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Disabling Nepomuk
by John A. Sullivan III 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

Hello, all. One of the bug reasons we avoid KDE4 is the resource drain of running Nepomuk. However, we are finding it is always starting on our Trinity desktops. How does one prevent Nepomuk from starting? Thanks - John

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Furture of KDE3 questions
by Larry Stotler 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

High guys. This may have been spelled out somewhere, but if so I missed it, so please bear with me. I've been a KDE user since 1.x which was part of SuSE v5.3. Up till KDE4, I was always found KDE to do what I needed. I have some questions about the future direction of KDE3: 1. Qt4 port - I saw that this is one the roadmap. Is this really neccessary? I know that a lot of my complaints about KDE4 was the useless revamp of the interface, but having to have both Qt3/4 libs was also a huge pain. I'm not against a port if there are compelling reasons for it, but I have seen no compelling reason for KDE4. It uses more memory and space. I have a lot of older laptops that I find KDE3 to be snappy and KDE4 to be like molassas. 2. What about the other KDE projects like KOffice? I've always made use of KOffice instead of anything else. I find OpenOffice to be bloated. 3. Removal of HAL in favor of udev - Is this something that is going to affect KDE3? 4. Dependencies - I'm not sure how it is on other distros, but I've always found SuSE/openSUSE to suffer from unneccessary dependencies. Not everyone has a Palmpilot device, and most PIMs assume you do and force you to install support for something you don't have. I'm not sure how the core KDE and the other projects handle this. How is Trinity planning to do it? 5. XOrg and KDE3 - on openSUSE 11.3, I can't setup my displays because openSUSE removed it's config program SaX2 and I can't get XOrg to work with my displays. Works fine in openSUSE 11.0/KDE3 because I have SaX2. Is there an alternative for configuring displays? Sorry if some of this is a repeat. I'm new to the list, but a longtime KDE user. Thanx

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Thoughts & wishes about the Trinity project status and its future...
by Nicolas BERCHER 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

Hi, I have a few questions about the Trinity project status,(part of them seem to have been partially discussed on the list): - Is Trinity endorsed in any way by the KDE project (except the share of sources repository)? - Are there original KDE3 developpers involved in Trinity development? If so, I'd really like to know if they do it because KDE4 broke too much things (and/or they consider a desktop environment should not break things this way)? - What are the long term perspectives about Trinity? Will Trinity become something different than KDE3 or it keep it as close as possible? I mean, the move from KDE3 to KDE4 changed & broke a lots of things that I used to work with since 2004. I'd really like a desktop environment that doesn't change too much, that keeps its basis stable (eg. themes can evolve, apps be improved, but keep it functionally the same!). By the end, I really think it's a matter of "respect for users": if one changes things like KDE4 did, what do we have to think about respect they have (or don't have) for their users? OK KDE4 is beautiful, etc. but it's deaply another desktop environment (also deeply slow in some particular configurations such as konsole/nvidia ships), so why should I continue to use KDE desktops? I almost think KDE4 should have change its name to something else OR... KDE3 should have been officially maintained... or Trinity officially endorsed (is that the case?)! So, what's going on? Thank you, Nicolas PS: Do you have an idea about the approximate number of Trinity users? It seems this list is always growing...

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Debian Squeeze: installing trinity requires to remove gnome package
by Nicolas BERCHER 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

Hi, I use Trinity on 3 machines (1×Lenny+2×Squeeze) and was surprized installing Trinity on Squeeze: aptitude asked me to remove the gnome package and a few others (sorry I didn't have a copy of the aptitude messages). The main reason was about desktop-base (initially 6.0.5) conflicting with desktop-base-trinity (5.0.3-5). I assume this isn't the expected behaviour since there's no reason to remove gnome when installing trinity. However, I don't miss gnome at all but still I am surprized. Does this mean that there will be more and more issues when installing trinity on systems with recent libraries in a near future? I wonder how much trinity will evolve in parallel of kde4/gnome packages and underlying libraries that also evolves...? Nicolas

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Removing Plymouth
by Luciano ES 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

I hate Plymouth as much as I hate KDE4. Whatever pimp-faced form-over-function moron who decided to inflict this crap upon us obviously doesn't use encrypted hard disks. I do, so the damn thing keeps failing and forcing me to boot several times until the damn thing finally boots correctly. I am absolutely sick of it, it has to go. But there is no 'kdm' program installed and there doesn't seem to be any for me to install in Adept Manager either. How am I going to boot into KDE3/Trinity when I finally get rid of Plymouth? TIA -- Luciano ES >>

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Upgrading from KDE4
by Neil Youngman 11 Jan '11

11 Jan '11

I was a happy KDE3 user for years, but recently, as part of upgrading Debian I got KDE4. I've tried GNOME and various other desktop environments, but I didn't find anything I liked. Recently someone debian-users mentioned trinity on and it seems to be the desktop environment I'm looking for. Before I try it out, I would like to know what pitfalls there are in upgrading from KDE4 to Debian. The KDE3->KDE4 transition was a bit messy and I think it's likely that KDE4 has messed up my old KDE3 configuration. Has anyone else done this and what would they advise? Should I start from scratch with a clean configuration or will it be OK to copy my existing configuration? Neil Youngman

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Better choice of extras?
by Luciano ES 09 Jan '11

09 Jan '11

I want to install the *-restricted-extras package, and I can't make up my mind whether I should install kubuntu-restricted-extras or ubuntu-restricted-extras. The kubuntu-restricted-extras option wants to install more than 100 dependencies, including some so-called KDE 4 "runtime" files, which makes me nervous. I've been finding KDE 4 very intrusive since it's been out, always forcing its way and trying to make people give up on 3.5 by sheer imposition. The ubuntu-restricted-extras option wants to install 60 dependencies, including some Gnome components. I suppose I would not get any KDE integration? I don't know. Which one do you experts recommend? -- Luciano ES >>

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Kernel source doesn't match kernel?
by Luciano ES 03 Jan '11

03 Jan '11

I am trying Ubuntu Maverick with Trinity 3.5.12, the live image I got from the trinity.pearsoncomputing.net site. I am testing how well it works before I do a potential upgrade. One of my tests includes installing VMWare. I couldn't make it work, VMWare complains that the source in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.whatever/include doesn't match the installed/running kernel, so it can't build the required modules. I got the source from the Adept Manager application (plus the build-essential package). Do you folks know anything about that? How can I get a kernel source that will match the running kernel? -- Luciano ES >>

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Netbook built-in mic support
by Luciano ES 02 Jan '11

02 Jan '11

I am using Trinity with Ubuntu Jaunty, an old installation. I am considering an upgrade. Before trying the latest Trinity distribution, I tried Mint 9 (Isadora). I didn't like it, it messes up too much with KDE 3. It forces me to remove KDE 3/Trinity completely if I try to install buld-essential and/or kernel source. Incredibly stupid. There is only one thing I envy about Mint: it supports the built-in microphone on my netbook, so I don't have to hold an external mic when I'm using Skype. That's new to me, it's great news, and sound quality is pretty good too! I tested the Trinity 3.5.11/Lucid and 3.5.12/Maverick live images, and the mic does not work in any of them. Do you guys know how I can achieve that with a pure "Trinity distro" installation? Thanks in advance. -- Luciano ES >>

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Debian Squeeze
by paul 15 Dec '10

15 Dec '10

I just installed Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) on my laptop. I wanted to go with the latest, but I also wanted to replace KDE with Trinity.. is this possible, and if so, where do I start? -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459

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