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Re2: Cheer! I didn't believe until I tried this fat burn!
by mrmazda＠earthlink.net 09 Feb '19

09 Feb '19

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Re(1): ..
by mrmazda＠earthlink.net 09 Feb '19

09 Feb '19

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About lightdm, PATH and /opt/trinity/bin
by Nicolas Bercher via trinity-users 08 Feb '19

08 Feb '19

Hi, Does anyone have clear explanations on how to make lightdm aware of Trinity's binary path /opt/trinity/bin? Thanks a lot, Nicolas

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Weird kaddressbook distribution list problem
by Russell Brown 06 Feb '19

06 Feb '19

Anyone else seeing issues with kaddressbook and distribution lists? Three of our users, to my knowledge; others might not have noticed yet, have had distribution lists corrupted in their std.vcf files for no apparent reason. For example here's a diff showing the breakage: *** backup.8/home/steven/.trinity/share/apps/tdeabc/std.vcf Wed Jan 23 16:26:48 2019 --- backup.9/home/steven/.trinity/share/apps/tdeabc/std.vcf Tue Jan 22 16:27:12 2019 *************** *** 121,131 **** REV:2010-10-13T10:07:43Z UID:2v3n80lysi VERSION:3.0 ! X-KADDRESSBOOK-DistributionList:;KF0nfbXjcI;W65A8xToAL;TkroRixGpz;sfPshZ13G ! R;LOuCWSQ97o;nv7cFe6Qn3;EwrV6PmgS7;zQitSMdyc5;uhE8AALaot;lda8YjPh7O;iFvalmA ! jur;7blsWNQhCI;jQSplbzEBx;Xr9sO4FR6K;FetVPQzl88;tvfhPIFsnm;y5ouAVz2Xg;dGYAO ! IYZYH;6YVRsssvB3;ECp97esiDY;G8Dg2NNwtf;NEErjVskoA;UFXZpbD4y6;h2LTb23i8o;6Ej ! 2CTR7fR END:VCARD BEGIN:VCARD --- 121,131 ---- REV:2010-10-13T10:07:43Z UID:2v3n80lysi VERSION:3.0 ! X-KADDRESSBOOK-DistributionList:;KF0nfbXjcI\,;W65A8xToAL\,;TkroRixGpz\,;sfP ! shZ13GR\,;LOuCWSQ97o\,;nv7cFe6Qn3\,;EwrV6PmgS7\,;zQitSMdyc5\,;uhE8AALaot\,; ! lda8YjPh7O\,;iFvalmAjur\,;7blsWNQhCI\,;jQSplbzEBx\,;Xr9sO4FR6K\,;FetVPQzl88 ! \,;tvfhPIFsnm\,;y5ouAVz2Xg\,;dGYAOIYZYH\,;6YVRsssvB3\,;ECp97esiDY\,;G8Dg2NN ! wtf\,;NEErjVskoA\,;UFXZpbD4y6\,;h2LTb23i8o\,;6Ej2CTR7fR\, END:VCARD BEGIN:VCARD *************** The '\,' between each entry in the list went AWOL sometime between these two backup copies which makes kaddressbook come up with the UID as the target email address, causing a massive fail. For fun and amusement, I hand edited the \, between the entries back into the list and it all works again. Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.6 [DEVELOPMENT] KAddressBook: 3.5.13 Debian stretch. -- Regards, Russell -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Russell Brown | MAIL: russell(a)lls.com PHONE: 01780 471800 | | Lady Lodge Systems | WWW Work: http://www.lls.com | | Peterborough, England | WWW Play: http://www.ruffle.me.uk | --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Zim stuff (WYSIWYG HTML editor that outputs clean HTML code?)
by Michael 06 Feb '19

