tde-users February 2012

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Re: [trinity-users] Poll
by Gerhard Zintel 12 Feb '12

12 Feb '12

On Sunday 12 February 2012, Timothy Pearson wrote: > If TDE were to close down, which desktop would you use instead? You would > be allowed to abandon Linux entirely in this scenario. ;-) > > Please state why you have not already switched; i.e. what item are missing > or suboptimal in the other environment. > > I am curious as to why TDE still exists and need some concrete examples to > fall back on to counter detractors. > A lot was stated already and for most of the comments I could agree fully! Nevertheles here are my 2 cents as well. I'm with KDE3 from the very beginning (and with KDE2 before). It was a big disappointment for me when I realized which way KDE4 was going to go starting with things like - dropping Konqueror in favor of Dolphin - demanding from the users to switch to a desktop (KDE4) with absolute reduced functionality - banning users from the discussion list because they were no Fanboys of KDE4 - ... I did not upgrade from Ubuntu Gutsy (was this the latest one with KDE3 officially included in repos?) because I simply did not know which DE to use instead until I found TDE. I'm so glad KDE3 still exists. I bought a netbook 3 years ago and I installed Ubuntu Lenny with Gnome2 as there was a netbook-edition available and there was nothing comparable available for KDE3. I got used to work with it but I'm not really happy with the lack of functionallity and the way it could be customized. I installed the next version (Maverick?) for a friend of mine again with the netbook edition and know what? even there you saw regression in Gnome2 (Nautilus no longer had the address text field available showing the path where you are (don't know the correct name for this)). With Gnome3, it's getting even worse. At work I had to upgrade the Linux system to KDE4 2 years ago. A few guys were working via VNC on this system. What worked well on KDE3 for years was totally strange on KDE4. VNC server / client have been totally broken with the new graphics rendering of KDE4. I found Tiger-VNC program that helped a bit but I could net really got accustomed to KDE4. I now have upgraded to Lenny LTS and downgraded KDE4 to TDE happily! For me, there is no alternative to KDE3 / TDE. If you really drop it I would try to use the existing version as long as possible. Yes, there is room for improvement, e.g. the following 3 items come to mind: - Konqueror more and more has problems to render actuall Web-pages, it would be very nice if we could switch from KHTML to Webkit as I don't think that the effort to renew KHTML libraries could be done. - For using TDE on netbooks the screen size of a lot of dialogs is simply too big for the available screen estate and they can't be reduced. Bear in mind that especially netbooks could greatly take advantage from KDE3. - What I find totally anoying is the way how self-mounted external devices are named. Instead of using simply the names you find by using the mount command (/media/something), you find some system:/media/other-thing! As I'm often still using the command line I can not simply copy the location out of Konquerors address bar but have instead to use mount to get it's correct location. ------------ As you easily see I'm no native speaker. I hope I was able to make myself at least understandable. I'd like to take the opportunity to say a big THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU to Tim and all the others who made Trinity a reality. Please go on with the good work! A happy TDE user Gerhard

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kdebluetooth
by Mike Bird 12 Feb '12

12 Feb '12

On Sat February 11 2012 17:41:18 Calvin Morrison wrote: > > (Just as we still use Debian's ancient kdebluetooth with TDE.) > > Do you have this working currently, I'm looking to get this > kdebluetooth up and running. Can I get details? Hi Calvin, We're currently using Debian Squeeze with TDE 3.5.13 and Debian's kdebluetooth 1.0~beta8-5. I don't recall whether that came from Lenny or an earlier version, but it's still in the archive: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kdebluetooth/kdebluetooth_1.0~beta… I don't know whether you need all these but I have these "*blue*" packages installed on my TDE+Gnome laptop: # dpkg -l | grep -i blue ii bluetooth 4.66-3 Bluetooth support ii bluez 4.66-3 Bluetooth tools and daemons ii bluez-alsa 4.66-3 Bluetooth ALSA support ii bluez-cups 4.66-3 Bluetooth printer driver for CUPS ii bluez-gstreamer 4.66-3 Bluetooth GStreamer support ii bluez-utils 4.66-3 Transitional package ii gnome-bluetooth 2.30.0-2 GNOME Bluetooth tools ii kdebluetooth 1.0~beta8-5 KDE Bluetooth Framework ii libbluetooth2 3.36-1 Library to use the BlueZ Linux Bluetooth stack ii libbluetooth3 4.66-3 Library to use the BlueZ Linux Bluetooth stack ii libgnome-bluetooth7 2.30.0-2 GNOME Bluetooth tools - support library ii libkbluetooth0 1.0~beta8-5 Bluetooth library for KDE ii mplayer-skin-blue 1.6-2 blue skin for mplayer (irrelevant) I've never found kdebluetooth particularly easy to use but it still works in TDE's Konqueror to transfer pictures from my cell. --Mike Bird

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[trinity-users] Most kdesu problems seem fixed
by David Hare 09 Feb '12

