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Well, you've sold me, but . . .
by dep 14 Mar '23

14 Mar '23

For a start, I'll need to get months of treatment if I'm to recover from my exposure to the Trisquel folks. It's no exaggeration to say that they might well consider Richard M. Stallman insufficiently pure ideologically. Perhaps it comes from guilt; they acknowledge that without Canonical a/k/a Ubuntu they could not exist. It's a little like Judge Roy Bean's comment on reformed prostitutes, indeed, reformed anything. One referred to Debian as a "fallen gold standard," and I pointed out that gold is actually up $52 today, but I doubt that changed any minds. It's too bad. A simply de-Canonicaled Ubuntu would be a good thing. Which leaves Debian. If I weren't bone lazy I would have adopted it instead of Ubuntu many years ago. Thanks to everyone here for the many useful tips in that regard, and other regards, though I think it's pretty clear that Debian is the answer. It's rye whisky, while most other distros are umbrella drinks. I have one question (well, many, but this one just surprised me): of the many ISOs in the TDE repository, there isn't a Debian one. Is there some reason for this or simply nobody to make one? Like any good former OS/2 user, as a matter of reflex I have /home on its own partition, pictures on their own partition and drive, and so on. I'll probably further back up /home on an empty partition of another drive as well. (Having mentioned OS/2, let me once again whine about it having been wise from the get-go to segregate applications in their own directories, as opposed to intermingling them with everything else.) Anyway, having asked and been advised, I thought it right to let everybody know where I am ending up. -- dep Pictures: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/depscribe/album Column: https://ofb.biz/author/dep/

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MX Package Installer / Install TDE on any Debian based system
by Michael 14 Mar '23

14 Mar '23

On Monday 13 March 2023 05:21:01 pm dep via tde-users wrote: > > Nope. Gotta be Debian. Gotta land a taildragger sometime. Hi dep, Go you! I use MX/antiX solely because of the ease of use. Specifically for their “Package Installer.” It makes installing most anything a one click operation. Saving hours of research to correctly install something like a full LAMP stack or Virtuabox makes me happy. But at the end of the day it’s just a bunch of scripts, that are portable to any Debian based system. I’m not sure if you’ll want or need them, but I’m attaching the tar archive of the MX set of scripts for any that might find them useful. While most of them are easy enough to figure out, some (like the ***vpn’s) are fairly complex, but reading several to get the context should be good enough for most on this list to be able to deconstruct them into commands to run as root. Note: After modifying the location where the TDE sources.list is to fit your distribution, the ‘tde.pm’ file included will install TDE on any Debian based system. Best All, Michael

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Embedding viewing
by Darrell Anderson 13 Mar '23

13 Mar '23

Konqueror seems designed to view everything in an embedded viewer. I found this bug report: https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768 Is there an easy one-shot work-around to update konqueror so everything does not default to embedded view? Thanks. DA

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Arts not initializing
by Darrell Anderson 13 Mar '23

13 Mar '23

I installed TDE 14.0.12 on another system. Arts fails to initialize correctly in that attempting to use media players results in no sound. The problem seems unique to this system and only with TDE. I have tried fiddling with the various arts configurations in TCC. Sound issues do not exist on this specific system with other desktop environments. Sound issues do not exist in other systems with TDE. Comparing $TDEHOME config files with the functional systems has not found anything helpful. Any ideas how to fix this issue? Thanks. DA

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Dolphin will no longer open portable storage devices
by Ken Heard 13 Mar '23

13 Mar '23

I started my desktop one day last week and wanted to open such a device, but Dolphin would not let me. I was surprised because the previous day I had no trouble opening Dolphin. Something must have happened overnight. Instead that morning Dolphin crashed and returned a going away message which said the following, among other things: > The application Dolphin (d3lphin) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV). Another message provided by the TDE crash handler read as follows: > Could not generate a backtrace because the debugger 'gbd' was not found. I understand that the generic term for what happened is called a 'segmentation fault' and I know what that phrase means. What I do not know however it what to do to fix one when it occurs. I did however discover that I could access from a terminal and through Gwenview all my portable devices. Even so, the absence of Dolphin limited my full and effective use of the computer. I also tried using Konqueror but encountered problems with it as well. When I tried to open a device I expected that I would be able to view a list of the directories in the selected device. Instead Kwrite was activated, but said that it could not proceed because what Kwrite found there were directories rather than files. I would certainly be grateful for any help to me free myself from this dilemma. Regards, Ken Heard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Trisquel/drop-in ubuntu replacement
by dep 12 Mar '23