06 Feb '19

Alas I only get to play on the weekends, and this full write up isn’t going to be done for at least a month, so figured I’d post the pre-bits to all y’all, as most of you are programmer enough to read dev notes and understand them well enough... As Kate said, “Zim, I like it so far.” It does output almost clean HTML code, but it’s definitely not a complete solution for writing a local web page and being able to ‘rip the body guts out’ and paste it into a CMS Body box for publishing. That said, it’s the best I’ve ever seen, so I’m using it. ## Random Notes Zim is really cool. The set of Plugins available is extensive. Do go though the whole list with the help file open in a separate window. Make sure to configure the ones that can be config’ed! Templates: HTML export templates exist that can be customized Crashes a lot, auto saves every 10 seconds by default. Copy/Paste of links doesn’t always work. Link creator is lacking and does stuff you didn’t ask it to. Spellchecker right click menu is in Spanish(?). Spell checker isn’t great, but works well enough. Has an insanely cool Table of Contents plugin, but it does not HTML export the ToC! Q@$%#$%!!! # # # Work flow I’ve found that seems to work. - Write your HTML page in Zim - Export HTML to see final product in browser(s) [1] - Once finished with HTML use Notetab Pro, or your equivalent post processor, to run though your ToC generation*, cleanup, and fix-it scripts. - Use Quanta Plus, Kate, whatever, to get CSS to your liking. * If anyone asks I’ll post what I end up with that creates a ToC from H attributes. Best, Michael [1] Script to help with Exporting to HTML. michael@local [~/bin]# cat zimexport.sh #!/bin/bash # # Zim export to HTML the default 'Notes' Notebook. # Change paths as needed to customize. # # Add to Zim Custom tools for one click icon in the Zim toolbar: # Zim -> Tools -> Custom tools # Click 'green plus' icon # Name: Export Notes # Description: Export to HTML the default Notes # Command: ~/bin/zimexport.sh # Icon: # /usr/share/icons/Humanity/actions/48/document-export.svg # /usr/share/icons/oxygen/48x48/actions/document-export.png # Show in toolbar: Checked. # # Notes: # 'Command:' needs the full path. # HTML templates are in /usr/share/zim/templates/html/ # Icons are in: /usr/share/icons # # One off script, possibly has bugs, use at your own risk. # # You will need {nothing}: # yum install {nothing} # apt-get install {nothing} # (whatever you use to install it) # # Script=zimexport.sh # Author=Michael # Email=staff_scripts at the commercial domain inet-design # Website=http://www.inet-design.com/ # License=GPL # Script repository=http://inet-design.com/tags/scripts # # # # zimNotebook="~/Notebooks/Notes" HTMLOutput="~/Notebooks/html" if [ ! -d "$HTMLOutput" ] ; then mkdir -p "$HTMLOutput" fi zim --export --overwrite --output="$HTMLOutput" --format=html --template="Default.html" "$zimNotebook"

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Kdesktop 100% CPU issue
by Russell Brown 06 Feb '19

