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Running Android apps on TDE?
by Michael 18 Jul '18

18 Jul '18

Anyone have any experience with running Android apps on TDE/Ubuntu 14.04? There seems to be several ways to do it, some more secure that others. I guess I’m looking for the way that completely containerizes the Android apps, something similar to how Whonix works. Thanks, Michael

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krename crashes immediately when hitting [OK] or enter in find und replace dialog
by Stefan Krusche 16 Jul '18

16 Jul '18

Good day everyone, has anybody experienced this: when you finish the find and replace dialog in krename from tab "filename" in "tabbed default profile" by either clicking on OK or hitting [Enter] krename crashes immediately? I noticed this only recently. I had installed krename on 2018-06-03 on a fresh Devuan ascii system and according to apt's history.log it wasn't upgraded since then. krename is from PSB: $ krename --version Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.5 [DEVELOPMENT] KRename: 3.0.14 $ apt-cache policy krename-trinity krename-trinity: Installed: 4:14.0.4-0debian9.0.0+0~a Candidate: 4:14.0.4-0debian9.0.0+0~a Version table: *** 4:14.0.4-0debian9.0.0+0~a 500 500 http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb stretch/main-r14 amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Kind regards, Stefan

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libtqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file
by Oleg Levenets 16 Jul '18

16 Jul '18

Hi, I'm using a modified script with github to compile tde: https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds this works very well, except that when compiling tqt3: https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds/blob/master/Deps/tqt3/tqt3.SlackBu… I see errors in the log: error while loading shared libraries: libtqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Does anyone know how to fix this and make the library visible? best regards, Oleg Levenets.

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After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
by Stefan Krusche 15 Jul '18

15 Jul '18

Good day everyone, I'm using trinity 14.0.5 from preliminary stable builds on devuan ascii (debian stretch). Through the most recent upgrade, that I executed on 2018-07-02 11:42:01, tdm (amongst a couple others) got upgraded: tdm-trinity:amd64 (4:14.0.5~pre39-0debian9.0.0+6, 4:14.0.5~pre42-0debi an9.0.0+6) After this upgrade tdm wouldn't start anymore and in /var/log/boot I found this error message: Not starting Trinity Display Manager (tdm); it is not the default display manager. The file is there: $ ls -l /etc/X11/default-display-manager -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14 Jul 2 11:42 /etc/X11/default-display-manager And it says: $ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager /usr/bin/slim Solution: $ dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity Of course, tdm was the default display manager already before the upgrade, and, as you can guess from the above, slim is installed, too. I think, it should not be necessary to reconfigure the display manager, or, least, the user should be prompted to do so at installation. IIRC, this happened already at the previous upgrade to ~pre39. Has anybody seen this? Do you think it is a bug? Regards, Stefan

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Re: [trinity-users] info archlinux TDE
by sacarde 15 Jul '18

15 Jul '18

>Alle venerdì 13 luglio 2018, hai scritto: > > > > I build from PKGBUILD from this 2 sites > > > > https://github.com/michael-manley/Trinity_ArchLinux_PKGBUILD.git trinity > > https://github.com/e1z0/Trinity_ArchLinux_PKGBUILD > > Can you give a short description on how to do that? I use Manjaro and > usually I just use the repos and Octopi. I didn't find a tutorial on how > to install with the help of a pkgbuild file, and after checking there I > find numerous such fildes for different packages - in which order should > they be installed (I know from earlier distros I had that it can become > difficult due to interdependencies)? > I follow this (in archlinux): https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Trinity sacarde(a)tiscali.it

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] krename crashes immediately when hitting [OK] or enter in find und replace dialog
by Kate Draven 14 Jul '18

14 Jul '18

> Am Samstag, 14. Juli 2018 schrieb Kate Draven: > > This is an old bug. It happened in kde3.5.10. I have two laptops still > > running kde from 2008 and the same thing happens. I guess it was never > > fixed and has somehow resurfaced. > > I didn't know until I found the bug report. However, this bug never happened to > me before, though, like I said, I'have been using krename regularly. > > Regards, > Stefan > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- It seems to depend on a lot of factors. Which may suggest the problem is else where, if not in krename or perhaps a combo. I agree btw, Krename is very convenient. Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] krename crashes immediately when hitting [OK] or enter in find und replace dialog
by Kate Draven 14 Jul '18

14 Jul '18

> Am Samstag, 14. Juli 2018 schrieb Stefan Krusche: > > Good day everyone, > > > > has anybody experienced this: when you finish the find and replace dialog > > in krename from tab "filename" in "tabbed default profile" by either > > clicking on OK or hitting [Enter] krename crashes immediately? > > > > I noticed this only recently. I had installed krename on 2018-06-03 on a > > fresh Devuan ascii system and according to apt's history.log it wasn't > > upgraded since then. > > > > krename is from PSB: > > $ krename --version > > Qt: 3.5.0 > > TDE: R14.0.5 [DEVELOPMENT] > > KRename: 3.0.14 > > > > $ apt-cache policy krename-trinity > > krename-trinity: > > Installed: 4:14.0.4-0debian9.0.0+0~a > > Candidate: 4:14.0.4-0debian9.0.0+0~a > > Version table: > > *** 4:14.0.4-0debian9.0.0+0~a 500 > > 500 http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb stretch/main-r14 amd64 > > Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > > > > Okay. I just found this bug which describes the same erroneous behavior: > https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2835 > > Because I've been using krename a lot, I'm very sure, though, that did not > happen on a Devuan jessie system with TDE R14.0.4 which I had been using until > recently. > > Would it be appropriate to add the above information to bug #2835? > > Kind regards, > Stefan > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is an old bug. It happened in kde3.5.10. I have two laptops still running kde from 2008 and the same thing happens. I guess it was never fixed and has somehow resurfaced. Kate

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info archlinux TDE
by sacarde 14 Jul '18

14 Jul '18

hi, someone has experience performing trinity on archlinux distro or derived using: Server = https://repo.nasutek.com/arch/contrib/trinity/x86_64 thank you sacarde(a)tiscali.it

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Re: [trinity-users] Auto sort application list by name in the Panel?
by Michael 12 Jul '18

12 Jul '18

On Thursday 12 July 2018 04:36:37 am you wrote: > On 2018/07/12 04:33 AM, Michael wrote: > > We have a Panel, it has multiple application groups, each group has its > > own pop-up (menu) that shows the running instances. > > > > For example, I have a single Kwrite group on my Panel and, when I click > > on it, it has 28 open files listed in its pop-up. But, they’ve always > > been in some bizarre order and the order changes (especially during > > logout/login, but also based on usage) making finding a specific file in > > the list difficult. > > > > You can sorta kludge a specific file to the bottom of the list by closing > > it and then re-opening it. But when you open/close 50 to 100 files a > > day, it doesn’t help much. > > > > Question: > > > > Is there a config somewhere to make the Panel pop-up lists auto sort by > > name? > > > > Thanks, Michael > > Hi Michael, > can you post some sort of screenshot to give us a better understanding? It > is not very clear to be honest... Cheers > Michele Sure, Attached, or if that doesn't work I can find a file upload service. Best, Michael

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Default filemanager question
by Pisini, John 12 Jul '18

12 Jul '18

In older versions of KDE in the default aplications section of Kcontrol there used to be a way to change the file manager see picture in link below. I don't see that anymore. I would like to change from Konqueror to Pcmanfm as my default. Is there a way to set that from the command line or a way to add back the file manager selection? I find that PCmanfm can be set to see many more types of thumbnails than Konqueror can and I find that very helpful. https://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kde_default.png -- John Pisini Systems Administrator TFCCS 617-450-3988 Disclaimer for email: The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. This email is not intended to, and shall not, constitute an electronic signature giving rise to a binding legal contract, unless expressly stated otherwise in the body of the email by the sender.