12 Mar '23

Just found this reply to my note on their list about jumping from Ubuntu to Trisquel. They're actually ideologically even more purist than Debian is, it seems -- there's a non-free Debian repository nowadays, isn't there? Anyway: First of all: welcome! > there are certain "non-free" packages i need, particularly video drivers. The Trisquel community will not "help" you install non-free software, because it does not consider it would actually be helping you: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/trisquel-community-guidelines > by pointing at the trisquel servers in my /etc/apt/sources.list instead > of ubuntu ones, i can switch by simply doing the usual apt update / apt > upgrade Non-free packages would remain and would never be upgraded, even if vulnerabilities in them are exploited. If I were you, I would export the list of installed packages following https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/cloning-system-or-how-make-copy-installed-pac… (for instance), make a fresh install of Trisquel 11 Beta 6 (based on Ubuntu 22.04) using the ISO on https://cdbuilds.trisquel.org/aramo/ providing your desktop environment of preference (tell us which one it is if you do not know what ISO to download) and import the packages. Those that are not installable are certainly proprietary software. > are the package names the same? Yes. > is there a non-free repository for things like vid drivers? No. Trisquel is 100% free software. > i presume my other sources.list lines, that have to do with ppas and the > like, could remain intact. You can save those files before the fresh install too. For your own sake, I hope you will not re-add PPA proposing proprietary software. > what version name (focal, jammy, for instance, should i employ The code name of Trisquel 10 (based on Ubuntu 20.04) is Nabia. That of Trisquel 11 (based on Ubuntu 22.04) is Aramo. > is there a model sources.list I could copy from? Because I download the packages from https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ (there are many other mirrors) and I use Trisquel 11 Aramo, my /etc/apt/sources.list is: # Trisquel repositories for supported software and updates deb https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ aramo main deb https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ aramo-security main deb https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ aramo-updates main deb https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ aramo-backports main [eoq] So they seem to be the computer equivalent of woke, which seems to me to be that they'd rather I follow the RMS model than have a computer that does what I need it to do. There are no Nvidia drivers from the FSF that do what the Nvidia binary blobs and associated configuration software do. The on-topic question: there are TDE packages that would work, correct? Are there even any for "aramo"? -- dep Pictures: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/depscribe/album Column: https://ofb.biz/author/dep/

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DCOP question
by J Leslie Turriff 11 Mar '23

11 Mar '23

Hi, Is there a way for one account to fetch information from another account's DCOP service? If I open a Konsole session that logs into another account's shell, can that shell fetch the SessionName from the DCOP of the Konsole account? Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 (x86_64) Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.13 tde-config: 1.0

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drop-in ubuntu replacements?
by dep 11 Mar '23

11 Mar '23

greets, everybody . . . i've been away, working on a book project, but now i need to turn to this list. i've used ubuntu for well over a decade, happily. canonical has gone kind of flaky -- first, update messages got salted with announcements that they're holding back some security updates unless i register with them (and we all know where that leads). now i updates my second machine, running 2004LTS, and got a pop-up saying support will end in 43 days unless i upgrade to 2204. until now, upgrading was simply a matter of changing the version name in the sources list, then doing the usual update/upgrade thing. usually i had to do it a couple of times to get everything, but it worked. my desktop is pretty elaborately configured. a clean install would take a week i don't have, followed by a year of every so often finding something that no longer works. so . . . i'm hoping to find what amounts to a ubuntu clone but free of whatever it is that canonical is up to. by this, i mean a distro that will let me change the version name (and probably the server) in the sources list (actually, in synaptic), and let 'er rip, with package names and so on being the same to the extent that it won't break everything. there used to be a lot of -buntus -- for a while i was using kubuntu until kde went its goofy way and ubuntu dropped support for it. i see now that there is something called "trisquel," and that seems a likely choice, if package naming conventions are the same -- i know that version names aren't. anybody tried it? i's do debian, but that would take me a week or two to fix the stuff broken by their politics, even as i'm trying to fix what canonical is breaking for business reasons. i do not want snap or appimage, just plain old deb. what's the right answer? is there a solid non-ubuntu ubuntu that without too much crowbar use runs TDE? thanks in advance. -- dep Pictures: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/depscribe/album Column: https://ofb.biz/author/dep/

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Coexistence of TDE and KDE
by Dave Close 10 Mar '23

10 Mar '23

I made these comments in response to a different topic and suspect they were overlooked as a result. Hence, another attempt. On a Fedora 37 system with KDE (5) working, I installed TDE. All of it except the applications. Having KDE 5 installed before installing TDE seems to have resulted in some confusion. The DE startup splash screen, for example, says it is starting Plasma by KDE. Once started, it does appear to actually be TDE. But some parts of TDE don't work as expected. For example, the TDE Control Center doesn't start if selected from the start menu. Nothing at all happens. Starting kcontrol from a shell does start what appears to be the program but nothing in it works. On exit, the shell reports, "WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found | Defaulting to Settings/". Is this sort of installation expected to work? Would it have been better to start with a fresh install? -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "What right does Congress have to go dave(a)compata.com, +1 714 434 7359 around making laws just because they dhclose(a)alumni.caltech.edu deem it necessary?" -- Marion Barry

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Configuring TDM
by Darrell Anderson 10 Mar '23

10 Mar '23

I am trying to configure TDM. The default is some kind of black background. The login dialog is so dark of a gray that I can't read the black text in the dialog. This seems to be an os_enterprise theme? Is this the normal default? Using the TCC Login Manager module I was able to get something usable, but I had to manually edit the tdmrc file to Theme= (nothing) to kill that dark theme. The login dialog has a title bar with a caption that says 'Login to TDE'. Looking at the code this seems hard-coded? Can this be changed? Seems the caption should say 'Login' or possibly be dynamic to whatever session the user selects? Regardless of whatever session I select I get dumped into a terminal window shell. Seems something is misconfigured and TDM is not sourcing any xsession files. Appreciate any help. DA

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