06 Feb '19

Sorry; here's another R14.0.6 issue we're seeing (Yes, I can/will report this as a bug but thought I'd throw it out here first just to see if anyone's got any ideas). Logging in (via XDMCP) multiple times as the same user/uid is causing kdesktop to do weird refresh stuff then get stuck in a loop (100% CPU usage). I have seen this once-in-a-blue-moon under 14.0.5/Debian Jessie but 14.0.6/Debian Stretch seems to make it fail every time. Yes, I know it's bad practise to login multiple times as the same user but people will do these things despite being told not to :-( So, before I get into the nitty gritty about creating a failing case, is there anything obvious I should set/unset to stop this? Is it a known problem? How to recreate. Hard: have a bunch of X-Terminals. Easy: Use vnc :-) (see below for setup). User logs in (XDMCP/tdm) on first xterm/vnc session. Same user logs in again from second xterm/vnc session. The cursor on each desktop flickers with a busy? sort of pointer and the desktop refreshes sparodically. NB. Logging out of one session seems to set a desktop lock on the second. kdesktop for each session will probably have a high CPU use. Same user logs in a third time and you end up with a kdesktop running 100% CPU and the desktop(s) get unresponsive (can happen with just two sessions but three makes it fail quickly). PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 10285 utest 20 0 258196 23212 19128 S 100.0 0.0 45:48.54 kdesktop 21584 lls 20 0 44608 4636 2804 R 26.3 0.0 0:00.07 top 1 lls 20 0 205688 7984 5312 S 0.0 0.0 3:50.32 systemd Looking at the 100% kdesktop process, it has a thread (10287) running in a constant poll timeout loop (strace streams the lines below): poll([{fd=13, events=POLLIN}, {fd=15, events=POLLIN}], 2, 0) = 0 (Timeout) poll([{fd=13, events=POLLIN}, {fd=15, events=POLLIN}], 2, 0) = 0 (Timeout) poll([{fd=13, events=POLLIN}, {fd=15, events=POLLIN}], 2, 0) = 0 (Timeout) poll([{fd=13, events=POLLIN}, {fd=15, events=POLLIN}], 2, 0) = 0 (Timeout) Looking at /proc/10287/fd I see: lr-x------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 0 -> pipe:[11722107] l-wx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 1 -> /home/utest/.xsession-errors lr-x------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 10 -> pipe:[11687858] l-wx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 11 -> pipe:[11687858] lrwx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 12 -> socket:[11667305] lr-x------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 13 -> pipe:[11688700] l-wx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 14 -> pipe:[11688700] lrwx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 15 -> anon_inode:[eventfd] lr-x------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 16 -> /var/tmp/tdecache-utest/tdesycoca l-wx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 2 -> /home/utest/.xsession-errors lrwx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 3 -> socket:[11746354] lrwx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 4 -> socket:[11687855] lrwx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 5 -> socket:[11687856] lr-x------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 6 -> pipe:[11687857] l-wx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 7 -> pipe:[11687857] lrwx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 8 -> anon_inode:[eventfd] lrwx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:17 9 -> anon_inode:[eventfd] The pipe on fd 13 for the thread seems to be connected to it's parent: # (find /proc -type l | xargs ls -l | grep 11688700) 2>/dev/null lr-x------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:57 /proc/10285/fd/12 -> pipe:[11688700] l-wx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:57 /proc/10285/fd/13 -> pipe:[11688700] lr-x------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:58 /proc/10285/task/10285/fd/12 -> pipe:[11688700] l-wx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:58 /proc/10285/task/10285/fd/13 -> pipe:[11688700] lr-x------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:58 /proc/10285/task/10287/fd/12 -> pipe:[11688700] l-wx------ 1 utest tract 64 Feb 6 11:58 /proc/10285/task/10287/fd/13 -> pipe:[11688700] # ------- VNC setup. I'm using Debian Stretch. The easiest way to setup a VNC test case is to add this to /etc/services on the TDE server system (192.168.1.1 in my case). # VNC Servers vnc0 5900/tcp vnc1 5901/tcp vnc2 5902/tcp # Then create /etc/xinetd.d/vnc0 like so: service vnc0 { user = nobody disable = no protocol = tcp socket_type = stream flags = KEEPALIVE wait = no group = tract instances = 1 log_type = FILE /var/log/vnc log_on_failure += HOST USERID ATTEMPT server = /usr/bin/Xvnc server_args = -inetd -NeverShared -query localhost -once -depth 16 -geometry 1024x768 -SecurityTypes none } Copy /etc/xinetd.d/vnc0 to /etc/xinetd.d/vnc1 and change "service vnc0" to "service vnc1". Repeat for vnc2. Restart xinetd. From another system on the network fire up a vnc viewer for the first session: vncviewer 192.168.1.1:5900 Login as test user. and for the second: vncviewer 192.168.1.1:5901 Login as same user in on that one. You'll now see the desktops in each vncviewer window refreshing themselves and a kdesktop process for each one using significant CPU: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 26694 utest 20 0 275004 33772 27016 R 49.7 0.0 1:35.19 kdesktop 27099 utest 20 0 275004 33544 26784 S 47.0 0.0 1:38.19 kdesktop Fire up a third: vncviewer 192.168.1.1:5902 Login as same user on that. You'll now get a kdesktop consuming 100% CPU: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 10805 utest 20 0 278088 37156 27332 S 100.3 0.0 4:15.84 kdesktop 26694 utest 20 0 275004 33772 27016 S 43.3 0.0 3:37.91 kdesktop 27099 utest 20 0 275004 33544 26784 S 42.0 0.0 3:36.62 kdesktop On this third session, kdesktop becomes unresponsive (not surprising as it's stuck in a loop!). NB. I've also tried this using lightdm instead of tdm and exactly the same thing happens. -- Regards, Russell -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Russell Brown | MAIL: russell(a)lls.com PHONE: 01780 471800 | | Lady Lodge Systems | WWW Work: http://www.lls.com | | Peterborough, England | WWW Play: http://www.ruffle.me.uk | --------------------------------------------------------------------

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TDE menu to turn off computer
by andre_debian＠numericable.fr 06 Feb '19

06 Feb '19

Hello, Since I upgraded Trinity, all the TDE menus are in french, excepted the TDE menu to turn off my computer, end current session, reboot, hibernate..., who is in english. I installed again the package "tde-i18n-fr-trinity", but no change. Is it a bug... ? Thanks, André

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Re: [trinity-users] Switch to trinity
by Thierry de Coulon 05 Feb '19

