> On Thu September 10 2020 15:49:21 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via tde-users
wrote:
> > Sage advice. Advice I follow with redundancy.
> > I back up important stuff to a "backups" directory, then /home to another
> > internal drive, which is raided with another. Then to 2 external drives.
> >
> > I also make DVD backups.
> >
> > I lost data once, about 22 years ago. I had to start from scratch. Never
> > again.
>
> I can't afford the time for DVD backups these days but a lot of
> our stuff is mirrored, plus sets of three rotating hard drive
> backups via rsync over ssh. Your top risk factor then is human
> error.
>
> An unfortunate young lady sysadmin in our group circa 1980
> mistyped a tar-pipe-tar disk-to-disk backup command pipeline
> and with the pipe buffer then being a fixed 4KB managed to
> truncate every file on the server to 4KB. Took her several
> days to reinstall and reconfigure and recover from the weekly
> tape backup but she succeeded.
>
> I once accidentally deleted the wrong LVM volume group when
> reorganizing our backup system. After a screw-up like that
> it's important not to thrash around and possibly corrupt any
> deleted data. After much studying and heartburn vgcfgrestore
> fixed things perfectly in an instant.
>
> --Mike
> _______________________________________________
HUMANS? Mike, you need to spray for those.
Sounds like you have a good setup.
Me, however, I'm old fashioned. I don't believe in anything other than local
backups drives (some redudants are stored off site for safety) and DVDs. I
have a MASSIVE collection of DVDs books spanning back to 1995. I just popped
one in from 96 and copied the data to an ssd, just to see if I could do it.
No school like old school.
But seriously Mike, spray for those humans. They have diseases.
Kate
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> On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:44:42 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via tde-users
> wrote:
> > > On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:27:38 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via
> > > tde-users
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Thursday 10 September 2020, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
> > > > > Hello again!
> > > > >
> > > > > I told you that you'd miss me when I'm gone. :-]
> > > > >
> > > > > Please, I need recommendations or strategies for recovering data. I
> > > > > had
> >
> > a
> >
> > > > > flash drive become unreadable, after I plugged it into my new
printer
> > > > > to print out some documents that had been long in waiting. Then,
> > > > > before I could save myself, I had a 1.5 TB hard drive also fail. On
> > > > > this hard drive is (of course) the source of those backup copies on
> > > > > the flash drive. This is the partition which I was just about to
> > > > > backup.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have several hard drives, from 200 GB up to 8 TB, from 20 years
old
> > > > > to brand-new; all are WD, except for one which is Seagate. Guess
> > > > > which one failed? I forget when I got it, or why I ever would have
> > > > > got anything
> >
> > but
> >
> > > > > WD, or why I would have put anything important there.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have used ddrescue to try to recover the data, as well as other
> > > > > forensics tools. Recovered images (img and iso) are saved, and
taking
> > > > > up space, but I cannot determine if there is any useful content in
> > > > > what was recovered. The failing partition has not been deleted. It
> > > > > cannot be read or mounted, so I have just left it like that, so that
> > > > > I can try to save it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Every attempt to recover the data gives the same result: 2 errors,
> > > > > 3072 B, that cannot be read. I tried using tools to look inside the
> > > > > saved iso image, but no luck there. I don't want to erase or format
> > > > > the failing disk partition until I am sure that I have recovered the
> > > > > data.
> > > > >
> > > > > My last hope is that I have another 1.5 TB hard drive; I could try
to
> > > > > write the disk images to that partition before I format the old
> > > > > drive. But first, of course, I would need to backup materials from
> > > > > that drive, and now I am running out of space again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. And if things were not bad enough, the skies here in San
> > > > > Francisco are a muddy mixture of orange, black, brown and gray. At
> > > > > noon today, it looked like the middle of the night.
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org
> > > > > Web mail archive available at
> >
> > https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydes
> >
> > > > >kt op.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > There's another option but a wee bit expensive.
> > > >
> > > > Purchase the same model SG drive (or whatever model etc) that failed
> > > > and swap out the electronics.
> > > >
> > > > Assuming there's no mechanical damage, it will work.
> > > > It's often why I buy drives in pairs.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this was helpful.
> > > >
> > > > Kate
> > >
> > > It is an internal hard drive, not external. Is that what you mean?
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > I understand. I mean swap out the IDE boards on the drives.
> > Make sure to mark the bad one so you don't try to reuse it.
> >
> > I've done that only a few times but it works. They must be the same model.
> >
> > Kate
>
> I do have another 1.5 TB hard drive (though I would need to backup its data
> first); however, it is WD, not Seagate, and I would not willingly buy
another
> Seagate hard drive.
>
> Bill
> _______________________________________________
You can't mix boards. They must be the same make and model.
Perhaps you can buy just the board? Or a used working one?
I've used both SG and WD and have had far more failures with WD.
I guess it depends on the models and how they are used?
I currently have nearly all SG drives in the "big machine" the server.
12 drives in total with no failures over the last 10 years.
Kate
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> On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:27:38 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via tde-users
> wrote:
> > On Thursday 10 September 2020, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
> > > Hello again!