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Auto sort application list by name in the Panel?
by Michael 11 Jul '18

11 Jul '18

We have a Panel, it has multiple application groups, each group has its own pop-up (menu) that shows the running instances. For example, I have a single Kwrite group on my Panel and, when I click on it, it has 28 open files listed in its pop-up. But, they’ve always been in some bizarre order and the order changes (especially during logout/login, but also based on usage) making finding a specific file in the list difficult. You can sorta kludge a specific file to the bottom of the list by closing it and then re-opening it. But when you open/close 50 to 100 files a day, it doesn’t help much. Question: Is there a config somewhere to make the Panel pop-up lists auto sort by name? Thanks, Michael

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Android Studio doesn't work only in TDE
by Diego M. Vadell 10 Jul '18

10 Jul '18

Hi everybody, I wanted to use Android Studio 3, a java application, and it works with XFCE but it doesn't work with TDE. Any idea of what could be happening? I tried strace'ing the process but I can't find anything useful. JAVA_HOME is there. I'm using Oracle's java, the one Android Studio requires. A graphical program (a java game, freeCol) works. I don't know what else to try besides switching to xfce. Cheers, -- Diego.

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You found it!!!!!!!!!!! I have sound after a tdm restart, and after a reboot!!!!!!!!
by Gene Heskett 08 Jul '18

08 Jul '18

Updated quite a few packages this morning, including tdm. I could hardly believe my ears, but a tdm restart played the kde sign-on music, so I got a terminal on tty1 and ran speaker-test -c2, worked a treat. Rebooted just to make sure I wasn't hallucinating, worked again. So you found whatever was killing my audio as soon as x started. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you! Did I say it yet? A tip of my Woolrich hat, and a hearty Thank you. Do I dare ask what it was? -- Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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How to use mouse click as part of a keyboard shortcut?
by mb_trinity_desktop＠inet-design.com 07 Jul '18

07 Jul '18

Hi All, In a boneheaded move, I ended up deleting quite a few of my .config files (user/.trinity/…) and while I’ve restored/fixed almost everything back to the way it was, I can’t seem to re-figure out how I used a mouse click in keyboard shortcuts. I had this working globally: {Windows Key} + {left mouse click} = Minimize application under mouse cursor If you get use to it, it’s insanely useful and much easier than tracking down each app’s minimize button. # # # I thought I had originally set it up in the Trinity Control Center: Trinity Control Center >> Regional & Accessibility >> Keyboard Shortcuts (Global Shortcuts >> Windows >> Minimize Window) But I can’t get that to take a mouse click in the “Configure Shortcut” popup. {Windows Key} + {space} works. AFAIK I didn’t install anything else to do this: michael@local [~/.trinity/share]# which file xbindkeys xdotool xautomation easystroke xev /usr/bin/file /usr/bin/xev # # # So a couple questions: - Does the “Configure Shortcut” popup take mouse clicks for anyone else? - Can anyone point me in the right direction on what I need to dig back into to restore/fix it’s config so mouse clicks can be use in keyboard shortcuts again? Thanks All, Michael

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my other thank you msg never came back, so here is another
by Gene Heskett 07 Jul '18

07 Jul '18

Greetings; You found the sound killer and fixed it with this mornings update. Thank you very much. -- Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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default display manager in Ubuntu 16.04 + trinity
by Uwe Brauer 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Hi I have recently installed trinity on Ubuntu 16.04 in two ways 1. Installing Ubuntu 16.04 first and then add the trinity repos 2. Using the livecd. There are subtle difference. One concern the default-display-manager In both cases I have set it to /opt/trinity/bin/tdm But while the login screen looks relatively modern in the first case (it has the log of powered by trinity), the second installations log screen has the charme of the 90, no offense intended. Any explanation for this behaviour? Regards Uwe Brauer

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: starting kweather?
by Kate Draven 04 Jul '18

04 Jul '18

> William Morder wrote: > > > When I was a child, I used to think that the music and the announcers and > > other voices somehow lived inside the radio and TV. Then when I got a bit > > older, I came to understand that they sent out their broadcasts from a > > studio, a building that was some distance away. Since I had seen > > television shows like Ed Sullivan, with musicians playing their songs, I > > knew that they had instruments and equipment, but I was puzzled about how > > they could change so quickly from one group to another. My theory was that > > they must have several different rooms, and that some music group would be > > playing in one room while another would be setting up in another, and so > > on. > > > > This is exactly why women tend to humanize us lonely bachelors, and make > > them presentable in public, and to brighten up a home; it has something to > > do with that tendency. The world would be a very dull place without a > > little irrationality to make us bounce through life, rather than scraping > > along, in deadly seriousness, freed from superstiton, but weighed down by > > the irresistible force of gravity. > > I would say it is simply pragmatics over mother instinct - it's just > nature - be it "God made us so" or Nature or Evolution. > > regards > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Silly boys.

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] starting kweather?
by Kate Draven 03 Jul '18

03 Jul '18

> Am Sonntag 01 Juli 2018 schrieb William Morder: > > On Sunday 01 July 2018 14:04:31 dep wrote: > > > i just installed kwether and, when nothing appeared on the kmenu, all of > > > kde toys, which did appear -- but not kweather. nor will it start from > > > the command prompt by typing either kweather or kweather-trinity. what am > > > i doing wrong? > > > > > > âdep > > > > Isn't that an app that you can add to the panel? I don't use it, so I > > hesitate to make suggestions, and don't want to screw up my own panel with > > experiments. However, as I recall, you right-click to unlock the panel, the > > right-click again to add apps. > > I can confirm that. Right-click on the unlocked kicker panel, choose "Add > applet..." and a nice box opens with a list where you should find kweather. > > Regards, > Stefan > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Stefan You forgot to tell him, he needs to offer the computer chocolate as well. Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] today's immature bothersome question
by Kate Draven 03 Jul '18

03 Jul '18

> On Monday 02 July 2018 18:30:34 Mike Bird wrote: > > > On Mon July 2 2018 07:36:36 Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Monday 02 July 2018 09:01:14 Mike Bird wrote: > > > > On Mon July 2 2018 05:34:50 Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > On Monday 02 July 2018 07:48:29 Mike Bird wrote: > > > > > > ls -l /etc/*.d/S*alsa* > > > > > > > > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Oct 5 > > > > > 2015 /etc/rcS.d/S21alsa-utils -> ../init.d/alsa-utils > > > > > > > > Hi Gene, > > > > > > > > That's good. There's a good chance Kate's suggestion of checking > > > > the controls in kmix will solve your problem. > > > > > > > > --Mike > > > > > > BTDT enough times to pay for the t-shirt. Tain't there. > > > > OK, so we know ALSA is set to start automatically. I don't think > > we know yet that it is working as system sounds can happen without > > ALSA. > > > > (1) Please use speaker-test before login to determine whether > > ALSA works before login. Make a note of which speakers it > > finds. Can you hear them all? ctrl-C to stop it when you > > get bored. > > > > (2) What precisely tain't there? Kmix? Some slider you were > > expecting? > > > > (3) In Control Center / Sound & Multimedia / Sound System is it > > enabled on the General tab? > > > > (4) ... and is networked sound enable? (Easier if it is not.) > > Not now, was though. > > > (5) ... and which Audio Device is selected on the Hardware tab? > > > > BTW, a possible kludge for your situation might be to disable > > "restore volumes on login" in kmix / settings / configure kmix. > > > > --Mike > > I won't slap down on a bible, but I faintly recall setting that option > way back when. And it had no effect, but I think its still on. Due to > poor gain in my speakers, most of kmix has been wide open for years. > > > -- > Cheers, Gene Heskett Ok there's a clue. Grab some headphones and see it there's any sound. Running speakers at max can blow their voice coils. Kate PS we should change the title of this thread to "The Sound of Silence"

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Bugszilla summary
by Michele Calgaro 03 Jul '18

03 Jul '18

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today's immature bothersome question
by dep 03 Jul '18

03 Jul '18

in my seemingly never-ending attempt to equip the GPD device with TDE and optimize its configuration, i'm trying to set the screen not to just blank but to power down when the screensaver is called. but when i get to kcontrol > system administration > monitor & display, i get: Will not save configuration Configuration file "/home/dep/trinity/share/config/kiccconfigrc" not writeable. Please contsact your system administrator. So I got up and walked into the other room, where there is a mirror, and contacted myself face-to-face, but it got no better. And looking in the referenced directory I see that it, alone among the config files there, has root ownership and instead of the plain text file icon has one of the little question-mark icons signifying an unknown filetype. if i try to open it with kate, it is blank. it is *not* a symlink. before i break smething i thought i'd ask -- is there any reason this file has these atributes? dep Sent withProtonMailSecure Email. Because privacy matters.

