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by William Morder

Since we are getting into other stuff, I am starting a new thread. Maybe it should be two threads? > On 04/21/2018 04:13 PM, William Morder wrote: > > I stand at the brink of Devuan, not quite ready to take the plunge myself, > > yet > > share in your dislike of systemd and how Debian is inching into a rule of > the > > few over the many. And I fear that it will soon drift into the same kind > > > of > > crap that ruined Kubuntu (and the whole Ubuntu family) for me. There are > > > just > > one or two refinements I want to make in my current system (so that I can > > find my way back when I get into a mess). > I'm sorry to hear you have systemd installed and you're not happy with > it, if I knew what version you are using I could make a suggestion, I > run all LTS versions or Debian and Ubuntu and now Devuan too. For hard > drive management I use Wheezy and Jessie, for multimedia I use the > latest. For the most part my system runs pretty well, except for hanging when I try to reboot (as explained below). What I would really like is to get VLC working right again. It was always the best all-round multimedia player, and now it crashes every time I open it. I searched round for solutions, and all I've found so far are suggestions to go back to the Wheezy repositories for older versions of VLC. Yet another user here in the Trinity group had the same problems with VLC, and he was already using Wheezy. I don't know what the problem is, but there is another great piece of software ruined. > Currently I'm looking at keeping some older systems around by > rolling my own kernels. There's always options. And slicing off > another partition for a new install is another option. I run Debian Jessie, and systemd seems to cause the system to hang in particular when I reboot. I always see that systemd is doing something, and cannot shut down. I created a kind of script to kill running programs, and this has pretty much solved the problem, but I still feel that my current Debian system does not run quite as smoothly as my older systems used to run. All in good time, though. I rarely have incidents any more which cause me to scream, pull out my hair, and call down curses upon the heads of the devs. > As for Ubuntu, they have messed up big-time and now they are on my list > of things I don't want to do anymore and now Microsoft won't be lonely > any more. :) It's never lonely at the bottom. > > The icon is nice, but I would recommend that all Devuan branding > > distinguish > > itself from Debian by making the spiral go round widdershins: that is, > > counter-clockwise. Then it would be perfect. > I hear you, it was just something I slapped together. No problem, it was just a suggestion. If Debian do not complain, then there is no obligation to change it. But since Devuan is a fork of Debian, and thus technically "different" from it, I thought it might be wise to think ahead. One could also say, for example, that TDE *is* really just KDE, but I believe some people out there will object. Likewise, you could say that Icecat *is* really just Iceweasel, which is really just Firefox. You could even say that *rock-n-roll* is really just *the blues* + *country music*. I do recognize that all categories are, to some degree, arbitrary and influenced by personal biases, etc. They can also be useful, however, to indicate that (for example) Devuan has struck out in a slightly different direction, which in my opinion is truer to Debian's mission than Debian itself currently operates. > You do know that Devuan IS Debian don't you? The only changes made > effect systemd and the packages needed so you can install the desktop of > choice, like udev and libpam, really just a hand full of packages are > changed. I'm running Devuan from Debian's Sid to Jessie, in other words > Devuan Jessie, ASCII, Beowulf and Ceres and Trinity is a clean install > on them all with no real problem, All around Devuan Jessie is the best! Yes, but the only practical way for me to get Devuan is to install Debian first, then migrate to Devuan. I have tried to install from the Devuan live DVD, and it wants to overwrite my home folder, with no other option. I have a backup, of course, but this does not seem quite right. I have found instructions for migrating from Debian to Devuan, without the necessity of reinstalling my system, so that is my plan. However, I have yet a couple loose ends to tie up, so that I can revert to my working system if necessary, when I will inevitably mess up something due to experimentation. Also, I have other responsibilities, various little jobs, and other things that I must do, as there is a life outside computers, and a whole world waiting to be explored just outside my door; or so I hear. > Bill just take away one thing from this post: If it's not fun don't do it. I wish somebody had told me this back when I was in grad school. > Cheers! > -- > Jimmy Johnson > Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 > Registered Linux User #380263

6 years, 7 months

a bit of a stunt

by dep

in part to see if it could be done and in part because i hoped the result would be useful, today i installed microsoft word 5.5 (which is a free download from microsoft) on the little gemini device and got it running in dosbox over lxqt over debian stretch on an arm64 device. (keyboard mapping is the current sticking point, and unless i can get it full screen i'm not sure it is worth the effort. and yes, i noticed the misspelling in the screenshot). https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=35015&pid=286127&st=0&#entry… -- dep Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. Because privacy matters.