> > >
> > > I told you that you'd miss me when I'm gone. :-]
> > >
> > > Please, I need recommendations or strategies for recovering data. I had
a
> > > flash drive become unreadable, after I plugged it into my new printer to
> > > print out some documents that had been long in waiting. Then, before I
> > > could save myself, I had a 1.5 TB hard drive also fail. On this hard
> > > drive is (of course) the source of those backup copies on the flash
> > > drive. This is the partition which I was just about to backup.
> > >
> > > I have several hard drives, from 200 GB up to 8 TB, from 20 years old to
> > > brand-new; all are WD, except for one which is Seagate. Guess which one
> > > failed? I forget when I got it, or why I ever would have got anything
but
> > > WD, or why I would have put anything important there.
> > >
> > > I have used ddrescue to try to recover the data, as well as other
> > > forensics tools. Recovered images (img and iso) are saved, and taking up
> > > space, but I cannot determine if there is any useful content in what was
> > > recovered. The failing partition has not been deleted. It cannot be read
> > > or mounted, so I have just left it like that, so that I can try to save
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Every attempt to recover the data gives the same result: 2 errors, 3072
> > > B, that cannot be read. I tried using tools to look inside the saved iso
> > > image, but no luck there. I don't want to erase or format the failing
> > > disk partition until I am sure that I have recovered the data.
> > >
> > > My last hope is that I have another 1.5 TB hard drive; I could try to
> > > write the disk images to that partition before I format the old drive.
> > > But first, of course, I would need to backup materials from that drive,
> > > and now I am running out of space again.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > P.S. And if things were not bad enough, the skies here in San Francisco
> > > are a muddy mixture of orange, black, brown and gray. At noon today, it
> > > looked like the middle of the night.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org
> > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org
> > > Web mail archive available at
> > >
https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydes
> > >kt op.org
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > There's another option but a wee bit expensive.
> >
> > Purchase the same model SG drive (or whatever model etc) that failed and
> > swap out the electronics.
> >
> > Assuming there's no mechanical damage, it will work.
> > It's often why I buy drives in pairs.
> >
> > Hope this was helpful.
> >
> > Kate
> >
>
> It is an internal hard drive, not external. Is that what you mean?
>
> Bill
> _______________________________________________
I understand. I mean swap out the IDE boards on the drives.
Make sure to mark the bad one so you don't try to reuse it.
I've done that only a few times but it works. They must be the same model.
Kate
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> On Thursday 10 September 2020 11:11:22 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via tde-users
> wrote:
> > > On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:44:42 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via
> > > tde-users
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:27:38 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via
> > > > > tde-users
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday 10 September 2020, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello again!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I told you that you'd miss me when I'm gone. :-]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please, I need recommendations or strategies for recovering
data.
> > > > > > > I had
> > > >
> > > > a
> > > >
> > > > > > > flash drive become unreadable, after I plugged it into my new
> >
> > printer
> >
> > > > > > > to print out some documents that had been long in waiting. Then,
> > > > > > > before I could save myself, I had a 1.5 TB hard drive also fail.
> > > > > > > On this hard drive is (of course) the source of those backup
> > > > > > > copies on the flash drive. This is the partition which I was
just
> > > > > > > about to backup.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have several hard drives, from 200 GB up to 8 TB, from 20
years
> >
> > old
> >
> > > > > > > to brand-new; all are WD, except for one which is Seagate. Guess
> > > > > > > which one failed? I forget when I got it, or why I ever would
> > > > > > > have got anything
> > > >
> > > > but
> > > >
> > > > > > > WD, or why I would have put anything important there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have used ddrescue to try to recover the data, as well as
other
> > > > > > > forensics tools. Recovered images (img and iso) are saved, and
> >
> > taking
> >
> > > > > > > up space, but I cannot determine if there is any useful content
> > > > > > > in what was recovered. The failing partition has not been
> > > > > > > deleted. It cannot be read or mounted, so I have just left it
> > > > > > > like that, so that I can try to save it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Every attempt to recover the data gives the same result: 2
> > > > > > > errors, 3072 B, that cannot be read. I tried using tools to look
> > > > > > > inside the saved iso image, but no luck there. I don't want to
> > > > > > > erase or format the failing disk partition until I am sure that
I
> > > > > > > have recovered the data.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My last hope is that I have another 1.5 TB hard drive; I could
> > > > > > > try
> >
> > to
> >
> > > > > > > write the disk images to that partition before I format the old
> > > > > > > drive. But first, of course, I would need to backup materials
> > > > > > > from that drive, and now I am running out of space again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > P.S. And if things were not bad enough, the skies here in San
> > > > > > > Francisco are a muddy mixture of orange, black, brown and gray.
> > > > > > > At noon today, it looked like the middle of the night.
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org
> > > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org
> > > > > > > Web mail archive available at
> > > >
> > > >
https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinityd
> > > >es
> > > >
> > > > > > >kt op.org
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > > > There's another option but a wee bit expensive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Purchase the same model SG drive (or whatever model etc) that
> > > > > > failed and swap out the electronics.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Assuming there's no mechanical damage, it will work.