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: starting kweather?
by Kate Draven 02 Jul '18

02 Jul '18

> William Morder wrote: > > > You are anthropomorphizing your computer, and childishly ascribing to a > > machine your own personal likes and dislikes. > > > > Everybody knows that computers run on Guinnness Extra Stout. > > There has been a study ages ago, that people (especially women) tend to > handle computers as human beings. Funny but true :)so this is nothing > unusual. > There was a story I heard that in the 1920ties older woman in Germany put a > cake infront of the radio so that the homunculus inside would have > something to eat :) > > regards > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Studies have also shown such behavior to be the product of a superior mind. They also show that things tend to last infinitely longer in the hands of such people. More importantly. Cake? That's ridiculous! Everyone knows homunculus' only eat cheesecake. Kate PS I think we should end it here otherwise this will be yet another lengthy OT string. I blame Bill.

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] starting kweather?
by Kate Draven 02 Jul '18

02 Jul '18

> On Monday 02 July 2018 04:47:06 Kate Draven wrote: > > > Am Sonntag 01 Juli 2018 schrieb William Morder: > > > > On Sunday 01 July 2018 14:04:31 dep wrote: > > > > > i just installed kwether and, when nothing appeared on the kmenu, all > > > > > of kde toys, which did appear -- but not kweather. nor will it start > > > > > from the command prompt by typing either kweather or > > > > > kweather-trinity. what > > > > am > > > > > > > i doing wrong? > > > > > > > > > > âdep > > > > > > > > Isn't that an app that you can add to the panel? I don't use it, so I > > > > hesitate to make suggestions, and don't want to screw up my own panel > > > > with experiments. However, as I recall, you right-click to unlock the > > > > panel, > > > > the > > > > > > right-click again to add apps. > > > > > > I can confirm that. Right-click on the unlocked kicker panel, choose "Add > > > applet..." and a nice box opens with a list where you should find > > > kweather. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Stefan > > > > You forgot to tell him, he needs to offer the computer chocolate as well. > > > > Kate > > > > > > You are anthropomorphizing your computer, and childishly ascribing to a > machine your own personal likes and dislikes. > > Everybody knows that computers run on Guinnness Extra Stout. > > Bill > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Heretic! The Chocolate Gods will punish you for your hedonism.

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] today's immature bothersome question
by Kate Draven 02 Jul '18

02 Jul '18

> On Mon July 2 2018 03:31:56 Gene Heskett wrote: > > Yes, I can hear system noises before I login. Login and they become muted > > and firefox is silent, until I stop whatever FF is playing and issue the > > alsoctl restore command, which reports a can't do that, system is busy, > > but when I restart FF playing whatever, it then works till the next > > reboot. > > System sounds before login may be happening without ALSA so at the > moment I'm not sure whether ALSA is working before login. > > You could try speaker-test (ALSA white noise generator) to see if > ALSA is working before login (or aplay if you have something playable). > > Let's check that ALSA is set to start automatically. Do you have > > ls -l /etc/*.d/S*alsa* > > You should have a link called something like /etc/rcS.d/S16alsa-utils > to /etc/init.d/alsa-utils. > > --Mike > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- You should also try turning up all the vols. I have a audigy sound blaster. I can play amarok (front) with one vol, but smplayer uses another (center). I spent 10 mins trying to figure out why amarok played but smplayer didn't until I decided to play with the kmix settings. Also install all the alsa related controls. In case there's a mute in there. Good luck, Kate

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starting kweather?
by dep 02 Jul '18

02 Jul '18

i just installed kwether and, when nothing appeared on the kmenu, all of kde toys, which did appear -- but not kweather. nor will it start from the command prompt by typing either kweather or kweather-trinity. what am i doing wrong? dep Sent withProtonMailSecure Email. Because privacy matters.

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btw -- thanks!
by dep 02 Jul '18

02 Jul '18

update just brought the new tde. many thanks to all who worked to make it happer! dep Sent withProtonMailSecure Email. Because privacy matters.

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the continuing drama of tiny computers
by dep 01 Jul '18

01 Jul '18

greets, everybody . . . it occurred to me that some of the immediae scaling issue might be resolved by installing the trinity remix of libreoffice. but, alas, it seems that neither the keyserver nor the repository can be found. has libreoffice-trinity been deprecated? dep Sent withProtonMailSecure Email. Because privacy matters.

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Print OK from MacOS, not from Linux
by Thierry de Coulon 01 Jul '18

01 Jul '18

This certainly is not Trinity related but as this list is full of experienced people... For some time (I *think* since I moved to Debian 9 but not sure) I get smeared outputs of my trusty Laserjets. I have both a 4200 and a 4250 (I prefer to buy second hand, Postscrypt, professional printers to first hand consumer-grade stuff). Not always, tends to happen more when printing double sided and less when the printer has been off a while. I had thought this was old cartridges and I had to survive until I change them, but today I had to print some older stuff that dwells on my old hackintosh and... beautiful print! No problem at all. So. Then it's Linux, not the printers. I'll soon make a test install of the latest openSuSE and see if there is a difference. Both MacOS and Linux using Cups, I'd have thought that standard, Postrcrypt drivers would be the same. Thierry

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more on the font size / dpi issue
by dep 29 Jun '18

29 Jun '18

while continuine the seemingly unending search for a way to make the GPD Pocket work acceptably with TDE, i found a file, /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90-scale, whic seems to address the sacling issue, at least for fonts, on a range of desktops. here are its contents: gsettings set com.ubuntu.user-interface scale-factor "{'DSI-1': 14, 'DSI1': 14}" gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface scaling-factor 2 gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface text-scaling-factor 1 gsettings set org.cinnamon.desktop.interface scaling-factor 2 gsettings set org.cinnamon.desktop.interface text-scaling-factor 1 gsettings set org.mate.font-rendering dpi 168.0 i wonder: is there a line for TDE that would work here to improve things? the scaling of the other desktops is just fine and orks well. alternatively, is there another window manager that might work with TDE and be more amenable to scaling? dep Sent withProtonMailSecure Email. Because privacy matters.

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I may have spoken too soon . . .
by dep 29 Jun '18

29 Jun '18

Last night we had one of our twice- or three-times-weekly electrical blackouts and, while the gadgets are all on uninterruptible power supplies I shut them down before the juice was gone from the backups. When this morning I rebooted the GPD Pocket, it went to the TDM login screen, where the spaces for entering username and password were small but the fonts for typing them in were huge. Nevertheless, I was able to log in and, instead of the pristine TDE desktop I'd enjoyed at shutdown, I had one where Kicker and so on were the size I had set, but again the fonts -- in the calendar, in names below icons, and in menus, were enormous. My sense is that something upstream of TDM is doing this. The Ubuntu install defaults to Unity and lightdm. When I installed the two big TDE packages I set TDM as the default. But of course I'd had to run Unity in order to install TDE. My first thought is to purge Unity and lightdm, but it might be that this won't solve the problem, and that someone here who is familiar with the macinations of X and such might have a sense of where there's a configuration file that is causing this to happen. Anybody know? Thanks. dep Sent withProtonMailSecure Email. Because privacy matters.

