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pet peeve
by Gene Heskett 16 Nov '15

16 Nov '15

Greetings all; One of the un-nessessarily difficult aspects of running linuxcnc, is how the mouse vs menu's is handled. LinuxCNC's file menu in particular has a behaviour that needs a liberal application of a LART but when I ask the developers about it I am told its whatever the window manager does. In this case chase the mouse over and click on the left hand "file" menu, which brings up a list of next operation choices, as you would expect. 2nd on the menu is "recent files". Makes perfect sense because one is often cycleing thru at least 2 file, maybe more, and several tool changes before removing that workpiece from the jig. Problem is, in order to maintain that 2nd menu, the mouse cursor must not leave the "recent files" line of text in the primary menu, else the secondary menu disappears to be replaced by the sub-menu the mouse might be traveling over, ostensibly on its way to the 2nd menu's display. Net result is that sub-menu's are popping up and disappearing as the mouse mopves, and when the pointer arrives at where the filename you wanted to click on, its not there, having been replaced by something else whose only commonality is that it belongs in the "file" menu category. 1. Clicking on the already highlighted "recent files" line of text does nothing, although one would normally expect the click to at least lock it to that function. 2. So I must pull over my chair and sit down so I can guide the mouse as it moves sideways, such that it never leaves that line of text. A 3 second click here, click on the name, done, simply is not possible. The operation can take as long as 30 seconds to get lucky and guide the mouse accurately enough not to lose the menu and get something else. Is it possible to let the mouse click select the menu, then click select the sub-menu, then click select the filename one wants without all this gingerbread popping up and derailing ones line of thought? IOW, do nothing between clicks, just check to see where the click was, totally ignoring how the mouse got to where the click was issued? Its called useability by me, and the present menu's popping in and out of existence as the mouse is moved performance is a huge hindrance to productivity. Obviously, showing the pointer moving is fine, but doing nothing else until a click is issued would be the ideal target. Is it fixable someplace? Thanks people. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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kmail vs gmail problem
by Gene Heskett 15 Nov '15

15 Nov '15

Greetings; Twice in the last 2 weeks I have been forced to reboot the machine, as it had a locked up, unkillable session of kmail showing in htop. I had hit the list reply button, only to be greeted by the spinning dumbell mouse cursor, which would spin forever. The machine was NOT stuck in a loop someplace burning up cpu's, nothing, not even kmail was showing any great cpu activity, but the process itself was unkillable. This time I was attempting to teach Bret Busby how to construct a sig separator, the \r-- \r sequence and it was one of his reply messages I was reading & tried to reply to when it locked up. This reboot took around 30 minutes because /amandatapes-1T, a terabyte drive, had not been fsck'd in 181 days, and fscking a terabyte drive, even if no errors other than severe fragmentation (62%) exist is a 30 to 45 minute process. Amanda, the backup program, /thinks/ the drive is a 30 tape, changer equiped library. (except its 10,0000% more dependable that such a mechanical monster would be, and 2% of the cost) I'd hate to think how long it will take to do a 2 terabyte drive as there is now 4 of them here at the Heskett mini-ranchette. Its difficult to buy anything smaller. I deleted the last 4 messages from him from ~/Mail/kubuntu-users/cur before I restarted kmail, knowing I'd be going thru the same hung machine procedure if I didn't. Last time I made 3 reboots trying, and finally just cleaned out the folder (a different one) before trying a 4th reboot & kmail restart. That, like this, complained about the index file being corrupted on the launch of kmail but normal operation was able to be resumed. Has anyone a clue just what gmail is doing now? Or how to fix kmail so it tolerates a message posted from their (IMNSHO) busted webmail app? This is R14.0.0.2 I believe. Last updated from Slavics? server a day back. Looks like I'll need to reboot again, I have a net caused ooops in the log, and my local network is dead although I can ping yahell. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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Perhaps not the best venue
by Kate Draven 14 Nov '15

