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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On Sunday 17 June 2018 14:44:50 Kate Draven wrote: > > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 06:05:04 Thierry de Coulon wrote: > > > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 14.18:43 William Morder wrote: > > > > > Every time I use the new KDE Plasma, I get so frustrated that I want > > > > > to break something. The same goes for whenever I have to use other > > > > > people's computers, especially if they run Windoze or the rotten > > > > > Apple; and it's even worse when I have to use a public computer. > > > > > > > > > > The only thing that worries me is that I am becoming my own island, > > > > which > > > > > > > is maybe not so good. I am thinking maybe of running a virtual box > > > > inside > > > > > > > my Linux machine, in which I can run Windoze or the rotten Apple or > > > > > some other Linux OS, just to keep up a little with changes that are > > > > > going on "out there". > > > > > > > > I could have written this, or most of it. I don't know if it helps > > > > knowing you're not alone... > > > > > > > > Thierry > > > > > > The Trinity users list is becoming my entire social life. I also wonder > > > if maybe this is not healthy. On the other hand, fewer and fewer people > > > "out there" seem to be really sane; and when I must use their computers, > > > this worries me even more. > > > > > > When I was mostly offline for a few days, trying to migrate from Debian > > > to Devuan, I got 44 emails, of which 43 were from the TDE mailing list. > > > > > > Tomorrow, at any rate, I shall try to make it downstairs, past the front > > > > desk, > > > > > beyond the ice machine, and to go outdoors, maybe even as far as the > > > library and the farmers market. Also, I need coffee. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Bloody hell mate. You're out of coffee? > > > > Kate > > > > I had just enough to get my 2-cup dose on Sunday morning, then it was out to > find some more. I can always walk to a cafe or bakery on my street, or go to > the corner shop to buy some; but then it's expensive. If I want to get it at > a decent price, it means an expedition. But now my stock is replenished, and > ought to last me until the first week of next month. > > Bill > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Disaster averted. Well done lad. Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On Sun, 17 Jun 2018, Kate Draven wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > I know EXACTLY how you feel. I have to work with crackmonkey clients. Both > > itblows and snapple. They keep saying how there's SO much more software for > > them and yet none of it is useful. Just games. Useless file managers (all > > hail Konqueror, which is aptly named) and the CLI (via konsole). > > I have been using a Windows 10 Pro laptop to avoid potential hassles > with the college system and have gotten some modest acquaintance with > it; it's also fun to tool around with a different OS. > > the impression I get is one is better able to use features of > some brand-name printers. this may be useful depending on one's needs. > I haven't taken much advantage of it. > > I find the privacy settings pretty obscure and I am bedevilled by the > automatic upgrades; I find the lack of control abominable -- 'my' PC > my butt! I have been able to block 'features updates' with some > regedit magic. > > > I do like to run different distros but I only use one for work. Currently Ark > > Linux 2008 and Ali's BigDaddy. I'm hoping to retire Ark for BigDaddy or > > Slackware if and when TDE makes it there. I hope to gain enough skill to do > > it meself. > > never heard of 'BigDaddy' -- fitting for the day! unlike you, I guess > I'm kind of monogamous when it comes to Linux. don't do much with the > 'desktop' anyway except launch applications. > > f. > > -- > Felmon Davis > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- When you said "My" PC, I immediately thought of this old gem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPejYdBM11I Enjoy. As for win10, I expect you have more skills than the average user. So it's to be expected that you would fair better than the average bear. Just think about the poor common user. The abuse they are put through but, like an abuse victim, they fear leaving what they are familiar with. (Kate hops up on her soapbox and shakes a fist) But we must bring them into the light of FOSS freedom, even if it's kicking and screaming. GN to all, (Kate hops off on her soapbox and disappears into the mysterious mist) Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> > I'm hoping to retire Ark for BigDaddy or > > Slackware if and when TDE makes it there. I hope to > > gain enough skill to do it meself. > > > I doubt that TDE will ever make an official entry in Slackware > nonetheless some people have made build scripts or even packages. > Here are some: > > - http://www.giustetti.net/wiki/index.php?title=TDE_introduction > - https://sourceforge.net/projects/tde-slackware > - https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds > - http://www.inpito.org/trinity.php > > I do have my own scripts but everything is installed > in /usr/{bin,lib64} and I don't know if they conflict with KDE (which > is not installed...) > > cheers. > @+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Gregory I'll look into this ASAP. I appreciate the info. As for KDE, It's not likely I'll have it installed to any significant degree since it's mostly useless (no offense to anyone) in a work environment. And I wouldn't count slackware out when it comes to adopting TDE. They pay attention to what works. TDE works. Again, thanks for the info and happy father's day (if applicable). Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On Sunday 17 June 2018 06:05:04 Thierry de Coulon wrote: > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 14.18:43 William Morder wrote: > > > Every time I use the new KDE Plasma, I get so frustrated that I want to > > > break something. The same goes for whenever I have to use other people's > > > computers, especially if they run Windoze or the rotten Apple; and it's > > > even worse when I have to use a public computer. > > > > > > The only thing that worries me is that I am becoming my own island, which > > > is maybe not so good. I am thinking maybe of running a virtual box inside > > > my Linux machine, in which I can run Windoze or the rotten Apple or some > > > other Linux OS, just to keep up a little with changes that are going on > > > "out there". > > > > I could have written this, or most of it. I don't know if it helps knowing > > you're not alone... > > > > Thierry > > > The Trinity users list is becoming my entire social life. I also wonder if > maybe this is not healthy. On the other hand, fewer and fewer people "out > there" seem to be really sane; and when I must use their computers, this > worries me even more. > > When I was mostly offline for a few days, trying to migrate from Debian to > Devuan, I got 44 emails, of which 43 were from the TDE mailing list. > > Tomorrow, at any rate, I shall try to make it downstairs, past the front desk, > beyond the ice machine, and to go outdoors, maybe even as far as the library > and the farmers market. Also, I need coffee. > > Bill > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Bloody hell mate. You're out of coffee? Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On Sunday 17 June 2018 07:17:54 Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 09:46:34 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > Am Sonntag, 17. Juni 2018 schrieb William Morder: > > > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 06:05:04 Thierry de Coulon wrote: > > > > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 14.18:43 William Morder wrote: > > > > > > Every time I use the new KDE Plasma, I get so frustrated that I > > > > > > want to break something. The same goes for whenever I have to > > > > > > use other people's computers, especially if they run Windoze or > > > > > > the rotten Apple; and it's even worse when I have to use a > > > > > > public computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only thing that worries me is that I am becoming my own > > > > > > island, which is maybe not so good. I am thinking maybe of > > > > > > running a virtual box inside my Linux machine, in which I can > > > > > > run Windoze or the rotten Apple or some other Linux OS, just to > > > > > > keep up a little with changes that are going on "out there". > > > > > > > > > > I could have written this, or most of it. I don't know if it helps > > > > > knowing you're not alone... > > > > > > > > > > Thierry > > > > > > > > The Trinity users list is becoming my entire social life. I also > > > > wonder if maybe this is not healthy. On the other hand, fewer and > > > > fewer people "out there" seem to be really sane; and when I must use > > > > their computers, this worries me even more. > > > > > > > > When I was mostly offline for a few days, trying to migrate from > > > > Debian to Devuan, I got 44 emails, of which 43 were from the TDE > > > > mailing list. > > > > > > > > Tomorrow, at any rate, I shall try to make it downstairs, past the > > > > front desk, beyond the ice machine, and to go outdoors, maybe even > > > > as far as the library and the farmers market. Also, I need coffee. > > > > > > Probably the caffein withdrawal is what makes real trouble :-) (just > > > conted: 4 kg coffee left *phiew*) > > > > Must be more than one container then. On this side of the pond, a 3 lb > > can is a big one, I get nervous when I am down to the last can. For use, > > that can gets dumped into a smaller plastic can with a handle that works > > much better for filling the Mr. Coffee for another 12 cups of Gods > > Blessing. > > > > I've been known to have 4 of the big cans on top of the fridge, buying it > > when its on sale at under 7 dollars a can. Wouldn't want to run out > > between sales now would we? > > > > > Nik > > I, too, shop for the sales, but nowadays I am a coffee snob (thanks to a > former girlfriend, since about 30 years ago now). I spend at least $30-40 > every month on the stuff. But I only like it strong and black, so at least I > save money by not needing to adulterate the elixir of enlightenment with > cream and sugar, etc. > > It's rather an expensive habit, and probably qualifies as an addiction, but > then as I get older, I have fewer and fewer dependable pleasures, so by that > measure it's cheap. It also goes well with reading, and a good book is a > friend for life. > > Bill > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Spoken like a true junkie... I mean connoisseur. Aye, that's it... connoisseur. 