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config question: getting rid of the pager
by dep 29 Jun '18

29 Jun '18

this one is maybe easier than setting display size . . . i only keep one desktop, so the pager is superfluous. also, i don't like it. i've managed to be rid of it on my other machines, but looking through the tiny little entries in trinity control center, i can't find where to uncheck it. anybody know? dep Sent withProtonMailSecure Email. Because privacy matters.

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Re: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
by Kate Draven 28 Jun '18

28 Jun '18

> Just got a Brother printer-scanner-copier-fax combo, model is MFC-495CW, so if > anybody has comments or recommendations from experience, I am all ears. > > Here is my model: > > https://support.brother.com/g/b/spec.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfc495cw_all > > I don't have a lot of money to spend (much less to waste) on printer > cartridges, for example. (A couple years ago I bought a 12-pack of HP > cartridges for my old HP 825c, but before I could actually use them, the ink > dried up! I don't want to go through that again.) > > I managed to download the drivers for Debian, the product manual, researched > everything I could think of, but now it comes to spending my last few bucks > (literally) on the second-most expensive substance* known in human history, > so I hesitate before using my debit card. > > [* laser toner refills are more expensive than refills for inkjet] > > Brother, of course, "strongly recommends" not to use third-party, or > refillable cartridges, etc., but I don't have a warranty, anyway, as I got > this thing used. > > Has anybody else tried the third-party replacement cartridges or refillables? > > I'll have more questions about set-up, I'm sure, once I get my cartridges. > Everything seems to work fine, except for no ink. > > Bill > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- My experience with brother is they are well supported under linux and print/scan well. HOWEVER (insert shocking and dramatic music here), they go through inkjet cartridges like mad. A laser printer is always better because, whilst the cartridges are more expensive, they last longer and print more. I have an HP 1320N printer. I bought 2 ink cartridges 7 years ago. The first one lasted 5 years. The second one is on it's 2nd year. I print at least every other day. I also have a Brother mfc-j615w. Another network printer. It's great, HOWEVER (insert even more shocking and dramatic music here) the new ink carts only lasted a week. They sell them cheap in bulk but I would have to buy about about $100 worth to last a few months. I will never buy an inkjet (most inkjets I have were $1 purchased at yard sales or were given to me). I would rather save up and get a laser jet. Better overall investment. I don't know if that helps but that is my experience. (Kate hops off her soapbox, bows, turns and disappears into the mysterious fog)

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kate can't find gcode.xml
by Gene Heskett 28 Jun '18

28 Jun '18

Greetings all; I find that despite having gcode.xml installed at /opt/trinity/share/apps/katepart/syntax/gcode.xml neither kate nor kwrite can find it, as in offer it as a choice in the menu's. geany doesn't have that either so I am used to looking at gcode as plain text. Whats next? The idea does sound helpfull if only to highlight the typu's these ancient fingers can make. OTOH, I find kate takes around 20 seconds of standing on the down arrow key to get to the bottom of a 250 LOC .ngc file. Compared to geany, thats un-acceptably slow. It also apparently can't save the users prefs, so every new session has to be reconfigured to enable such as line numbers. geany remembers all that from session to session. I guess you know which one I'll use in day to day gcode composition. -- Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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grand ~/ repository of trinity configurations?
by dep 28 Jun '18

28 Jun '18

today's question to which i should already have the answer but it's been a long time . . . rathet than continue to struggle through trying to configure everything on the little pocket machine, seems worthwhile to copy the configuration files from my notebook machine to the new one. in the kde days i would have known where to go to harvest these, but i've not done this, i think, with trinity. and i've done al the reinstalls i feel like doing for awhile. so -- is there a grand directory of trinity configurations beyond ~/.trinity? thanks. dep Sent withProtonMailSecure Email. Because privacy matters.

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
by Kate Draven 27 Jun '18

27 Jun '18

I don't know where you are Bill, but I do have spare hp laser printer (BW only) that I can give you if you are within mailing reach. I'd have to see how much it would cost me to send them out. I'm currently in the Northern American (Nu Joisey as they say). Cheers lad, Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
by Kate Draven 27 Jun '18

27 Jun '18

> On Wednesday 27 June 2018 10:23:02 Dan Youngquist wrote: > > On 06/27/2018 09:53 AM, William Morder wrote: > > > I don't have a lot of money to spend (much less to waste) on printer > > > cartridges, for example. (A couple years ago I bought a 12-pack of HP > > > cartridges for my old HP 825c, but before I could actually use them, the > > > ink dried up! I don't want to go through that again.) > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > [* laser toner refills are more expensive than refills for inkjet] > > > > My laser printers print for about $0.02 per page, including paper. What > > does the cheapest inkjet cost per page? And what does it cost per page if > > the ink dries up before you use it? Toner will still be just fine in 10 or > > 20 years if you haven't used it yet, whether in or out of the printer. > > > > If you want to save money on printing, get a laser printer. > > > > When one has literally no money to spend, one must make do with what is > available. I hear what everybody is saying about laser printers, but that is > not an option. > > There are refillable cartridges, and refill bottles. I doubt that they can dry > up. My old HP cartridges dried up because they sat in a storage space for a > couple years. These won't dry up (at least, not so fast), because I will use > them now. > > I'm only asking if anybody else has tried these refillables. I don't want > advice that I *ought* to buy a laser printer, when I cannot do so. > > Bill > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Aye, I've refilled cartridges and they worked well, but that was on older inkjets. If you have a modern inkjet. You may not be able to do that. The sensors in the carrage will see something is off and reject them. You can try but there's a good chance you are wasting your money. Sorry, I wish I had better news. Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Extract and Compress Missing - Solved by "Marley And Marley"
by Kate Draven 27 Jun '18

27 Jun '18

> Hi Kate, > > On Tuesday 26 June 2018 22:36:41 Kate Draven wrote: > > My heroes Steve and Stefan (hmmm the same names) > > > > Ok I did have trinity-ark installed but Stefan was right, the > > plugins where, infact, contained in "trinity-konq-plugins". After > > running it, still didn't show up, so I follow Steve's idea (hmm) > > and there it was. In Ark, all the plugins are in the same packages. > > Made it easier. > > > > Thanks for all the suggestions. I've added them to my dbase of > > knowledge (I litterally do copy and paste everything I get from > > here into a knowit file and LO doc for later printing.) > > > > Thanks everyone, thanks Stefan and Steve (hence forth "Marley And > > Marley") For all the help. > > > > I am reminded of a little know FUD campaign by MS. "Linux will > > never make it because there are no software programs for it and it > > doesn't have any support whatsoever." Not the exact quote and I > > can't remember who said. > > > > Kate > > > > I really shouldn't have watched the muppets for background noise. > > Poor Stefan and Steve. > > I remember that 640K memory should be enough for anybody ! > But before that "No more than three computers should be enough..." > How times change :-) > Best Regards: > Baron > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh my goodness. I remember that. Bill Gates. Cheers Baron

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: Extract and Compress servicmenus missing from Konq
by Kate Draven 27 Jun '18

27 Jun '18

> Kate Draven wrote: > > > Any help is appreciated. There's mental chocolate in it for everyone. > > strange - they should be available via some application - is ark installed. > > just guessing here > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- My guess exactly. Ark. trinity-ark is installed but no joy. I'll have to compare the old and new isos. Thanks for the guess, anything is appreciated. Kate

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[tentative] success!
by dep 26 Jun '18

26 Jun '18

there's a world of configuration to do yet (font sizes are all over the place, for instance), but at this moment i have ttinity desktop environment running usefully on the gpd pocket computer, and everything i have tried works! this may be a first, though that could be because i'm the only one on the list foolish enough to try it. dep Sent withProtonMailSecure Email. Because privacy matters.