6 years, 7 months

Re: [trinity-users] lol, bug n°1 is still open

by wofgdkncxojef＠gmail.com

On Tuesday 22 May 2018 22:33:35 Michele Calgaro wrote: > On 2018/05/22 09:08 PM, wofgdkncxojef(a)gmail.com wrote: > > that's hilarious. Bug n° 1 is still open XD > > > > When it will be closed, it should be announced officially. > > In the past I spent quite some time on this bug but I can't reproduce. > Everytime I tried, it seems to work fine. Not sure the problem is printer > model-specific or not to be honest... > Cheers > Michele I'm not criticizing. It's just .... peculiar to have bug n°1 still around....

6 years, 7 months

IBus input with TDE applications

by Jan Stolarek

Dear TDE users, is there a way to use IBus as the input method for TDE applications? I have installed and configured IBus on my system. It works fine with GTK and QT4 applications but I can't get it to work with TDE applications (which, I believe are QT3 applications). So for example, I can input japanese hiragana or korean hangul in Firefox or Libre Office, but I can't do the same in KMail. All help appreciated. Janek --- Politechnika Łódzka Lodz University of Technology Treść tej wiadomości zawiera informacje przeznaczone tylko dla adresata. Jeżeli nie jesteście Państwo jej adresatem, bądź otrzymaliście ją przez pomyłkę prosimy o powiadomienie o tym nadawcy oraz trwałe jej usunięcie. This email contains information intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or if you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system.

6 years, 7 months

lol, bug n°1 is still open

by wofgdkncxojef＠gmail.com

that's hilarious. Bug n° 1 is still open XD When it will be closed, it should be announced officially.

6 years, 7 months

[ Re-send ] Explaining the process of adding bugs to next TDE release

by Michele Calgaro

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Dear all, re-sending without autocrypt option. There has been some reports of problems with SPAM filters discarding the previous email. If you already received the first message yesterday, please ignore this one and accept our apologies for the double sending. If you didn't get the original email, please read below. Cheers Michele, Slavek - -------------------- Dear all, we would like to explain the process of how bug reports get added to the next release bug list. As many of you probably know, there are some bug reports (that we call meta bugs) that serve as an index for bugs to fix or already fixed for the next maintenance and minor release. For example bug 2247 for R14.1.0, bug 2696 for R14.0.5 and bug 2885 for R14.0.6. These meta bugs are intended to list bugs that have been selected by the developers for the mentioned coming release, so we would like to invite all of you to refrain from directly adding bugs to those lists on your own. Instead you should first discuss with one of the developers (say Tim, Slavek or Michele) and if agreed, you can then add the bug to the discussed list. The reason for this logic (and limitation) is that if anyone just add bugs indiscriminately based on their own needs, those lists would grow out of control and out of what is physically possible to achieve with the development workforce that TDE has at the moment. We encourage all of you to participate in making TDE better, but please take note of the above procedure and try sticking to it as much as possible. On a side note, R14.0.5 bug list has been frozen and no other bugs will go into it unless critical of blockers. Of course, if a working patch is provided before the release of R14.0.5, we will consider that for inclusion. Feel free to provide your feedback on the process explain above Cheers Michele, Slavek -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEjhl1z5vbYB3YbFTiKnW3yore1c8FAlsD2uwACgkQKnW3yore 1c9tjw/9GTvzkZULvstj5VBBWjdJgfbkFQ+hDq8c7cRleKDqDwwK89uSdWshe6G7 VU5fwH82CScdF4itYr8GxZvwmZPcLtPvy83WLsEPL4pvC8oNoUZtHkqNniL8CP14 wfiUZcFuQvMa251i2KP0a1QBREd8xJhbj09obfz8YFa9sRQq0cauMgMDqxVOR+6U 0MU8CgTNplh49XWAjX9e5upwsgvqEb58e53h0XsYOn9aM+tvUOnCaKA83eIlICUe R6qt5807sKPbd2fXlpSNmtprPllwo/OKse/KUrCq0a3hifG64xapwub/S+ylGFpf Q2RfHxvKVUnSOyElNe7wYYjVhBv5qCcGO4mE7uR8TwsN3ta2vL226aw5rNv8Oarb nNKrjBO5Ey3F4wxhFI5ZNOmQqU6eqSvqwiT2lN2nVZ0CCuXGDScXcHo8gLM3j6la 9hSE/R8KouLtef2NyrFB1ObWtn2p4geAbQKVTyr9sQyS2K07Fyub2qeamdJeOyEV 1HtCzK+ot3QwD+jrTfQEigJGUitW4DPfy6iVLHBJz+B5kkOspYJq8Ks9EQh/Zya0 BNRKpqettm6RlOchuNHa7NWuPOyQUyyPnBI371+EsBAohZdgm0Nuis9RYVnoXII0 YO9F31g8dfY9rCTJ9CkFV4GpA6879uswTcxEf/AEod/m4ZdhnR8= =lSLn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