0_o Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> But you forgot mc, Kate, and its still the best after all these years. > Konqueror is a wannabe, and krusader is so limited its not worth its > storage space on spinning rust. Oh I didn't forget MC, but it's a "CLI" file manager (and a mighty one), but not a graphical one. I disagree with Konqueror being a wannabe. It's a fantastic tool with infinite uses. You just have to know how to use it. Krusader is a great one too, again, if you know how to use it. For me, for example, Krusader an archiving tool. Target on one side, source on another and it tests the archives for me. Been using it for years. Then using Luckybackup for the rest. In 20 years. I have NEVER lost data. That's also partly because I have it down to a science and do them every night. The first times, is always the hardest and most time consuming. I will say this about MC. It is a life saver. In the end, I have to agree, it is the most powerful tool of all under fire. Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On 2018-06-18 20:46:25 dep wrote: > > said Kate Draven: > > | Oh I didn't forget MC, but it's a "CLI" file manager (and a mighty one), > > | but not a graphical one. > > | > > | I disagree with Konqueror being a wannabe. It's a fantastic tool with > > | infinite uses. You just have to know how to use it. Krusader is a great > > | one too, again, if you know how to use it. > > > > and i think that both are necessary. the very first thing i install in a > > new linux setup is midnight commander -- the height of achievement by > > miguel de icaza, who in his declining career first invented gnome then > > went to work for msft. (a nice guy, though -- i interviewed him in boston > > when he was still doing ximian.) mc will get you out of all kinds of > > trouble. and "sudo mc" in a terminal is maybe the most practical desktop > > shortcut to a world of things. > > > > and for regular file management from the desktop, nothing touches > > konqueror. > > Well, I've found that Konqueror Very Often misrenders modern websites, but > IMO it's probably the best all-around file manager I've used; very flexible > due to splittable panes, kio slaves, etc. > I do miss KDE's Image View, which I think is better than the one in Trinity's > Konqueror, but otherwise, Konqueror rocks as a file manager. > > Leslie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh what differences have you experienced with the image view function? Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: got a puzzle OT
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On 2018-06-18 19:41:17 Kate Draven wrote: > > The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the "Deity" of the "religion" known as "The > > Pastafarians". > > > > More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster > > > > The Line "Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti > > again!" is just me. > > > > All hail TFSM creator of chocolate. > > Ooooh! Chocolate pasta?! > > Leslie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh you naughty devil! Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] got a puzzle OT
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On Monday 18 June 2018 01:03:29 Kate Draven wrote: > > > We all know it's the Flying Spaghetti Monster that created all things! > > Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti again! > > > > Kate > > Chuckle. It's been ages since I've heard that phrase. I have 50 yo kids > that have never heard it. And my memory is fading, what song or tv show > originated that? Seems like it must have been a song, circa 1970 or so. > Or was that the one about the one-eyed, flying purple people eater? > > -- The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the "Deity" of the "religion" known as "The Pastafarians". More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster The Line "Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti again!" is just me. All hail TFSM creator of chocolate. Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: qtcurve
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> Kate Draven wrote: > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > this is qt4 or qt5 - in this case you need to install the dependencies and I > don't think you should mess with kwin anyway. > > perhaps qt5 is better choice, but qt4 is coexisting in debian stretch with > trinity and I think there were some integration efforts from TDE team. > However qt5 is replacing qt4, so for the future it is the path to follow. > > best would be to port it to qt3 (if possible) > > regards > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ok so changing 'kde" to 'tde" and kwin to 'twin" isn't going to help. There's a more to it than I'm seeing aye? Thanks to all, Kate

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