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taking trinity to new frontiers
by dep 26 Jun '18

26 Jun '18

so. the people at amazon say it will be friday before my new power supply arrives, and i'm still on the X200 that won't connect its wireless. (new developments: neither network-manager nor wicd will recognize the wireless chip, but if i uninstall network-manager the little wifi LED goes out, so it seems to be getting closer. but in that my desktop machine isn't working, i can use the space its keyboard occupied to place the X200 and plug it in via a nice, normal cat5 cable, which is how i can send this note.) you would think that after being hammered by the supreme court last week amazon would be trying extra hard for my business rather than taking a frigging week to get me my power supply. perhaps soon there will be a computer store on every block, like there was 30 years ago. but i digress.) the gemini project continues apace; the people at planet computing were in my estimation lying when they said it was an android/linux device. it is a medocre googledroid phone with a keyboard that through extensive hacking may me made to prove that linux isn't all that useful on such a device. when it was offered, i and others thought that this meant they had worked out the bugs. they hadn't, they haven't now, and they never will have -- the people working on it are all volunteers, working hard and well for free. i hope that the essential features come to work aceptably well before everybody says the hell with it, but i have little confidence in that outcome. which brings us to the subject of this note. in the other room, attached to its charger, is a bright new GPD Pocket. it is gorgeous. it looks as if i didn't read the tag and put my macbook into the dryer and it shrank. it is twice the size of the gemini but a hundred times the computer in many respects. it does not have an eight-core SoC like the gemini does (though i think that at least half those cores are to report back to mediatek, google, and Gok who else). but it does have a nice intel x86 chip, and in a bit i shall be backing up the win10 that came on it and installing instead ubuntu 17.10 with the unity desktop. this is because a version of that tuned to the Pocket is available for download, and most everything works right out of the tin. when i fired it up the thing booted to windows 10 and that screeching harridan "cortana" began issuing demands. (leave it to microsoft -- they can't even spell cortina correctly; a terrible car, but it was also my first car, a 1965 four-speed that i got in 1969, not knowing that cortinas had only about four and one-half years of use in them, and i loved it anyway.) i disabled cortina, misspelled, at the first opportunity. it's now on the charger, because things are about to get pretty delicate. i have to reflash the bios. the initial one was crippled. (though, come to think of it, i might check first to see if maybe they're shipping the updated version, which would be nice and might be possible: we're not talking planet computers here.) anyway, it is my (probably vastly inflated) expectation to have linux working on the Pocket by evening's end, after which the next and most important task will be getting the trinity desktop up and running on it. so now, finally, a couple of questions: actually, one: will it work? the Pocket has a touchscreen but it also has a nice, thinkpad-style trackpoint, so if the touchscreen doesn't work at all it will be at the very most a minor inconvenience -- i'm typing away here on the thinkpad and never does it cross my mind to poke at the screen with my fingers. i've installed TDE on other atom-powered devics uneventfully. anyone know of things to watch out for? (if i get it all working, next project will be to acquire and attach a cheap 4G dongle, whereupon i will have achieved what i was hoping for with the gemini, only on a robustly-built device big enough to use.) think it will all work? dep Sent withProtonMailSecure Email. Because privacy matters.

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probably obvious kmail question
by dep 26 Jun '18

26 Jun '18

on my temporarily defunct desktop machine i've set things up to send a bcc of my outgoing mail to my archive machine. i need to do this on the new machine but for the life of me i can't find where i can do it. anybody know? dep Sent withProtonMailSecure Email. Because privacy matters.

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: remove lock session from menu?
by Kate Draven 26 Jun '18

26 Jun '18

> On Monday 25 June 2018 21:30:31 Kate Draven wrote: > > > On Monday 25 June 2018 14:15:18 J Leslie Turriff wrote: > > > > On 2018-06-25 01:08:32 William Morder wrote: > > > > > I can't imagine that I am 100 years old, but I can imagine that I am > > > > > 60, and have already begun to feel the ravages of time on my body. It > > > > > also > > > > is > > > > > > > a pain to use computer screens that are designed by and for young > > > > people. > > > > > > One of the reasons I'm not using KDE4/Plasma is that there are no > > > > HiColor icons available there (AFAIK), just the wishy-washy pastel ones > > > > that imitate Windoze. Their contrast is so poor it's hard for me to > > > > distinguish > > > > > > one icon from another in many cases. As you say, today's desktops are > > > > designed for young people, by young people, and the limitations due to > > > > aging or other disabilities are not thought of, while they seem to be > > > > concentrating on eye-candy instead of functionality. > > > > > > > > Leslie > > > > > > Old people have less disposable income, so there's no reason to waste > > > time designing systems for them to use when they can't afford them > > > anyway. Also, old people tend to die sooner than young people, so it's a > > > shrinking market. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Only fools count the marginalized out. > > > > Kate > > AKA Konfucius > > > > "... my super-dainty Kate - > For dainties are all Kates -" > (or thus quoth another bloke named William) > > Bill > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- LOL you're alright mate, and a mighty poet. Me great grandmother always said the above to encourage me. I was a wee child (and adult now) so everyone always assumed I was incapable. They were wrong lol. Most of the people I have using Linux are over the age of 60. About, hmm, 40 something people. Then about a dozen kids. It's because of the high numbers of pensioners that I'm trying to get qtcurve to use background images like the brushed metal of baghira. The background doesn't blend in with the colours, making it easier for them to see differences. I feel they are worth the effort, despite how much they've shrunk. But this is all off topice so I'll end it here. Back to business lads and lasses. Cheers William of The Poets Kate

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Extract and Compress servicmenus missing from Konq
by Kate Draven 26 Jun '18

26 Jun '18

Hi people, Trying a new iso, boots fantastically fast, very smooth, no complaints. However, as the subject states, extract & compress are missing from konq's right click menu. Does anyone know where those servicemenus are located in the file sys. I can grab them from older iso and install them there. I have already check the usual suspects /opt/trinity/share/apps/konq/servicmenus and the like. Nothing. Any help is appreciated. There's mental chocolate in it for everyone. Kate

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[trinity-users] remove lock session from menu?
by Felix Miata 26 Jun '18

26 Jun '18

Can it be done? If so, how? I never lock session on purpose. It's extremely irritating that it's placed there at all, much less right on top of log out. I try to log out, I put the pointer over log out, I click, and half the time the pointer moves as I click to selecting lock session instead of log out. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: remove lock session from menu?
by Kate Draven 26 Jun '18

26 Jun '18

> On Monday 25 June 2018 14:15:18 J Leslie Turriff wrote: > > On 2018-06-25 01:08:32 William Morder wrote: > > > I can't imagine that I am 100 years old, but I can imagine that I am 60, > > > and have already begun to feel the ravages of time on my body. It also is > > > a pain to use computer screens that are designed by and for young people. > > > > One of the reasons I'm not using KDE4/Plasma is that there are no HiColor > > icons available there (AFAIK), just the wishy-washy pastel ones that > > imitate Windoze. Their contrast is so poor it's hard for me to distinguish > > one icon from another in many cases. As you say, today's desktops are > > designed for young people, by young people, and the limitations due to > > aging or other disabilities are not thought of, while they seem to be > > concentrating on eye-candy instead of functionality. > > > > Leslie > > > Old people have less disposable income, so there's no reason to waste time > designing systems for them to use when they can't afford them anyway. Also, > old people tend to die sooner than young people, so it's a shrinking market. > > Bill > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Only fools count the marginalized out. Kate AKA Konfucius

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write to disk errors.
by Gene Heskett 25 Jun '18

25 Jun '18

Greetings; One of the things I miss most is "focus follows mouse", but I've not found a place in the trinity-control-center to turn this on. Is such a function available, and if so, where do I enable it? Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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can't install TDE on stretch, no release file in any tde repo for stretch
by Gene Heskett 24 Jun '18

