On Sunday 12 February 2012, Timothy Pearson wrote:
> If TDE were to close down, which desktop would you use instead? You would
> be allowed to abandon Linux entirely in this scenario. ;-)
>
> Please state why you have not already switched; i.e. what item are missing
> or suboptimal in the other environment.
>
> I am curious as to why TDE still exists and need some concrete examples to
> fall back on to counter detractors.
>
A lot was stated already and for most of the comments I could agree fully!
Nevertheles here are my 2 cents as well.
I'm with KDE3 from the very beginning (and with KDE2 before). It was a big
disappointment for me when I realized which way KDE4 was going to go
starting with things like
- dropping Konqueror in favor of Dolphin
- demanding from the users to switch to a desktop (KDE4) with absolute
reduced functionality
- banning users from the discussion list because they were no Fanboys of
KDE4
- ...
I did not upgrade from Ubuntu Gutsy (was this the latest one with KDE3
officially included in repos?) because I simply did not know which DE to use
instead until I found TDE. I'm so glad KDE3 still exists.
I bought a netbook 3 years ago and I installed Ubuntu Lenny with Gnome2 as
there was a netbook-edition available and there was nothing comparable
available for KDE3. I got used to work with it but I'm not really happy with
the lack of functionallity and the way it could be customized. I installed
the next version (Maverick?) for a friend of mine again with the netbook
edition and know what? even there you saw regression in Gnome2 (Nautilus no
longer had the address text field available showing the path where you are
(don't know the correct name for this)). With Gnome3, it's getting even
worse.
At work I had to upgrade the Linux system to KDE4 2 years ago. A few guys were
working via VNC on this system. What worked well on KDE3 for years was
totally strange on KDE4. VNC server / client have been totally broken with
the new graphics rendering of KDE4. I found Tiger-VNC program that helped a
bit but I could net really got accustomed to KDE4. I now have upgraded to
Lenny LTS and downgraded KDE4 to TDE happily!
For me, there is no alternative to KDE3 / TDE. If you really drop it I would
try to use the existing version as long as possible.
Yes, there is room for improvement, e.g. the following 3 items come to mind:
- Konqueror more and more has problems to render actuall Web-pages, it
would be very nice if we could switch from KHTML to Webkit as I don't
think that the effort to renew KHTML libraries could be done.
- For using TDE on netbooks the screen size of a lot of dialogs is simply
too big for the available screen estate and they can't be reduced. Bear in
mind that especially netbooks could greatly take advantage from KDE3.
- What I find totally anoying is the way how self-mounted external devices
are named. Instead of using simply the names you find by using the mount
command (/media/something), you find some system:/media/other-thing!
As I'm often still using the command line I can not simply copy the location
out of Konquerors address bar but have instead to use mount to get it's
correct location.
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As you easily see I'm no native speaker. I hope I was able to make myself at
least understandable. I'd like to take the opportunity to say a big
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU
to Tim and all the others who made Trinity a reality. Please go on with the
good work!
A happy TDE user
Gerhard
On Sat February 11 2012 17:41:18 Calvin Morrison wrote:
> > (Just as we still use Debian's ancient kdebluetooth with TDE.)
>
> Do you have this working currently, I'm looking to get this
> kdebluetooth up and running. Can I get details?
Hi Calvin,
We're currently using Debian Squeeze with TDE 3.5.13 and
Debian's kdebluetooth 1.0~beta8-5. I don't recall whether
that came from Lenny or an earlier version, but it's still
in the archive:
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kdebluetooth/kdebluetooth_1.0~beta…
I don't know whether you need all these but I have these
"*blue*" packages installed on my TDE+Gnome laptop:
# dpkg -l | grep -i blue
ii bluetooth 4.66-3
Bluetooth support
ii bluez 4.66-3
Bluetooth tools and daemons
ii bluez-alsa 4.66-3
Bluetooth ALSA support
ii bluez-cups 4.66-3
Bluetooth printer driver for CUPS
ii bluez-gstreamer 4.66-3
Bluetooth GStreamer support
ii bluez-utils 4.66-3
Transitional package
ii gnome-bluetooth 2.30.0-2
GNOME Bluetooth tools
ii kdebluetooth 1.0~beta8-5
KDE Bluetooth Framework
ii libbluetooth2 3.36-1
Library to use the BlueZ Linux Bluetooth stack
ii libbluetooth3 4.66-3
Library to use the BlueZ Linux Bluetooth stack
ii libgnome-bluetooth7 2.30.0-2
GNOME Bluetooth tools - support library
ii libkbluetooth0 1.0~beta8-5
Bluetooth library for KDE
ii mplayer-skin-blue 1.6-2
blue skin for mplayer (irrelevant)
I've never found kdebluetooth particularly easy to use but it
still works in TDE's Konqueror to transfer pictures from my cell.
--Mike Bird
Not everyone, particularly Debian users, wants sudo globally enabled.
There are numerous kdesu bugs, possibly related. I posted another only
today.
This issue has been my most major usability annoyance with TDE from the
beginning and till today was unresolved.