05 Feb '19

On Sunday 03 February 2019 19.21:34 phiebie(a)drei.at wrote: > Debian Buster, KDE 3.5.10. aptitude > As more and more software-updates clash with their dependencies against > what KDE needs or provides, I wanted to install trinity, preliminary > stable, alongside KDE. KDE should stay operational till I had > transferred my settings and programs aso to trinity. > No go! > Tdebase was fetched and seemingly installed, but when I restarted the > computer and wanted to start KDE, there was only a black screen with > the mouse-cursor and whatever I did with keyboard or mouse, nothing > happened. Cold reboot to clear memory, same thing. > Okay, let's then have a look at trinity. A blue screen with the logo > appeared and after a few seconds something like "no ..... available > check your installation"and I only could close that window via a warm > reboot. KDE gave me the black screen again and also TDE said > "check installation". > Installed TDE again, same results as before. Half an afternoon had > passed with no desktop still available. > Glad, that I had backupped my system before the experiment and could > restore my working KDE. > So there's also a clash between TDE and KDE, incredible! > Where should I look for the culprit for this disaster? > Kind regards. OK, so... a) You say Buster. Where did you install TDE from? What version? As far as I know, for Buster you need the premilinary builds. b) You say KDE 3.5.10. I seem to remember that install instructions said to purge any KDE 3.5 elements befor install. So yes, KDE 3.5 and TDE clash. It's known. I guess that's because thes share files with the same name, but different contents. If you want Trinity, you should better install on a system with no KDE, and running a testing TDE on a testing Debian, I'm not really surprised you encounter some problems. These are caused by your environment, not by Trinity itself. Thierry

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[trinity-users] want TDM screenshot
by Felix Miata 05 Feb '19

05 Feb '19

https://www.maketecheasier.com/take-screenshot-of-login-screen-linux/ is the closest I have found to instructions to use ImageMagick to get one, but tdm seems to be different from lightdm and gdm such that I can't figure out what to change. I tried logging in and grepping XAUTHORITY from set, but it apparently cannot be found there. I want a fullscreen screenshot that has the integrated default theme's menu expanded to show the selection of session types. Can anyone here help? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

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Devuan Full Disk Encryption (FDE) shutdown issue
by Michael 04 Feb '19

04 Feb '19

Moving this to a separate thread as it’s nor really related to switching to TDE. On Sunday 03 February 2019 08:34:24 pm William Morder wrote: > When you say "root shutdown unclean": How do you shutdown, and what are you > seeing? On Monday 04 February 2019 07:53:46 am Stefan Krusche wrote: > Can you point to a reference for this bug? While I did mention the issue on the Devuan user mailing list, I do not know if there is a bug report for it. It may be the issue Stefan references, but, if so MX Linux has patched/solved the issue on their own as I do not see it with MX Linux. To maintain due diligence for client NDAs I must use encryption, or some other method, to safeguard their data. As such, I no longer have Devuan installed. Bill (I think it was Bill, sorry if I’m mis-quoting) is entirely right though, I have never seen any of the lags or hangs with Devuan or MX Linux that the systemd versions of Debian are fairly well know for. # # # Here are my remembrances from a month or so ago. Obviously these are not the exact message phrases. Observations: - Install Devuan selecting automatically use full disk and encrypt [everything]. [1] - In the Software Selection only select: - - Console productivity - - Standard system utilities - - (e.g. Un-check everything else) - Install TDE - Boot normally [1] >> > I have a setup with the root partition in a logical Volume of LVM on top of > LUKS (whole disk but /boot) Yes, that’s what I had as well. /home was included in the root partition. Swap was a separate encrypted partition in the LVM. << [1] Best guess: Since so little is installed, you don’t have the usual startup/shutdown splash screens that usually ‘hide’ any of the startup/shutdown scrolling messages. Try hitting ‘Escape’ if you have splash screens hiding the messages? - Turn off the computer by using - - TDE menu >> Log out >> Turn off During shutdown you will see messages somewhat similar to what Stefan shows, but they are closer to this and explicitly say “[FAIL]” in red: “Unmounting {root partition name} [FAIL] ... [FAIL][FAIL][FAIL][FAIL][FAIL]” It hangs for several seconds (15?) on the first [FAIL] and then re-tries enough times to wrap the line. - I shutdown approximately 13 times after noticing the first [FAIL] message where I explicitly watched the shutdown messages. - Of the boot up sequences I explicitly watched (10+) there were 3 instances of fsck(?*) finding and fixing errors on the root partition. * The messages go fast, I’m fairly sure is was fsck, but it could have been anything really, my knowledge of the actual boot process is pretty weak. # # # That’s as best as my memory gives me. If you install Devuan with Full Disk Encryption (FDE), it’s really easy to spot, just watch a shutdown. Okay, I’ve got to get back to work :( If there’s more Q’s, ask, but it’ll be a few days or next weekend before I get to them. Best, Michael

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