24 Jun '18

So I tried setting it back to jessie, but all that got me was a sea of red or outright refusal to even mark it for install. Stretch has been out for quite a while, so whats the magic potion folks? -- Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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ubuntu 16 livecd
by Uwe Brauer 24 Jun '18

24 Jun '18

Hi Any plans when a ubuntu 16 livecd will be released. For the moment I only can find a slightly outdated ubuntu 14 livecd in http://kuiper.mirrorservice.org/sites/trinitydesktop.org/trinity/cdimages/u… Thanks Uwe Brauer

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restoring my thinkpad X200 to life
by dep 24 Jun '18

24 Jun '18

what a week. on thursday my corsair hx750 power supply up and died stone dead. i do not suppose i can blame it -- the power system here is awful, with frequent blackouts, generally preceded by a half dozen off-on cycles in quick succession. i have a biggish UPS between the mains power and the computer, but still . . . so until the replacement arrives -- remember when there was a computer store on every block? -- i am on my previously reliable thinkpad X200, which got a little flaky when i upgraded it to debian stretch a few weeks ago. i now have most everything working, the exception being wireless. the nice little switch on the side of the machine is turned on, but no light on the wifi led and wicd reports no wifi signals, though there is certainly a wifi signal,from a router about 3 feet away that every other gadget in the house recognizes just fine. lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net reports: 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10f5] (rev 03) Subsystem: Lenovo 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection [17aa:20ee] Kernel driver in use: e1000e Kernel modules: e1000e -- 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5350 AGN [Echo Peak] Network Connection [8086:423b] Subsystem: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5350 AGN [Echo Peak] Network Connection [8086:1011] Kernel modules: iwlwifi 04:00.0 Memory controller [0580]: Intel Corporation Turbo Memory Controller [8086:444e] (rev 11) i suspect that i'm missing something really obvious. for lo, these many years, the thing just worked. now it doesn't. wired network works just fine. dep Sent withProtonMailSecure Email. Because privacy matters.

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] network problems in Devuan Jessie-Beowulf merged
by Kate Draven 23 Jun '18

23 Jun '18

> On Thursday 21 June 2018 12:20:21 SlÃ¡vek Banko wrote: > > On Thursday 21 of June 2018 11:35:47 William Morder wrote: > > > On Wed June 20 2018 07:23:07 William Morder wrote: > > > > I recently migrated from Debian Jessie to the Devuan Jessie-Beowulf > > > > merged version. My problem is, now I cannot turn off my network, nor > > > > control the connection at all. I was using the network-manager-tde > > > > package, which has always worked just fine for me. I've tried all the > > > > other network managers, and don't like how they behave. In > > > > particular, I want to set my network so that it never connects > > > > automatically, and will only connect manually. > > > > > > Devuan Jessie works well but is based on Debian Jessie which is moving > > > into LTS. > > > > > > Devuan Ascii works well and is based on Debian Stretch and is well > > > supported. > > > > > > Devuan Beowulf is in development based on Debian Buster in development. > > > > > > I don't know what you mean by "Devuan Jessie-Beowulf merged version". > > > I would not recommend Jessie as it is moving to LTS. I would not > > > recommend Beowulf at this time except to bleeding edge users who are > > > comfortable fixing any problems they might encounter. I would suggest > > > you start with a working Devuan Ascii before thinking about TDE PSB. > > > > > > --Mike > > > > > > Sorry, that's totally my mistake. > > > > > > I've been running Debian for about a year now, but I've only been > > > running Devuan for about a week. I am not familiar with what Devuan > > > names correspond to the naming in Debian. I know that Devuan Ascii > > > corresponds to Debian Stretch, and somewhere I thought I remembered > > > that Beowulf corresponded to Jessie. Apparently they did not change the > > > name for Jessie? > > > > > > At the time I was only sporadically online, had no list at hand to > > > check, and no browsers installed so that I could look it up online. > > > > > > In any case, I believe I have solved my network issues (or at least > > > found a workaround). There are some deeper issues that I will bring up > > > in another thread. > > > > > > Bill > > > > For Devuan Jessie, the name was identical to Debian, but with another > > meaning - it means minor planet Jessie (nr.10464). > > > > https://devuan.org/os/releases > > https://minorplanetcenter.net/iau/lists/MPNames.html > > > > Cheers > > A-ha! Slavek enlightens us all. > > Bill > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- "A-ha! Slavek enlightens us all." Slavek = Gnu Yoda Kate

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kdesktop error
by Oleg Levenets 22 Jun '18

22 Jun '18

Hi, I'm getting a kdesktop boot error from time to time on my system: https://paste.ee/p/rfxYv I compile the tqt3 package with the options -pipe -g -ggdb3 -Og -fvisibility = hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden, unfortunately when I use the -O0 option this error does not manifest itself. Maybe you need some more technical data to solve my problem? best regards, Oleg Levenets.

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] home and desktop are the same
by Kate Draven 22 Jun '18

22 Jun '18

> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 23:09:19 +0200 > Thierry de Coulon <tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch> wrote: > > > I 've decided to create a new user restricted to special use. I created > > this user with kuser. > > > > Works well, I can log to it but... there is no "Desktop" folder, > > rather /home/<new user> *is* the desktop folder. > > > > With the result that any /home/<folder> shows on the desktop. I guess > > there must be a way and a place to tell TDE to use /home/desktop but I > > have not found it yet. > > ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs > > > -- > Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- You can also use kcontrol. kcontrol > System Administration > Paths You will have to create the "Desktop" dir. Cheers, Kate

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home and desktop are the same
by Thierry de Coulon 22 Jun '18

22 Jun '18

I 've decided to create a new user restricted to special use. I created this user with kuser. Works well, I can log to it but... there is no "Desktop" folder, rather /home/<new user> *is* the desktop folder. With the result that any /home/<folder> shows on the desktop. I guess there must be a way and a place to tell TDE to use /home/desktop but I have not found it yet. Thierry

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Re: [trinity-users] network problems in Devuan Jessie-Beowulf merged
by William Morder 22 Jun '18

22 Jun '18

On Wed June 20 2018 07:23:07 William Morder wrote: > I recently migrated from Debian Jessie to the Devuan Jessie-Beowulf merged > version. My problem is, now I cannot turn off my network, nor control the > connection at all. I was using the network-manager-tde package, which has > always worked just fine for me. I've tried all the other network managers, > and don't like how they behave. In particular, I want to set my network so > that it never connects automatically, and will only connect manually. Devuan Jessie works well but is based on Debian Jessie which is moving into LTS. Devuan Ascii works well and is based on Debian Stretch and is well supported. Devuan Beowulf is in development based on Debian Buster in development. I don't know what you mean by "Devuan Jessie-Beowulf merged version". I would not recommend Jessie as it is moving to LTS. I would not recommend Beowulf at this time except to bleeding edge users who are comfortable fixing any problems they might encounter. I would suggest you start with a working Devuan Ascii before thinking about TDE PSB. --Mike Sorry, that's totally my mistake. I've been running Debian for about a year now, but I've only been running Devuan for about a week. I am not familiar with what Devuan names correspond to the naming in Debian. I know that Devuan Ascii corresponds to Debian Stretch, and somewhere I thought I remembered that Beowulf corresponded to Jessie. Apparently they did not change the name for Jessie? At the time I was only sporadically online, had no list at hand to check, and no browsers installed so that I could look it up online. In any case, I believe I have solved my network issues (or at least found a workaround). There are some deeper issues that I will bring up in another thread. Bill

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got a puzzle
by Gene Heskett 21 Jun '18