> > > > > > It's often why I buy drives in pairs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this was helpful.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kate
> > > > >
> > > > > It is an internal hard drive, not external. Is that what you mean?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > >
> > > > I understand. I mean swap out the IDE boards on the drives.
> > > > Make sure to mark the bad one so you don't try to reuse it.
> > > >
> > > > I've done that only a few times but it works. They must be the same
> > > > model.
> > > >
> > > > Kate
> > >
> > > I do have another 1.5 TB hard drive (though I would need to backup its
> > > data first); however, it is WD, not Seagate, and I would not willingly
> > > buy
> >
> > another
> >
> > > Seagate hard drive.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > You can't mix boards. They must be the same make and model.
> > Perhaps you can buy just the board? Or a used working one?
> >
> > I've used both SG and WD and have had far more failures with WD.
> > I guess it depends on the models and how they are used?
> > I currently have nearly all SG drives in the "big machine" the server.
> > 12 drives in total with no failures over the last 10 years.
> >
> > Kate
> >
>
> I always knew that, if Seagate somehow stays in business, then they must
have
> some customers somewhere. You must be the one.
>
> Bill
> _______________________________________________
10 years, 12 drives, on a highly active file server / Codec station.
No failures, no data loss. Can you argue with that?
You do you, I was just trying to help.
Kate
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Hello again!
I told you that you'd miss me when I'm gone. :-]
Please, I need recommendations or strategies for recovering data. I had a
flash drive become unreadable, after I plugged it into my new printer to
print out some documents that had been long in waiting. Then, before I could
save myself, I had a 1.5 TB hard drive also fail. On this hard drive is
(of course) the source of those backup copies on the flash drive. This is the
partition which I was just about to backup.
I have several hard drives, from 200 GB up to 8 TB, from 20 years old to
brand-new; all are WD, except for one which is Seagate. Guess which one
failed? I forget when I got it, or why I ever would have got anything but WD,
or why I would have put anything important there.
I have used ddrescue to try to recover the data, as well as other forensics
tools. Recovered images (img and iso) are saved, and taking up space, but I
cannot determine if there is any useful content in what was recovered. The
failing partition has not been deleted. It cannot be read or mounted, so I
have just left it like that, so that I can try to save it.
Every attempt to recover the data gives the same result: 2 errors, 3072 B,
that cannot be read. I tried using tools to look inside the saved iso image,
but no luck there. I don't want to erase or format the failing disk partition
until I am sure that I have recovered the data.
My last hope is that I have another 1.5 TB hard drive; I could try to write
the disk images to that partition before I format the old drive. But first,
of course, I would need to backup materials from that drive, and now I am
running out of space again.
Bill
P.S. And if things were not bad enough, the skies here in San Francisco are a
muddy mixture of orange, black, brown and gray. At noon today, it looked like
the middle of the night.
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> > See if you have the following installed.
> > trinity-tdebase-tdeio-plugins
> > check for all "tdeio" stuff.
> > I've also noticed trinity-tdeio-umountwrapper always gives me problems, so
I
> > remover it. Just in case you get some odd things trying to umount stuff.
> >
>
> Hi Kate,
> what problem do you have with trinity-tdeio-umountwrapper? Just wondering.
>
> Cheers
> Michele
>
>
Hi Michele
I think it wouldn't let me umount items from storage media applet.
I'll reinstall it later on and see if you want.
Kate
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Hi humans, AIs and others.
I would like everyone who has had problems with wicd to try the following.
Boot to kernel 4.19.124.
See if it works.
If it doesn't, copy the content of wicd-1.7.4-6 to root (as root).
Don't just reinstall.
Then try again.
Let me know what happens. Those who fail to comply, well, I have dolls...
Kate
The Great (and terrible).
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I have received word from on high that I, too, was doing it wrong. My
apologies for the 293 comments (and probably more, still counting) generated
by my mistake. It seems that when we hit reply, then change the header, we
are causing confusion in the mailing list. And for those who use threaded
messages, it causes multiple threads, or something like that.
It seems that there might have been a chain of these events, as I noticed
email addresses for both Gene and Nik in the headers. But anyway, I didn't
mean to spam the list; weird technical glitches on this side, sent emails
were getting rejected for "unknown transport" (which turns out to be, my
identity, or one of them). I've been doing it the same for a few years, since
I've had this email address. Why now?
When I "corrected" my "transport" to my real name, everything worked, but
suddenly all those rejected emails sitting in my outbox also got sent, too.
My intention was not to make a mess of things, but there it is.
I make the mistakes, so you don't have to; I create confusion, so you can see
the results of not following good protocol.
So the short version is: only hit reply if you intend to keep the topic within
the thread.
If we go off-topic, then we ought to create a brand-new email, not just hit
replay; otherwise, we drag email addresses and related threads upon threads
in, and we end up with 293 comments (I hear, but haven't seen them myself).
Again, apologies to everybody! And I hope that I've set up this one correctly.
Bill
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