27 Apr
2014
27 Apr
'14
2:27 p.m.
Hi,
Looks like X11 is will come to the end of its life in the next few years, while Ubuntu
talks of Mir and there is also Wayland. Will it be possible to adapt TDE and TQt3 for
these new graphic frameworks?
Here is some links on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%28software%29
http://www.zdnet.com/mark-shuttleworth-mir-has-delivered-what-we-hoped-7000…
http://beta.slashdot.org/story/186653
-Alexandre
27 Apr
27 Apr
9:24 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] What about Mir and Wayland future support?
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Hi,
Looks like X11 is will come to the end of its life in the next few years,
while Ubuntu talks of Mir and there is also Wayland. Will it be possible
to adapt TDE and TQt3 for these new graphic frameworks?
Here is some links on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%28software%29
http://www.zdnet.com/mark-shuttleworth-mir-has-delivered-what-we-hoped-7000…
http://beta.slashdot.org/story/186653
-Alexandre
This will be very difficult. I have been aware of Wayland for some time
but I don't think X11 is truly coming to the end of its life anytime soon.
When the time does come we would need to write a new backend renderer
(probably targetting Cairo), then rewrite large chunks of TQt3, tdelibs,
and tdebase at minimum. This is not possible with our current manpower.
Tim
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28 Apr
28 Apr
12:40 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] What about Mir and Wayland future support?
Hi,
Looks like X11 is will come to the end of its life in the next few years,
while Ubuntu talks of Mir and there is also Wayland. Will it be possible
to adapt TDE and TQt3 for these new graphic frameworks?
Here is some links on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%28software%29
http://www.zdnet.com/mark-shuttleworth-mir-has-delivered-what-we-hoped-7000…
http://beta.slashdot.org/story/186653
-Alexandre
This will be very difficult. I have been aware of Wayland for some time
but I don't think X11 is truly coming to the end of its life anytime soon.
When the time does come we would need to write a new backend renderer
(probably targetting Cairo), then rewrite large chunks of TQt3, tdelibs,
and tdebase at minimum. This is not possible with our current manpower.
Tim 
2:07 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] What about Mir and Wayland future support?
I also don't think X will come to an end so quickly.
Anyhow searching for info on the internet, it looks like Mir provides an X stack on top of
it so that X application can continue to run. As long as that is available, we should be
able to get along.
If one day X support is completely dropped, then we will have a problem and we will have
to consider the best way forward.
Cheers
Michele
6:52 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] What about Mir and Wayland future support?
On 04/28/2014 07:40 AM, Alexandre wrote:
soon.
From the discussions I have read about in the past, everyone sees it as
a potential problem, but nobody seems to be terribly worried.
I don't think it's going to be much of an issue the first few years.
But then, .....I was just told that it would be better for humanity if I
stop thinking.
:-)
:-)
> Hi,
>
> Looks like X11 is will come to the end of its life in the next few
years,
> while Ubuntu talks of Mir and there is also
Wayland. Will it be
possible
> to adapt TDE and TQt3 for these new graphic
frameworks?
>
> Here is some links on it:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%28software%29
>
http://www.zdnet.com/mark-shuttleworth-mir-has-delivered-what-we-hoped-7000…
http://beta.slashdot.org/story/186653
-Alexandre
This will be very difficult. I have been aware of Wayland for some time
but I don't think X11 is truly coming to the end of its life anytime
When the time does come we would need to write a new backend renderer
(probably targetting Cairo), then rewrite large chunks of TQt3, tdelibs,
and tdebase at minimum. This is not possible with our current manpower.
Tim
Yes, it looks like a very complicated adaptation. Even KDE is not yet
supporting it fully, but at the same time, X has a long history of
no-so-good graphic performance and reliability issues. If something
better, and better adapted to newer multi-platform devices is made, I
think that it will be an improvement for Linux in general. Or maybe it
is possible to use one of the little X systems like Xvesa or Xfbdev as
a base to redirect the content of the screen to Wayland, but it is
possible that it makes little improvement in performance at the same time.
-Alexandre 
2:31 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] What about Mir and Wayland future support?
On 27/04/14 22:24, Timothy Pearson wrote:
There's the option to upgrade to Qt4 or Qt5, which would open up Trinity
to all the rendering back ends they support.
It's a big ask, but a lot easier to farm out - just get the base
framework ported and the package dependency tree becomes the project
plan for upgrading.
Once R14 is out I'd be happy to help - is there a dpkg way of printing
out the dependency tree of a group of packages from the trinity repos?
Regards,
Philip Ashmore
Hi,
Looks like X11 is will come to the end of its
life in the next few years,
while Ubuntu talks of Mir and there is also Wayland. Will it be possible
to adapt TDE and TQt3 for these new graphic frameworks?
Here is some links on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%28software%29
http://www.zdnet.com/mark-shuttleworth-mir-has-delivered-what-we-hoped-7000…
http://beta.slashdot.org/story/186653
-Alexandre
This will be very difficult. I have been aware of Wayland for some time
but I don't think X11 is truly coming to the end of its life anytime soon.
When the time does come we would need to write a new backend renderer
(probably targetting Cairo), then rewrite large chunks of TQt3, tdelibs,
and tdebase at minimum. This is not possible with our current manpower.
Tim
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