21 Jun '18

Greetings all; I ran synaptic-pkexec this morning and got some non-sensical errors. Shut it down, and looked in /etc/apt, and found all my sources.lists had been replaced by something pointing at stevenpusser at opensusi.org. And all the changes were dated this morning. Now, I have no clue who the hell steven pusser is, but there sure as hell isn't anything on this system, an i386 wheezy install, from opensusi.org that I know about. And its all owned by root. So even after I've restored the .saved versions of everything, the .saved weren't exactly correct since the trinity entry was pointed at cz, which I was told last week was a deprecated address. So among other things I need to restore is my deb line for the trinity repo. Never having run kpackage-trinity, I thought I's see what it looked like, it was showing as installed but its not in any of the TDE menu's. And can't be found by me or root. All of this mucking with my sources list was apparently done by synaptic-pkexec. Its all datestamped today at 5:40AM locale time, which is when I tried to run synaptic-pkexe. And I can find no "arch" reference anyplace. It should be i386 for this machine. Call me puzzled. Or worse. -- Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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How to stop screen/session lock?
by Jimmy Johnson 21 Jun '18

21 Jun '18

I use my laptop for multimedia connected to external screen and run it with the lid closed, well when I close the lid the screen locks and I have to plug a external keyboard in to type the password, what a pain and it would help a lot if I can turn off screen session lock. Anybody know how to turn it off? Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 21 Jun '18

21 Jun '18

> Sorry to disappear without a word again. I've been having network issues that > don't make sense - seemingly out of the blue. But I'll discuss this in its > own thread. > > Coffee is the first of the four food groups, the foundation of a geeky diet. > > Bill > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry to hear about your networking problems. Hopefully you don't have comcast or any of it's sub companies. I'm hearing terrible things from those who use them here. Now, onto the important stuff. I completely disagree with you on coffee being the first item in the food group. It's clearly chocolate. I feel better, Kate

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on-topic: sorting out a crash
by dep 20 Jun '18

20 Jun '18

just tried to fire up gparted to see if i can use it to resurrect some USB sticks. it has always required me to start it from the commandline, even though i have the box checked to prompt me for my password. anyway, at the commandline it now throws this error: [kcrash] TDECrash: Application 'gpartedbin-gtk-tqt-application' crashing... any guesses? dep Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because privacy matters.

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and the backtrace says
by dep 20 Jun '18

20 Jun '18

gpartedbin-gtk-tqt-application: No such file or directory. [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] Using host libthread_db library "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libthread_db.so.1". 84 ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S: No such file or directory. i just realized that this is probably the first time i tried to run gparted since the "upgrade" to ubuntu 16.04. any idea what packages i'm missing here? i have gpartedbin -- /usr/sbin/gpartedbin -- but nothing with gtk or tqt modifiers. dep Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because privacy matters.

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 20 Jun '18

20 Jun '18

> This post got me thinking. since Konqui the dragon is the KDE community's > animal mascot, has anyone given thought to Trinity DE having an animal > mascot? I nominate Corvus Corax (raven). I did get to eat alligator once, > but it was such a small piece, I didn't notice anything distinct about it. > It may very well taste like chicken, but I can't say for sure unless I get > a chance to eat a larger amount someday. Cheers > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > On Sunday 10 June 2018 20:36:31 dep wrote: > > > weird. as i was reading this just now, alton brown on "good eats" was > > > speculating whether dinosaurs would have tasted like chicken. and no, i > > am > > > not making this up. the episode is entitled "a bird in the pan," and the > > > discussion is about three minutes in. amazing coincidence. > > > > > > dep > > > > Now that is funny! I am just riffing off the top of my head. I didn't see > > the > > show, and only vaguely know it. I watch a several cooking shows, but > > that's > > not one of them. > > > > Don't they say that the crocodilians (including alligators, caimans, etc.) > > are > > basically living fossils, that haven't changed much since the time of > > dinosaurs, except to get smaller on the whole? There are people, I know, > > who > > have eaten them, so maybe there is a clue. > > > > *SNIP* > > > > > > > > > This reminds me of a DOS game I bought (for I think $5 at a > > > > computer > > > show) back in the late 1980s. It had a small install > > > > routine that > > > copied the program to the hard drive and overwrote > > > > autoexec.bat with > > > the name of the executable file. In those days > > > > autoexec.bat could > > > run to a couple of pages, with us all trying > > to > > > > make our machines a > > > little faster and getting use of memory above > > > > 640k, which was a > > > delicate thing. To say nothing of the TSR > > > > programs many of us ran. > > > Setting comspec right after we copied > > > > command.com to a RAM drive. > > > That kind of thing. So autoexec.bat > > was > > > > a nontrivial thing, and > > > turning a well-tuned machine into a > > > > single-game console was > > > troublesome. > > > > I swear, this > > mailing > > > > list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place > > where dinosaurs still > > > > roam the earth. > > > > Bill > > They still roam the earth, Bill, > > except > > > > now we call them birds. :) I wonder if they tasted like chicken or > > > > turkey, or more gamey like pheasant? Bill > > > > And here I was, ready to pounce on the first person who was itching for a > > fight, who would try to say that mythological dragons, for instance, were > > some kind of dim memory of dinosaurs, or creative attempts to explain > > dinosaur fossils. > > > > Yes, in fact I do know that many dinosaurs (we now discover) had feathers. > > Also, humans and dinosaurs were never* living at the same time. > > > > [* At least, "never", as far as current science know. But then we also > > used to > > say that Homo sapiens never interbred with other humans, such as > > Neanderthals; and we now know that they did, and that all non-Africans > > (Europeans and Asians, mostly) have some Neanderthal genes; and that > > Neanderthals often had red hair.] > > > > Most attempts to explain mythological dragons by the backwards logic of > > referring to dinosaurs are, we find, unconsciously influenced by later > > literature - mostly science fiction and fantasy. Again, since humans were > > never around at the same time as dinosaurs, they could have no memory of > > them > > to feel the need to explain them away; and enormous dinosaur fossils, when > > they were discovered, were usually thought to be the bones of the Giants > > (that is, the Titans of Greek myth, the Vanir of Norse myth, and so on). > > > > Mythological dragons are altogether different; but if I go there, we will > > need > > to start not just a new thread, but a separate forum! > > > > It will be interesting, if we all survive long enough to witness such > > events, > > whether we can actually succeed in cloning and resurrecting extinct > > species > > from their recovered DNA. I don't know about dinosaurs as such; but I > > think > > it would be great to have woolly mammoths and some other species. And dodo > > birds would make an excellent food source, it seems. > > > > When the human race is forced to evacuate the wasteland of our future > > earth, > > and a lucky few will get to colonize other planets, maybe we can take some > > of > > our animals with us. > > > > Bill > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Platypus, an impossible creature. Many said TDE would be dead within a year. Now, it's gaining ground to the point, I think, that some are nervous. Kate The Platypus Wrangler. PS it would be a Borg Platypus of course.

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs & dragons
by Kate Draven 20 Jun '18

20 Jun '18

> On Monday 18 June 2018 00:26:52 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > On 06/12/2018 09:33 PM, elcaseti wrote: > > > This post got me thinking. since Konqui the dragon is the KDE > > > community's animal mascot, has anyone given thought to Trinity DE having > > > an animal mascot? I nominate Corvus Corax (raven). I did get to eat > > > alligator once, but it was such a small piece, I didn't notice anything > > > distinct about it. It may very well taste like chicken, but I can't say > > > for sure unless I get a chance to eat a larger amount someday. Cheers > > > > No, gator does not taste like chicken, can be used as a replacement. > > Also some say snake, rabbit and squirrel taste like chicken, nope. And > > crawdad taste like crawdad. Any one of them can be used in soup, salad, > > etc. Now if you want to talk about bear, it's best cooked outside the > > house. And taste like bear and I can not compare bear to anything that > > I've eaten. :) Somebody mentioned pheasant, with wild rice stuffing is > > freaking great, I say better than chicken or turkey, if you get a chance > > give pheasant a try. > > > > I've eaten great vegan too. What I call great vegan is where you sit > > and eat great tasting food without realizing you're eating vegan. :) > > > > Cheers! > > I tasted all the others, but not alligator. (Anyway, alligators are an > endangered species, am I right? so I can live without trying it.) I also > lived in a hippie commune for a few years, where everybody was "officially" > vegetarian; which taught me how to get the most nutrition and good taste out > of a meat-free diet, as well as how to combine foods to supply enough > protein. (Read that book, *Diet for a Small Planet*, by Frances Moore Lappe.) > > What nobody knows about vegetarians, though, is that most of them are not > really very strict about it, and they sneak meat into their diet at every > opportunity. > > Bill > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been a vegetarians since birth, I have never eaten animals. That's just something carnivore say to make themselves feel better. Kate Hmm wait, do politicians count as animals?