09 Feb '12

Not everyone, particularly Debian users, wants sudo globally enabled. There are numerous kdesu bugs, possibly related. I posted another only today. This issue has been my most major usability annoyance with TDE from the beginning and till today was unresolved. I just found, quite by accident, this one, titled "startkde (starttde) needs updating" http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675 The solution (for 3.5.13, in /opt/trinity/bin/startkde) is simply: 112a113,114 > ### out ## > 114,116c116,128 < if [ -z "$KDEROOTHOME" ] && [ "$UID" = "0" ]; then < echo "[startkde] User ID is $UID. Setting KDEROOTHOME to $KDEHOME." < export KDEROOTHOME=$KDEHOME --- > #if [ -z "$KDEROOTHOME" ] && [ "$UID" = "0" ]; then > # echo "[startkde] User ID is $UID. Setting KDEROOTHOME to $KDEHOME." > # export KDEROOTHOME=$KDEHOME > #fi > > ### in ##re: http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675 > > # kdesu needs something to find root's TDE profile. Set the TDEROOTHOME variable > # here as last resort. /root/.trinity is a safe presumption. If an admin wants > # a different location then set the TDEROOTHOME variable elsewhere. > if [ -z "$KDEROOTHOME" ]; then > export KDEROOTHOME=/root/.trinity > echo "startkde: Setting KDEROOTHOME to $KDEROOTHOME." 118a131,134 > > ################################### > > I could before not even change the clock without getting root-owned files in ~. Now, no more dcopserver crashes. Gksu, sux and su-to-root -C work. I can set a different appearance for root instances of kwrite,konq,.. Not fully tested yet but good so far. If Darryl reads this, thanks enormously. David

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Install of libjpeg-turbo
by Jean Milot 08 Feb '12

08 Feb '12

Hi all, I would like to know how to install libjpeg turbo on Debian Squeeze and on Ubuntu lts 10.04. For Ubuntu, i have see a package but how to active it. I don't know how to use dpkg-divert. And i have also a package for Debian : http://people.debian.org/~fabo/libjpeg-turbo_1.1.90+svn704-1/ How it works ? I need to use also dpkg-divert. Sincerely, Jean -- MILOT Jean Tél. : 0659514624 milot.jean(a)gmail.com

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Trinity Desktop in RHEL5 i386
by Jesus Fernandez 06 Feb '12

06 Feb '12

Hello, I'm trying to install Trinity Desktop into my workstation but when I run the yum install it fails because a lot of packages are not found. I opened the http://mirror.ets.kth.se/trinity/trinity/rpm/el5/trinity-3.5.13/RPMS/i386/u… to see the contents of the repository but it's completely empty. I tried with other RHEL version and archs and have a lot of files on it. Is there any mirror available to install it? Best regards.

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Move from Lenny and KDE to Squeeze and TDE
by Lisi 06 Feb '12

06 Feb '12

A few months ago, when my desktop turned its toes up and went skywards to its rest, I started to use my testbed machine as a temporary desktop. It was already running Squeeze and TDE, so I moved my mail folders and set out to use it. My emails simply wouldn't display, and when I installed Lenny on this machine I found that said emails had been mauled. Fortunately, I had three copies and the third was fine. So far, so good. Now Lenny has been pensioned off. (Well, will have been by tomorrow.) I clearly have to face Squeeze and TDE again. But I want my email; emails, folders and all. I can find no reference to anything other than what I did, and it is not impossible that the HDD was faulty and that that is the problem. I have searched on Google, but so far as I can tell, I did the right thing. So please, before I dive in again, and this time I would not be able to retreat to Lenny, can I have all and any advice on how to save my emails? Other than take a large number of copies, which I shall do anyway. Thanks, Lisi

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LXDE, TDE and KMail - can I achieve what I would like to do?
by Lisi 02 Feb '12

02 Feb '12

My husband's desktop died pretty conclusively at the beginning of teh mirror outage. Not knowing about the outage, I set out to install Squeeze + TDE. Without success, of course. I tried David's offering, which I liked very much and had help from several people on this list, but had not succeeded in getting it all running properly when my husband came home. So I installed LXDE so that he could use Thunderbird to read his emails. He has fallen for the speed of LXDE, and, for once, doesn't mind having to work differently. He wants to keep LXDE. I therefore have a lot of TDE dependencies, but no actual TDE packages. 1) If I install the rest of TDE at this stage, so that it is there if needed, will it impact at all on LXDE's speed of booting up and shutting down? I had been intending, as part of the reinstall, to move him from Thunderbird to KMail. In KMail, it is easier to remove virus-laden emails, before he sends them on to Windows using friends, without damaging or altering other emails. And I know it a lot better, and can more readily answer questions. 2) Would using Kmail slow LXDE down at all? I have so far failed to work out a method for Peter to be able to get his emails in KMail without inputting a password. One used to be able to store the necessary login details and passwords in KMail, as one can in Thunderbird. For a while now, that has not been possible, and one has to go via KWallet, which demands a password. 3) Is there a workaround which would allow KMail to download the email from Gmail without any password being input?? One method would be to go back to using the ISP's POP3 server, instead of going via Gmail, as I have for a while now. But I would like to be able to continue sending his emails via Gmail. And log-in details would then need to be saved somewhere. Thanks, Lisi

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01 February 2012 Meeting Notes
by Robert Xu 01 Feb '12

01 Feb '12

All there: https://gist.github.com/1718892 Feel free to speak up should you have an opinion - the door is always open! -- later daze. :: Robert Xu :: rxu.lincomlinux.org :: protocol.by/rxu

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[Cross-Post][Reminder] 01 February Meeting
by Robert Xu 01 Feb '12

01 Feb '12

Just a reminder that the meeting is 01 February at 12 PM Eastern Standard Time. You may join us on IRC in the #trinity-desktop-meeting channel. If you do not have an IRC client, you may use this link: http://bit.ly/zVixaW to join us and participate. See you then! -- later daze. :: Robert Xu :: rxu.lincomlinux.org :: protocol.by/rxu

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