25 Dec
2021
25 Dec
'21
7:40 p.m.
Okay, so this happens to me kind of a lot, first on my desktop, now on this
laptop to which I am transferring my system.
On my desktop, I get round some of these problems with an external wifi
adapter (an old C.Crane WiFire antenna). Whenever I pack up my desktop, then
I will be able to try it out on the laptop, too, but for now that is a big
hassle.
Problem is, I actually have wireless with the laptop, and the signal is
stronger than with my wifi antenna on my desktop. But after installing TDE
and getting out of the xfce desktop, the wifi works through two or three
reboots, then suddenly it says I have problems with dbus, or that I am not
authorized to manage networking, etc.
I enabled the non-free and contrib packages in the repositories, and I already
got all the packages that I am supposed to need for wireless networking, and
this helps ... for a while. But like I said, after a couple of reboots, the
wireless disappears. I believe that it still works if I go into the xfce
desktop, so why doesn't my tdenetworkmanager or wicd or anything seem to
work?
I've already gone through the usual troubleshooting tricks, iwconfig,
ifconfig, etc. When I try to enable wireless, why do I get an error message
that txpower is "wrong syntax"? Also, I expected that the name of the
wireless connection would follow Beowulf/Buster with wlx-something. I hear
that Chimaera/Bullseye is supposed to wlps20, but after installing TDE, I
find that it has somehow reverted to Jessie-style names, wlan0 ... which
doesn't seem right. I don't have anything but Devuan Chimaera installed.
My laptop is a Lenovo Ideapad 3 15.6", 8 gb DDR. Everything is factory, except
that I upgraded the internal hard drive from a 128 gb to a 2 tb. It's one of
those newer SSDs.
Please feel free to trim. I just tried to include everything that seemed like
it could be signficant. Thanks for any help or suggestions.
Bill
25 Dec
25 Dec
10:26 p.m.
On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 11:40:26 -0800
William Morder via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
I've already gone through the usual
troubleshooting tricks, iwconfig,
ifconfig, etc. When I try to enable wireless, why do I get an error message
that txpower is "wrong syntax"? Also, I expected that the name of the
wireless connection would follow Beowulf/Buster with wlx-something. I hear
that Chimaera/Bullseye is supposed to wlps20, but after installing TDE, I
find that it has somehow reverted to Jessie-style names, wlan0 ... which
doesn't seem right. I don't have anything but Devuan Chimaera installed.
wlan0 (and eth0) are the default names branded into the kernel. Unless a specific
kernel command-line option is passed, udev or equivalent overules the default
during the boot process. So there's nothing intrinsically wrong with those names—
Devuan probably just sets "net.ifnames=0".
Now, what do you know about the wireless hardware itself? Do you know
what driver it uses? The chipset (I think you may have said previously, but I
don't remember)? Is it one of the rfkill-encumbered chipsets? Is
wpa_supplicant installed, or are you genuinely trying to configure everything
via wireless_tools (iw*)?
E. Liddell
11:24 p.m.
On Saturday 25 December 2021 14:26:22 E. Liddell wrote:
On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 11:40:26 -0800
Now, what do you know about the wireless hardware itself? Do you know
what driver it uses? The chipset (I think you may have said previously,
but I don't remember)? Is it one of the rfkill-encumbered chipsets?
Qualcomm Atheros Wireless Network Adapter
64 bits
I already installed the firmware, and it worked, both in xfce and in the TDE
desktops. Then after a few reboots (during which I neither installed nor
removed anything), it suddenly stops, and all the network icons say network
is disabled.
sudo lshw -C network
yields this:
*-network DISABLED
sudo rfkill unblock wlan
(in any combination) seems to do nothing. I made little changes to the file:
/etc/network/interfaces
which accomplished nothing, so I restored the original configuration, and
still nothing.
Is
wpa_supplicant installed, or are you genuinely trying to configure
everything via wireless_tools (iw*)?
E. Liddell
I never did manage to get wpa_supplicant to work right. Usually I can depend
on wicd-gtk, if nothing else, but it seems that it won't work any more in
chimaera/bullseye (although I found it in the sid repositories). So I purged
wicd, and still nothing. I tried restarting networking, network-manager, etc.
On Beowulf/Buster, I had problems with the tdenetworkmanager. I would actually
prefer to stick with TDE, but it seems to prefer systemd. I believe it was
yourself who suggested that I could use elogd (is that the name?) and do
without systemd. I thought that I would give Debian and systemd a try, since
I have a much more up-to-date machine to work with, but it was a still a pain
in the seat of my behind to get Debian to work (as I forget about those
non-free packages).