14 Nov '15

Perhaps this is not the best venue. However, I believe we have some of us living in France. I pray you are safe. I'll keep you in me prayers, and will pray for the hostages and those who were wounded on killed in today's happening. May this all end in peace. Kate

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PCLOS updated report
by Kate Draven 10 Nov '15

10 Nov '15

Forgot to mention kipi plugins are not seen by the "qt3" or kde3 version of digikam, but is seen in the kde4 version. Also gphotoframe is spitting this little error; [kate@localhost ~]$ gphotoframe Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/gphotoframe", line 19, in <module> from gphotoframe.liststore import PhotoListStore ImportError: No module named gphotoframe.liststore So far I can't figure it out but I'm still on it. Kate

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PCLOS Happy!
by Kate Draven 09 Nov '15

09 Nov '15

I've been playing about with the latest release of PCLOS. I'm very happy with it so far. There are some things I don't know if I care for, such as HAL, but so far it hasn't bothered me or refused to open the pod bay doors. I had a little trouble with synaptic and the reps, but I'm figuring that out. Never try to figure things out when deprived of chocolate btw. I can't remember the lad's name, that put this together but cheers to you. So far so good. Sorry to took so long to get back to you on the test results but I never just do an install, I do some deep testing and mods. If it can stand up to me insanity, then it's a go. Cheers to all Kate

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Wow, over 300 new k* packages this morning
by Gene Heskett 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Greetings; I hope this does not get "interesting". Things were, with the usual foibles, working well. Its all being installed now. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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TDE not reacting on camera
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 02 Nov '15

02 Nov '15

Hi all! I have a funny problem with a camera: "Casio Exilim", is recognised as a usb storage device, and under TDE <= 14.0.0 the camera was managed by TDEs device manager, i.e. a popup appered "New media found. What do you want to do?", just like any USB stick. After the update to 14.0.1 things have changed: usb-sticks are still managed as expected, just the camera is not. I can mount it manually (but that's not quite what the user expected). So, where should I go looking? It's debian jessie, btw. This is the log, when the camera is plugged in: Sep 18 10:17:56 t60 kernel: [ 5789.060257] usb 6-4.3: new full-speed USB device number 8 using ehci-pci Sep 18 10:17:56 t60 mtp-probe: checking bus 6, device 8: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.7/usb6/6-4/6-4.3" Sep 18 10:17:56 t60 kernel: [ 5789.156609] usb 6-4.3: New USB device found, idVendor=07cf, idProduct=1001 Sep 18 10:17:56 t60 kernel: [ 5789.156614] usb 6-4.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Sep 18 10:17:56 t60 kernel: [ 5789.156616] usb 6-4.3: Product: CASIO QV DIGITAL Sep 18 10:17:56 t60 kernel: [ 5789.156618] usb 6-4.3: Manufacturer: CASIO COMPUTER Sep 18 10:17:56 t60 kernel: [ 5789.157290] usb-storage 6-4.3:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected Sep 18 10:17:56 t60 kernel: [ 5789.157543] usb-storage 6-4.3:1.0: Quirks match for vid 07cf pid 1001: a Sep 18 10:17:56 t60 kernel: [ 5789.157562] scsi9 : usb-storage 6-4.3:1.0 Sep 18 10:17:56 t60 mtp-probe: bus: 6, device: 8 was not an MTP device Sep 18 10:17:57 t60 kernel: [ 5790.156355] scsi 9:0:0:0: Direct-Access Casio QV DigitalCamera 1000 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 Sep 18 10:17:57 t60 kernel: [ 5790.160426] sd 9:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 Sep 18 10:17:57 t60 kernel: [ 5790.170969] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] 1995264 512-byte logical blocks: (1.02 GB/974 MiB) Sep 18 10:17:57 t60 kernel: [ 5790.171966] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off Sep 18 10:17:57 t60 kernel: [ 5790.189001] sdc: sdc1 Sep 18 10:17:57 t60 kernel: [ 5790.201969] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk This is an ordenary usb-stick: Sep 18 10:34:31 t60 kernel: [ 6783.480076] usb 7-2: new high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci-pci Sep 18 10:34:31 t60 kernel: [ 6783.612894] usb 7-2: New USB device found, idVendor=0204, idProduct=6025 Sep 18 10:34:31 t60 kernel: [ 6783.612900] usb 7-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 Sep 18 10:34:31 t60 kernel: [ 6783.612904] usb 7-2: Product: Flash Disk Sep 18 10:34:31 t60 kernel: [ 6783.612907] usb 7-2: Manufacturer: CBM Sep 18 10:34:31 t60 kernel: [ 6783.612910] usb 7-2: SerialNumber: 041513026D144601 Sep 18 10:34:31 t60 kernel: [ 6783.613300] usb-storage 7-2:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected Sep 18 10:34:31 t60 kernel: [ 6783.613717] scsi11 : usb-storage 7-2:1.0 Sep 18 10:34:31 t60 mtp-probe: checking bus 7, device 4: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb7/7-2" Sep 18 10:34:31 t60 mtp-probe: bus: 7, device: 4 was not an MTP device Sep 18 10:34:32 t60 kernel: [ 6784.612935] scsi 11:0:0:0: Direct-Access CBM Flash Disk 5.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 Sep 18 10:34:32 t60 kernel: [ 6784.617111] sd 11:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0 Sep 18 10:34:32 t60 kernel: [ 6784.622992] sd 11:0:0:0: [sdd] 2017280 512-byte logical blocks: (1.03 GB/985 MiB) Sep 18 10:34:32 t60 kernel: [ 6784.623630] sd 11:0:0:0: [sdd] Write Protect is off Sep 18 10:34:32 t60 kernel: [ 6784.627244] sdd: sdd1 Sep 18 10:34:32 t60 kernel: [ 6784.630735] sd 11:0:0:0: [sdd] Attached SCSI removable disk Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA.