I just found, quite by accident, this one, titled "startkde (starttde)
needs updating"
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675
The solution (for 3.5.13, in /opt/trinity/bin/startkde) is simply:
112a113,114
> ### out ##
>
114,116c116,128
< if [ -z "$KDEROOTHOME" ] && [ "$UID" = "0" ]; then
< echo "[startkde] User ID is $UID. Setting KDEROOTHOME to $KDEHOME."
< export KDEROOTHOME=$KDEHOME
---
> #if [ -z "$KDEROOTHOME" ] && [ "$UID" = "0" ]; then
> # echo "[startkde] User ID is $UID. Setting KDEROOTHOME to $KDEHOME."
> # export KDEROOTHOME=$KDEHOME
> #fi
>
> ### in ##re: http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675
>
> # kdesu needs something to find root's TDE profile. Set the
TDEROOTHOME variable
> # here as last resort. /root/.trinity is a safe presumption. If an
admin wants
> # a different location then set the TDEROOTHOME variable elsewhere.
> if [ -z "$KDEROOTHOME" ]; then
> export KDEROOTHOME=/root/.trinity
> echo "startkde: Setting KDEROOTHOME to $KDEROOTHOME."
118a131,134
>
> ###################################
>
>
I could before not even change the clock without getting root-owned
files in ~. Now, no more dcopserver crashes. Gksu, sux and su-to-root -C
work. I can set a different appearance for root instances of
kwrite,konq,..
Not fully tested yet but good so far.
If Darryl reads this, thanks enormously.
David
Hi all,
I would like to know how to install libjpeg turbo on Debian Squeeze and on
Ubuntu lts 10.04.
For Ubuntu, i have see a package but how to active it. I don't know how to
use dpkg-divert.
And i have also a package for Debian :
http://people.debian.org/~fabo/libjpeg-turbo_1.1.90+svn704-1/
How it works ? I need to use also dpkg-divert.
Sincerely,
Jean
--
MILOT Jean
Tél. : 0659514624
milot.jean(a)gmail.com
Hello,
I'm trying to install Trinity Desktop into my workstation but when I run
the yum install it fails because a lot of packages are not found.
I opened the
http://mirror.ets.kth.se/trinity/trinity/rpm/el5/trinity-3.5.13/RPMS/i386/u…
to see the contents of the repository but it's completely empty. I
tried with other RHEL version and archs and have a lot of files on it.
Is there any mirror available to install it?
Best regards.
A few months ago, when my desktop turned its toes up and went skywards to its
rest, I started to use my testbed machine as a temporary desktop. It was
already running Squeeze and TDE, so I moved my mail folders and set out to
use it. My emails simply wouldn't display, and when I installed Lenny on
this machine I found that said emails had been mauled. Fortunately, I had
three copies and the third was fine. So far, so good.
Now Lenny has been pensioned off. (Well, will have been by tomorrow.) I
clearly have to face Squeeze and TDE again. But I want my email; emails,
folders and all. I can find no reference to anything other than what I did,
and it is not impossible that the HDD was faulty and that that is the
problem. I have searched on Google, but so far as I can tell, I did the
right thing.
So please, before I dive in again, and this time I would not be able to
retreat to Lenny, can I have all and any advice on how to save my emails?
Other than take a large number of copies, which I shall do anyway.
Thanks,
Lisi
My husband's desktop died pretty conclusively at the beginning of teh mirror
outage. Not knowing about the outage, I set out to install Squeeze + TDE.
Without success, of course. I tried David's offering, which I liked very
much and had help from several people on this list, but had not succeeded in
getting it all running properly when my husband came home. So I installed
LXDE so that he could use Thunderbird to read his emails.
He has fallen for the speed of LXDE, and, for once, doesn't mind having to
work differently. He wants to keep LXDE.
I therefore have a lot of TDE dependencies, but no actual TDE packages.
1) If I install the rest of TDE at this stage, so that it is there if needed,
will it impact at all on LXDE's speed of booting up and shutting down?
I had been intending, as part of the reinstall, to move him from Thunderbird
to KMail. In KMail, it is easier to remove virus-laden emails, before he
sends them on to Windows using friends, without damaging or altering other
emails. And I know it a lot better, and can more readily answer questions.
2) Would using Kmail slow LXDE down at all?
I have so far failed to work out a method for Peter to be able to get his
emails in KMail without inputting a password. One used to be able to store
the necessary login details and passwords in KMail, as one can in
Thunderbird. For a while now, that has not been possible, and one has to go
via KWallet, which demands a password.
3) Is there a workaround which would allow KMail to download the email from
Gmail without any password being input??
One method would be to go back to using the ISP's POP3 server, instead of
going via Gmail, as I have for a while now. But I would like to be able to
continue sending his emails via Gmail. And log-in details would then need to
be saved somewhere.
Thanks,
Lisi
Just a reminder that the meeting is 01 February at 12 PM Eastern Standard Time.
You may join us on IRC in the #trinity-desktop-meeting channel. If you
do not have an IRC client, you may use this link: http://bit.ly/zVixaW
to join us and participate.
See you then!
--
later daze. :: Robert Xu :: rxu.lincomlinux.org :: protocol.by/rxu