6 years, 7 months

a miracle has happened!

by dep

the final part of my upgrade saga was installation of new nvidia drivers, which has in the past taken at least two days and required anguish, blood sacrifices to unknown demons, and angry outburts at anyone who encounters me. but i just now installed the nvisia drivers for ubuntu-16.04 and they . . . just worked! (the act of writing my particular configuration, primaty monitor below secondary monitor, won't write to the x.org configuration file, so i have to redo it on every reboot, but that's as it has always been.) now if i could cook up the mouse cursor i've wanted ever since i switched from OS/2 to linux. there was an OS/2 utility that allowed one to write one's own mouse (and other) cursors, and i got it and used it and loved it because it was possible to make a pointer arrow that was the reverse of whatever it was over -- black on white, white on black, blue on red, etc., to the point of even being half one color and half the other when it rested on an edge. this made it manifestly visible, always. linux has nothing to match it and i intend to undertake a course of study that will result in its being replicated for linux. i'll send postcards. -- dep Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. Because privacy matters.

6 years, 7 months

Explaining the process of adding bugs to next TDE release

by Michele Calgaro

Dear all, we would like to explain the process of how bug reports get added to the next release bug list. As many of you probably know, there are some bug reports (that we call meta bugs) that serve as an index for bugs to fix or already fixed for the next maintenance and minor release. For example bug 2247 for R14.1.0, bug 2696 for R14.0.5 and bug 2885 for R14.0.6. These meta bugs are intended to list bugs that have been selected by the developers for the mentioned coming release, so we would like to invite all of you to refrain from directly adding bugs to those lists on your own. Instead you should first discuss with one of the developers (say Tim, Slavek or Michele) and if agreed, you can then add the bug to the discussed list. The reason for this logic (and limitation) is that if anyone just add bugs indiscriminately based on their own needs, those lists would grow out of control and out of what is physically possible to achieve with the development workforce that TDE has at the moment. We encourage all of you to participate in making TDE better, but please take note of the above procedure and try sticking to it as much as possible. On a side note, R14.0.5 bug list has been frozen and no other bugs will go into it unless critical of blockers. Of course, if a working patch is provided before the release of R14.0.5, we will consider that for inclusion. Feel free to provide your feedback on the process explain above Cheers Michele, Slavek

6 years, 7 months

but now no scrollbars in gnome apps

by dep

i used only a few gnome apps, the most indespensible of which id gthumb. i just opened it for the first time since the upgrade and found navigation impossible: there are no scrollbars! might anyone here know the package that contains the scrollbars? -- dep Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. Because privacy matters.

6 years, 8 months

ha!

by dep

still haven't fixed artsd -- what package is it in, that i might try to reinstall or something? -- but i am writing this on trinity's kmail, through the protonmail bridge, which encrypts it and sends it down the pipe to their server, which sends it out in whatever form the list receives it. which i suspect is a first. a minor first to be sure, but a first. -- dep Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. Because privacy matters.

6 years, 8 months

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