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Missing posts
by Baron 01 Nov '15

01 Nov '15

Hi Guys, I don't know if there is a problem or not with the web archives for "trinity-devel(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net" The archive is no longer ordered by date and there seems to be a lot of posts missing. Indeed looking back I haven't had a post from the "devel" list since 25th October 2015. A post I made to that list yesterday hasn't shown up either :-( -- Best Regards: Baron

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missing underscores.
by Felmon Davis 01 Nov '15

01 Nov '15

greets! took a laptop out I haven't used for about a month or so but which had been my daily machine, Thinkpad x120e. I couldn't get in via the password. I sensed the advent of senility until I determined it wasn't registering the underscore. I booted off a livecd and chrooted in, removed underscore from the pw and got in normally. I made sure the keyboard was set to US english (intl) but I still couldn't use grsync! that is, it wouldn't take the pw to my NAS which also has underscores. not sure right now what other keys were wrong. it replaces the underscore with hyphens. so I'm guessing gnome stuff got scrambled. I use Hare's exegnu. I'm on jessie. I'm hoping there's a quick command-line fix. what caused this, I don't know but I assume some hard-drive blip. f. -- Felmon Davis The clash of ideas is the sound of freedom.

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Trinity in the news
by Baron 30 Oct '15

30 Oct '15

Hi Guys, I've not been around for a week or three and have not been able to collect my magazines until today. However in "Electronics Weekly", October 14 - 20 th edition, on the front page, there is a mention of Trinity DE on the Raspberry Pi running "Q4OS Linux distribution. Quote: "Raspberry Pi has a new "Windows lookalike" operating system. Q4OS is a Linux distribution that uses the Trinity Desktop Environment, and one of it's most interesting features is that it looks like and its functionality imitates Windows based operating systems." Unfortunately the article does not mention the author of the article. -- Best Regards: Baron

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