice on how to proceed and correct this.
You could install "tde-trinity" - that should pull in most of the vanished stuff. "kate" pulls in "kate" from KDE5. TDEs "kate" lives in "kate-trinity" (and you might want to install "kate-plugins-trinity", too).
Well, `kate-trinity` and "kate-plugins-trinity" installed ok. But: jonesy@nix6:~$ sudo apt-get install kwrite-trinity Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package kwrite-trinity jonesy@nix6:~$
Maybe it's part of a bigger pkg?
Jonesy
Jonesy via tde-users wrote:
Well, `kate-trinity` and "kate-plugins-trinity" installed ok. But: jonesy@nix6:~$ sudo apt-get install kwrite-trinity Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package kwrite-trinity jonesy@nix6:~$
Maybe it's part of a bigger pkg?
$ which kwrite /opt/trinity/bin/kwrite
$ dpkg -S /opt/trinity/bin/kwrite kate-trinity: /opt/trinity/bin/kwrite
in one liner dpkg -S $(which kwrite)
Jonesy via tde-users wrote on 5/5/26 7:17 AM:
<programs>. So, nevously, I ran the "sudo apt autoremove' -- which, indeed, remove A LARGE number of programs. The system seemed ok after the update and I shut it down for the night.
I know that this is of no help to you (other than to say that someone understands your pain), but in my long use of apt-based systems, I have twice done an autoremove, and both times immediately regretted it because, like you, I discovered that a ton of frequently-used and important programs were removed. I now treat autoremove as some kind of practical joke :-(
It seems to work sensibly when called behind the scenes as part of a system upgrade; but I now never, ever run it manually, no matter how tempting it sometimes seems.
Doc
On Tue, 5 May 2026 07:39:41 -0600, D. R. Evans via tde-users wrote:
Jonesy via tde-users wrote on 5/5/26 7:17 AM:
<programs>. So, nevously, I ran the "sudo apt autoremove' -- which, indeed, remove A LARGE number of programs. The system seemed ok after the update and I shut it down for the night.
I know that this is of no help to you (other than to say that someone understands your pain), but in my long use of apt-based systems, I have twice done an autoremove, and both times immediately regretted it because, like you, I discovered that a ton of frequently-used and important programs were removed. I now treat autoremove as some kind of practical joke :-(
It seems to work sensibly when called behind the scenes as part of a system upgrade; but I now never, ever run it manually, no matter how tempting it sometimes seems.
Well, sigh, it's come to that.... This is the first time in 20+ years on ubuntu where 'autoremove' has screwed me. I will go forward using your advice on this. Thanks, Jonesy
On Tue May 5 2026 06:17:59 Jonesy via tde-users wrote:
In that process I received the "...installed but no long needed" display containing A LARGE number of programs. I hand-checked several and it appeared that the new Trinity release was renaming trinity-<programs> to <programs>.
It sounds like you installed something from KDE which conflicted with TDE causing a large chunk of TDE to be removed.
So, nevously, I ran the "sudo apt autoremove' -- which, indeed, remove A LARGE number of programs. The system seemed ok after the update and I shut it down for the night.
This morning I powered it up and soon found that `kwrite` did not exist. I checked `kate`, and it, too, was gone.
Probably A LARGE number of other Trinity programs/utilities are gone, too.
If still possible, try to capture what actually happened from shell history and/or logfiles so that lessons can be learned.
Otherwise I suggest at this point that you follow the TDE instructions for a fresh TDE installation, not an upgrade, as you have to replace everything that was removed. Do not delete anything. Just install a fresh TDE over the scraps of whatever is left. And carefully decide what to do with any KDE conflicts that arise.
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instr...
--Mike
On Tue, 5 May 2026 06:41:30 -0700, Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
On Tue May 5 2026 06:17:59 Jonesy via tde-users wrote:
In that process I received the "...installed but no long needed" display containing A LARGE number of programs. I hand-checked several and it appeared that the new Trinity release was renaming trinity-<programs> to <programs>.
It sounds like you installed something from KDE which conflicted with TDE causing a large chunk of TDE to be removed.
So, nevously, I ran the "sudo apt autoremove' -- which, indeed, remove A LARGE number of programs. The system seemed ok after the update and I shut it down for the night.
This morning I powered it up and soon found that `kwrite` did not exist. I checked `kate`, and it, too, was gone.
Probably A LARGE number of other Trinity programs/utilities are gone, too.
If still possible, try to capture what actually happened from shell history and/or logfiles so that lessons can be learned.
Otherwise I suggest at this point that you follow the TDE instructions for a fresh TDE installation, not an upgrade, as you have to replace everything that was removed. Do not delete anything. Just install a fresh TDE over the scraps of whatever is left. And carefully decide what to do with any KDE conflicts that arise.
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instr...
hmmm... installing "over" doesn't seem to work. jonesy@nix6:~$ sudo aptitude install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity kubuntu-default-settings-trinity is already installed at the requested version (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) kubuntu-desktop-trinity is already installed at the requested version (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) kubuntu-default-settings-trinity is already installed at the requested version (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) kubuntu-desktop-trinity is already installed at the requested version (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
and `man aptitude` does not show any "force" option to replace existings.
Jonesy
On Tue May 5 2026 08:51:00 Jonesy via tde-users wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2026 06:41:30 -0700, Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
On Tue May 5 2026 06:17:59 Jonesy via tde-users wrote: Otherwise I suggest at this point that you follow the TDE instructions for a fresh TDE installation, not an upgrade, as you have to replace everything that was removed. Do not delete anything. Just install a fresh TDE over the scraps of whatever is left. And carefully decide what to do with any KDE conflicts that arise.
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_In structions#Install_Trinity
hmmm... installing "over" doesn't seem to work. jonesy@nix6:~$ sudo aptitude install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity kubuntu-default-settings-trinity is already installed at the requested version (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) kubuntu-desktop-trinity is already installed at the requested version (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) kubuntu-default-settings-trinity is already installed at the requested version (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) kubuntu-desktop-trinity is already installed at the requested version (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
Hi Jonesy,
Remember please that we are only guessing here. You have posted only a brief outline of what happened.
I suggest you next try "apt -f install".
If that doesn't work I suggest that you try to provide us with more details as to the current state of your packages, e.g. "dpkg -l", and how this state came to be.
--Mike
P.S. To quickly answer your question elsewhere in this thread: kwrite is included in kate-trinity.
On Tue, 5 May 2026 06:41:30 -0700, Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
On Tue May 5 2026 06:17:59 Jonesy via tde-users wrote:
In that process I received the "...installed but no long needed" display containing A LARGE number of programs. I hand-checked several and it appeared that the new Trinity release was renaming trinity-<programs> to <programs>.
It sounds like you installed something from KDE which conflicted with TDE causing a large chunk of TDE to be removed.
So, nevously, I ran the "sudo apt autoremove' -- which, indeed, remove A LARGE number of programs. The system seemed ok after the update and I shut it down for the night.
This morning I powered it up and soon found that `kwrite` did not exist. I checked `kate`, and it, too, was gone.
Probably A LARGE number of other Trinity programs/utilities are gone, too.
If still possible, try to capture what actually happened from shell history and/or logfiles so that lessons can be learned.
Otherwise I suggest at this point that you follow the TDE instructions for a fresh TDE installation, not an upgrade, as you have to replace everything that was removed. Do not delete anything. Just install a fresh TDE over the scraps of whatever is left. And carefully decide what to do with any KDE conflicts that arise.
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instr...
The instuctions and references there do not match (IIRC) with the way my system was built back in Sept/Oct 2024 -- which was done according to the online Trinity instructions at that time.
Doing the `aptitude install` resulted in jonesy@nix6:~$ sudo aptitude install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity kubuntu-default-settings-trinity is already installed at the requested version (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) kubuntu-desktop-trinity is already installed at the requested version (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) kubuntu-default-settings-trinity is already installed at the requested version (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) kubuntu-desktop-trinity is already installed at the requested version (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. jonesy@nix6:~$
So, Doing "reinstall" instead of "install" yields this: jonesy@nix6:~$ sudo aptitude reinstall kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity The following packages will be REINSTALLED: kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B/4,542 kB of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. (Reading database ... 291077 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../kubuntu-default-settings-trinity_4%3a14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0_all.deb ... Unpacking kubuntu-default-settings-trinity (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) over (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) ... Preparing to unpack .../kubuntu-desktop-trinity_4%3a14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0_amd64.deb ... Unpacking kubuntu-desktop-trinity (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) over (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) ... Setting up kubuntu-default-settings-trinity (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) ... Setting up kubuntu-desktop-trinity (4:14.1.6-0ubuntu24.04.0+0) ... jonesy@nix6:~$
huh? No joy. There's got to be 'more' involved in a total reinstall! Jonesy
Jonesy via tde-users wrote:
If I try to run "sudo apt-get install kwrite", the process wants to install a monstrous list of KDE stuff! -- which I did not do.
TDE packages are called <package>-trinity
For the rest: Renaming is part of the plan to prevent collision with KDE. Usually when I do update and have such situation it helps to identify the base packages and do apt (or apt-get) --reinstall install <package>-trinity. Sometimes apt --fix-broken or --fix-missing help. I recently had another case (when upgrading testing, which was trixie to stable, which is trixie now) ... where an icon or a file was moved to another package and I got a collision and broken install. Doublechecking and then used --ignore-depends. So it depends on the situation, but there are good solutions anyway.
deloptes composed on 2026-05-05 15:51 (UTC+0200):
TDE packages are called <package>-trinity
Except when they're not, IME: .debs, yes; .rpms, no. rpm packages are trinity-<package>, so all grouped together in searches and package lists, instead of scattered throughout eternity. ;)
On Tue, 5 May 2026 13:17:59 -0000 (UTC), Jonesy via tde-users wrote:
Yikes!! I finally got past the Ubuntu DDoS and successfully updated my 24.04 machine last night -- together with updating Trinity to the new release.
In that process I received the "...installed but no long needed" display containing A LARGE number of programs. I hand-checked several and it appeared that the new Trinity release was renaming trinity-<programs> to <programs>. So, nevously, I ran the "sudo apt autoremove' -- which, indeed, remove A LARGE number of programs. The system seemed ok after the update and I shut it down for the night.
This morning I powered it up and soon found that `kwrite` did not exist. I checked `kate`, and it, too, was gone.
Probably A LARGE number of other Trinity programs/utilities are gone, too.
So, I gave in and restored from a backup of the system files as of May 3. ( https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift ) I had `timeshift` installed on the system from day 1, but it's daily operations annoyed me. So I cut it back to once-a-week -- Saturday. I'm now glad I didn't uninstall it at that time -- I had thought about doing that.
Of course, I want to move to the new release of Trinity. But I will proceed carefully, slowly, and document all the surprises and results -- in case I need to return here with the same $#&^*^ problem.
Thank you, all of you, that were trying to help!! I appreciate comforting voices. In my antiquity, I don't handle changes well. And when I'm dealt change+disaster, I start leaking sawdust.
Jonesy
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