The thing is, I have a fairly limited period of time to get this working
right, so that I can make a few trips. If I can at least get Devuan working,
then later I can try out Debian and systemd on top of that working
configuration.
Bill
11:52 p.m.
On Saturday 25 December 2021 14:26:22 E. Liddell wrote:
On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 11:40:26 -0800
Is wpa_supplicant installed, or are you genuinely
trying to configure
everything via wireless_tools (iw*)?
E. Liddell
I didn't want anybody to think ill of me, that I was averse to new
experiences, so I poked around and found that wpa_supplicant has a wpa_gui.
So I fired it up, entered all the necessary information, shared key, etc.,
and I get a message "Could not get status from wpa_supplicant".
On one of my reboots I went into the bios settings, just to be sure, and I do
have wifi enabled, so it's not a problem at that level.
The puzzle for me is why it will work just fine for a few reboots. Once I get
it working, I avoid messing with it until I know my system better, but this
doesn't make any sense. It works, then it doesn't.
Bill
26 Dec
26 Dec
12:18 a.m.
On Sat December 25 2021 15:52:19 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
The puzzle for me is why it will work just fine for a
few reboots. Once I
get it working, I avoid messing with it until I know my system better, but
this doesn't make any sense. It works, then it doesn't.
FWIW I've used TDE and wifi with many Debian versions and one or
two Debuan versions and am currently using Debian Bullseye.
I do not use systemd or network-manager or network-manager-tde or
wicd or any other wifi automation other than wpa_supplicant.
I simply edit /etc/network/interfaces to include:
auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet manual
wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
iface default inet dhcp
And then /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf as appropriate, e.g.:
network={
ssid="Some SSID"
psk="trinityrulez"
}
network={
ssid="Another SSID"
key_mgmt=NONE
}
You might want to see if you can get the basics working reliabily before
worrying about automation or GUI.
--Mike
12:31 a.m.
On Saturday 25 December 2021 16:18:20 Mike Bird wrote:
On Sat December 25 2021 15:52:19 William Morder via
tde-users wrote:
I will give this a try. FWIW, I am trying to avoid using a lot of GUI stuff.
But, as I said, I don't have for ever to get this working right.
It has been more than a few years since I have had a new machine to work on; I
copied over everything from my desktop, but since it's different hardware
(and so many other things), I don't overwrite anything, but just use them for
reference.
Bill
The puzzle for me is why it will work just fine
for a few reboots. Once I
get it working, I avoid messing with it until I know my system better,
but this doesn't make any sense. It works, then it doesn't.
FWIW I've used TDE and wifi with many Debian versions and one or
two Debuan versions and am currently using Debian Bullseye.
I do not use systemd or network-manager or network-manager-tde or
wicd or any other wifi automation other than wpa_supplicant.
I simply edit /etc/network/interfaces to include:
auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet manual
wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
iface default inet dhcp
And then /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf as appropriate, e.g.:
network={
ssid="Some SSID"
psk="trinityrulez"
}
network={
ssid="Another SSID"
key_mgmt=NONE
}
You might want to see if you can get the basics working reliabily before
worrying about automation or GUI.
--Mike
27 Dec
27 Dec
1:49 p.m.
On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 15:52:19 -0800
William Morder via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On Saturday 25 December 2021 14:26:22 E. Liddell
wrote:
Did you have the daemon running in the background? The various
configurators for wpa_supplicant act as clients with the daemon as
a server.
Back to basics. Your /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf file should
contain a line that sets ctrl_interface to something (no idea what the
recommendations for your distro are), and one that says "update_config=1".
Open two konsole (or whatever) windows. In one, issue (tack on sudo
if required):
# killall wpa_supplicant
# wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -dd
That should restart the daemon in the foreground in debug mode. In the
other konsole:
# wpa_cli
Unless some error message pops up in the boilerplate, at the new prompt
say "scan" and then "scan_results". If at that point, it gives you an
ugly
table of SSIDs, everything is working as it should, and you can tell it
"quit" and try wpa_gui again.
E. Liddell
On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 11:40:26 -0800
Is wpa_supplicant installed, or are you genuinely
trying to configure
everything via wireless_tools (iw*)?
E. Liddell
I didn't want anybody to think ill of me, that I was averse to new
experiences, so I poked around and found that wpa_supplicant has a wpa_gui.
So I fired it up, entered all the necessary information, shared key, etc.,
and I get a message "Could not get status from wpa_supplicant".
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