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got a puzzle OT - The last chapter
by Kate Draven 20 Jun '18

20 Jun '18

Now then lads, it's time to come to a full stop. Tomorrow it's back to the business of building the world's greatest GUI. Now off to bed with the lot of you! Gn to all Kate > I did not answer at first because I think everyone is free to believe or no= > t,=20 > but this time too much is simply wrong. > > On Wednesday 20 June 2018 02.31:18 Felix Miata wrote: > > It's not a versus. Evolution IS a religion: > > It's definitely *not* > > > http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=3Dt > > ... > > 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed > > upon by a number of persons or sects:... > > > > "Evolution", as taught, is not subject to proof. > > This is wrong. Just as some may kill member of other religions although the= > irs=20 > tell them not to, I can't make sure that there are not some who "teach"=20 > evolution as a religion, but evolution is a *theory*, that itself has evolv= > ed=20 > once first proposed. It has evolved because scientific evidence has showed= > =20 > that proposed explanations did not fit to facts > > > As taught it's all based=20 > > on theories, aka beliefs.=20 > > Wrong again. A theory is driven by *facts*. It's a model that needs to be=20 > modified if it's not able to explain new facts that are discoverd.=20 > > > Micro-evolution is without question real and=20 > > provable, but micro-evolution is not taught as distinguishable from the > > other 6 types of unprovable evolution, such as that which says dinosaurs > > and man did not coexist. > > This simply comes from the fact that datation methods (which by the way use= > =20 > the same physics that are used in CERN to improve another model, which trie= > s=20 > to explain how matter is made) show that dinosaurs disappeared 65 millions= > =20 > years ago while man in its modern form is some two million years old. > > That's as if you said it is unprovable that I could not meet Darwin. > > > Technically, it's arguably true that dinosaurs=20 > > didn't, because "dinosaur" is a word originally created during the 19th > > century. Before then, the creatures since referred to as dinosaurs were > > called dragons, and there has been found much art on the walls of caves a= > nd > > elsewhere created many tens of centuries ago that indicate man was > > interacting with living dragons. > > =46rom which not a single bone has ever been found. My daughter draws a lot= > =20 > of "animals" that have never existed, and never will exit. (I admit she doe= > s=20 > not draw on a cave). > > > > then I think (or maybe, I believe) that we need to start > > > another thread, if not indeed a separate forum, list, or whatever. > > True. I doubt TDE will ever "evolve" to clear this sort of things :) > > > One of my reasons to reply was to highlight the unending inane off-topic > > threads about coffee, chocolate & dinosaurs polluting this list and its > > archive. If dinosaurs are OK, then anything should go. I'd like to see OT > > stuff keep to a minimum or less. > > =2D-=20 > Prie Dieu mais continue de nager vers le rivage. > (proverbe russe) > > Pray to God but continue to swim to the shore. > (Russian proverb) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net > For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net > Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ > Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting > >

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: got a puzzle OT
by Kate Draven 20 Jun '18

20 Jun '18

> Kate Draven wrote: > > > The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the "Deity" of the "religion" known as > > "The Pastafarians". > > > > More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster > > > > The Line "Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti > > again!" is just me. > > > > All hail TFSM creator of chocolate. > > The good thing is that atheists are statistically loosing ground. To be > honest both sides do know nothing about our origins, but the religious are > at least not as pathetic as the modern ideologies or parodies. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- It was the union between the Great Potato and the FSM that gave birth to humanity. They should have used protection. There, mystery solved. Kate PS... this thread is living proof we are all mad.

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 20 Jun '18

20 Jun '18

> > chocolate is coffee for children. > > > > dep no soup for you! Kate

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qtcurve
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

I was hoping to modify this qtcurve pack to work with tde. I know the item in question is "[KWin]" but now sure that the TDE equivalent would be [TWin]? I don't see anything else that needs changing. Am I wrong? If this works, this puts an end to my elderly pro bono people (mostly the elderly with visual impairments) who keep nagging me about replacing baghira or getting baghira itself to work. Baghira currently crashes most tde apps like konq and kompose for example. Any help would be appreciated. Well GN to all, May the FSM spread it's noodley (noodlie, noodelly? ugh) blessings upon you! Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] got a puzzle OT
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On Sunday 17 June 2018 20:52:34 Felix Miata wrote: > > Gene Heskett composed on 2018-06-10 23:25 (UTC-0400): > > > William Morder wrote: > > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > > >>> William Morder wrote: > > >>>> I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place > > >>>> where dinosaurs still roam the earth. > > >>>> > > >> > They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :) > > >> > > >> I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like > > >> pheasant? > > > > > > I'd have to say that mere mortals like us will never know. Ostrich > > > maybe?, its pretty ancient. > > > > > > Evolution has changed almost everything on this planet in the last 70 > > > million years, including us. > > > > "Evolution" as taught in public schools and universities is 6/7 religion, > > 1/7 science. http://www.ep.tc/problems/59/ is a relatively short 1974 comic > > that explains without fractions. > > > > Evolution as taught has 7 meanings, only one of which is proven science. > > The rest is entirely based on faith in various theories that have not been > > and almost certainly will not ever be proven. More at http://www.icr.org/ > > and elsewhere. > > I believe it's fine for us to express our opinions on subjects about which we > disagree in our individual ways. However, if we start to debate evolution > versus religion, then I think (or maybe, I believe) that we need to start > another thread, if not indeed a separate forum, list, or whatever. > > As I mentioned in an earlier post, we're all here for the same reason: that > amorphous THAT (which is TDE, Linux, free software, etc.), and I hope that > our common interest in THAT doesn't get derailed by disputes. > > Anyway, I am comfortable with my own beliefs, and do not feel the need to > bring enlightenment to others (unless of course they beg me to teach them, > and offer YUGE sums of cold hard cash). > > Bill > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- There are only 7 subject I will freely discuss. Chocolate FOSS Sci Fi animals Kids (noisier animals) Pizza Chocolate Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Disabling USB hard drive auto mount
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On 06/11/2018 01:28 AM, Kate Draven wrote: > > Hi people (and others) > > > > I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out how to disable the auto mount > > function for usb hard drives. > > > > Every time I connect a HD via a usb HD dock. It auto mounts the drive. > > > > Is there anyway to stop this? I think it's udisksd or something. Google was > > useless regarding how to disable it. > > > > I'm asking PCLinuxOS people but I expect I'll get an answer here faster. > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Kate > > > Hi Kate, you can write your drive to /etc/fstab using noauto. > > If you want to add it to fstab and need some help let us know the dev > name or uuid, file system type and where you want to mount it, I use > /home/jimmy/sdb1 or it could be /mount/sdb1 or /media/sdb1. Here's a > example of how I handle sdb1 on this desktop. > > '/dev/sdb1 /home/jimmy/01-SDB1 ext4 noauto,users,exec,relatime 0 0' > > But what you're seeing seems to be a PC Linux OS thing and is not the > behavior of devuan or debian. > -- > Jimmy Johnson > > Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5 > Registered Linux User #380263 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree, it is a pclos thing. They use udisks2. Which is notorious for automount problems. I can't uninstall it because trinity is dependant on it. I know how to edit the fstab, but would rather not. It's also not going to help because it's rarely the same drive twice. This becomes a problem when/because I'm working on client drive data recovery. I appreciate the help though, