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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: 2 questions
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 06 May '19

06 May '19

> On Sunday 05 May 2019 09:10:45 pm Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 07:00:14AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Nomenclature fail, I want to include an image inline so that I can > > > describe what the image is in the following text. > > > > You want an embedded image? > > > > # === begin message === > > > > Hi, we've just got back from holidays in sunny Aleppo, we had > > a wonderful time. Apparently the local government doesn't like > > tourists, we had a devil of a time getting to the city, but we > > made it eventually. > > > > <embedded picture> > > > > That's us with a lovely gentleman who helped us get into the > > city. We're standing by the side of his pickup. He must be some > > kind of hunter, judging by the number of guns he was carrying. > > > > <embedded picture> > > > > Here we are in the main street. The city must be having a > > construction boom, everywhere we went we saw buildings in the > > process of being demolished. I must say we weren't impressed > > by the worker's slack attitude to carting away the rubble. > > > > # === end message === > > > > Something like that? > > > > > Attachments have > > > worked fine for yonks, but I am refering to the "message->insert > > > file", and "message->insert file recent" pulldowns. > > > > The Insert File commands are used to insert text files into the body > > of a text email. Alas in the version of Kmail I have, it makes no > > attempt to distinguish between text files and arbitrary binary files, > > and will make a (very ineffective) attempt to embed the binary data > > into the message, with useless results. > > > > As far as I can see, it doesn't do what you want. > > > > > > [...] > > > > > Seems like this should be properly handled by mime? Not (spit) html. > > > > I think you misunderstand the technology. > > > > An email consists roughly of a bunch of header lines (text), followed > > by one or more chunks of data (attachments). The body of the email is > > itself an attachment. MIME is the mechanism used to announce what kind > > of data each attachment is: text, JPEG, HTML, something else. > > > > You can't embed an binary image (say, a JPEG) in the middle of a text > > file, because "plain text" has no internal structure to say "this is > > an image, this is a PDF, this is bold text, this line is centered". > > You can't open a text file in, say, KWrite, and tell it to embed a > > JPEG in the middle of the text. That's bit a failure of KWrite, that's > > a limitation of the plain text format, and that applies equally to > > plain text attachments in emails. > > > > To embed an image within a body of text, you need some kind of "rich > > text format" like a Word or LibreOffice document, or Microsoft's RTF, > > or the dreaded HTML. > > > > Word and LibreOffice docs are themselves binary format, so they can > > literally embed the image within the document itself, giving you a > > single file. But HTML is a plain text format, so it cannot (or at > > least not efficiently), so you need a seperate image attachment, while > > the HTML simply says "use this attached image here". > > > > There are other plain text formats capable of displaying images > > inline, such as ReST (ReStructured Text) but no email client I know of > > supports them. > > > > If you expect people reading the document to read it inside their mail > > client, rather than to save the file and open it in an external > > application, it needs to be a format which most mail clients > > understand. And that, I think, limits you to HTML. > > > > (There may be proprietary formats only understood by certain mail > > clients, e.g. Lotus Notes, Exchange, etc. but if you want a de facto > > standard, that means HTML.) > > > > In order to get the effect you want, you need a mail client capable of > > both of these: > > > > 1. Using HTML (or, theoretically, some other format); > > > > 2. Embedding an image inside the HTML. > > > > (To be precise: the image itself is an attachment, part of the email > > but not physically embedded inside the HTML; but a reference to the > > attachment is embedded in the HTML. In a manner of speaking, the HTML > > says "See here for image" and the mail client displays that image in > > place.) > > > > As far as I can tell, Kmail supports 1 but not 2 so you're out of luck > > unless you want to hand-craft a valid HTML file (good luck with > > that!), or use another mail client. Perhaps Thunderbird? > > Not so easy to learn as it does almost everything bass ackwards from what > I am used to. I know folks who've gotten used to it and are quite > productive with it. I've even used it when out on the road playing > visiting fireman at some other tv station where it took some time to > make sure the fixes I put in place, stayed in place because I taught > them how to do it better. I don't know if t-bird can do #2, but it seems > to me a mime break and a new treatment for the binary data being loaded > could be written, the mimetype already exists and has for 2 decades and > it would never have to be in the same room as html. > > IMO m$ and html have wrecked email by convincing todays generation that > html, with its 5x multiplication of message size, is the only game in > town. It should not be. A mime boundary break is rarely over 250 chars, > adding maybe 500 bytes to ID to the mail agent what the next block of > binary is. But a couple of 250 byte mime boundary's can surround a 4 > megabyte jpeg straight out of my camera, very high def, and an expansion > of the total message size for the boundary strings isn't even pocket > change compared to the cost of html for the same thing. > > I guess that displays my age. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- I've never actually used html email. It seems like such an unnecessary thing. Kate

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2 questions
by Gene Heskett 06 May '19

06 May '19

Greetings all; 1st Q is "deb line to install the whole TDE to stretch"? 2nd is, is there any way to insert an image so that is seen by the receiver with the next line of text after being a continuation of the message, like a caption for that image? The last time I tried inserting an image at the cursor I got about 6 black boxes that had nothing in the echo from a list that does take inline images from winderz machines. Thanks. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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Re: [trinity-users] mouse behavior in new GTK apps under TDE [solved]
by dep 05 May '19

05 May '19

Turns out, the geniuses at Gnome/GTK/GIMP came up with new and flaky sliders (not *quite* as bad as the disappearing scrollbars, but close). These allow the slider to work as expected if you employ the top half of the slider, but not if you use the lower half, where the pointer turns into a double-headed arrow and does God-knows-what. Seems to me that UI design got about right at, say, KDE-3.51, but the children keep screwing around with it instead of adding actual features. And in any case, conventions have been flung down and danced upon, so the idea of window controls behaving identically from application to application are about where they were with DOS 4.1. dep Sent with ProtonMail. Because privacy matters.

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can't run synaptic from tde menu
by Gene Heskett 05 May '19

05 May '19

Greetings; Synaptic seems to want a root pw in its run requestor, but root doesn't have pw, everything is done with sudo or sudo-like such as gksudo. How can I fix the for tde so its happy with the sudo pw?

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New GPG key for repository
by Slávek Banko 04 May '19

04 May '19

Hi all, who of you are using Preliminary Stable Builds or Preliminary Stable Builds repository, you know that the repositories are signed by my personal key. To avoid dependency of the repositories on the personal key, we have prepared a new general GPG key - Trinity Desktop Environment Archive Signing Key (id 0xc93af1698685ad8b). To ensure a smooth transition to the new GPG key, install or update the trinity-keyring package. It is planned that the new GPG key will be used to sign the repository from the end of May. Cheers -- Slávek

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Re: [trinity-users] mouse behavior in new GTK apps under TDE
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 01 May '19

01 May '19

> Greetings . . . > > I've installed the newest GIMP, 2.10.x, and I've observed and endured a phe= > nomenon that I've previously found in other new Gnome apps running under TD= > E: functions such as scrolling and slider bars are *very* slow. The mouse p= > ointer moves as quickly as expected, but the scroll/slide pokes along and s= > ometimes comes to a complete halt. Is there a setting someplace that will l= > et me use Gnome apps under TDE and have the mouse work as well as it does i= > n native Gnome? I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. > > Thanks in advance. > > dep Sorry Dep, I don't see that behavior here. Perhaps it's hardware related? I had to update my T60's spin drive to SSD in order to run PCLOS Big Daddy 64bit. BD64b with a spin drive was very very slow and gtk apps were notably slower than tde apps. Here are some other details. GIMP 2.10.10 Intel 1.8 GHZ 4G RAM WD SSD 1tb. Sorry this wasn't helpful, Kate

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okular is reporting a bug?
by Gene Heskett 01 May '19

01 May '19

Greetings all; okular seems to run ok most of the time, but when run from the cli logs this: gene@coyote:~/linuxcnc/nc_files$ okular okular(1985)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig: okular(1985)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig: okular(1985)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig: okular(1985)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig: okular(1985)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig: okular(1985)/kdeui (kdelibs) KXMLGUIClient::~KXMLGUIClient: 0x8cef5b0 deleted without having been removed from the factory first. This will leak standalone popupmenus and could lead to crashes. This is my fav pdf reader, and I get 3 to 4 weeks uptime before something goes to pot and I need to reboot this old wheezy install. Connected? IDK, maybe... I have a stretch testing image from the LCNC folks that I put on an old Dell out in the garage as the sacrificial goat, and its running quite well so far, so this wheezy may get retired finally. Sometime in the next week or two if the creek doesn't get too high. :) Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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mouse behavior in new GTK apps under TDE
by dep 01 May '19

01 May '19

Greetings . . . I've installed the newest GIMP, 2.10.x, and I've observed and endured a phenomenon that I've previously found in other new Gnome apps running under TDE: functions such as scrolling and slider bars are *very* slow. The mouse pointer moves as quickly as expected, but the scroll/slide pokes along and sometimes comes to a complete halt. Is there a setting someplace that will let me use Gnome apps under TDE and have the mouse work as well as it does in native Gnome? I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Thanks in advance. dep Sent with ProtonMail. Because privacy matters.

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tork-trinity
by andre_debian＠numericable.fr 30 Apr '19

30 Apr '19

Hello, How to launch "tork-trinity" ? (anonymous navigator). Thanks, regards, André

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Debian/Ubuntu: drop TDE support for old distros from R14.0.7 onwards
by Michele Calgaro via trinity-users 29 Apr '19

29 Apr '19

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Dear all debian/ubuntu users, please be aware that starting from R14.0.7 and R14.1.0, support for the following distros will be discontinued. Debian: lenny, squeeze Ubuntu: lucid, maverick, natty, oneiric, quantal, raring, saucy, utopic, vivid, wily, yakkety, zesty. Cheers Slavek, Michele -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEjhl1z5vbYB3YbFTiKnW3yore1c8FAlzEH90ACgkQKnW3yore 1c/ttA/+Mtv1SEm2PtwbsbTmzgjPLFRRBk2keDVkON2Nc7UGhigZtoEYqeRigpvZ jUeLDVR+F7Fwcor7XpAZnU/mOQGuoHNgz8qd9SvqfOUjHQsQndC284rN82m1oquo qt3wNXOSqZp0gLc3jxaUu0YBy4HhZQ/bLSaRIjKMP/lbMZHev4uJOSeQe8eU3Bon p5qnA2MMwngBv66qHVewprMd+m99fVAsKUxolelMBd3yTEBGsCcuoxkj3YFEtNHR PAvm27sQd2K2qr1xaCLuxdQPUZaYGZ3fyZ24IOx9HzsbM6V0b0fFaQZdWD+K6voP EKw6u0aLlljvZw6+8FZcv5+wEBK6E4g9XX/WUYhDq5+JczxFlmCv6xxzJH4Tgpm8 x8JjN7CbY19GENCpd40mVZY9tejhDcjsT+yKaz3iWIw8w2mTSpcLQ42d3tSCRls5 lU8MqQx0pon2YUh0vpZRQl5G/ZUgZYv4EI7sDDmdsWCWwPnCrzNXgKhDM2rxbvVY rljXAEgil9I8kFdi1pMP6sSUQDV2RhKe/2zvh2bQfB8xQ8a+V1KAtN3U1c6q4Yl+ t9BRaaB2fw/oAK7CnNfOa7mPd6PO8L29RwgQjtUxpccNHPnJpUvK8BtrbgqGDS+D YHBV6qOsgM4V0Bhz2cm4rrLeMaqquusVy+JlFv+oAi5AMnMkwCg= =kPBY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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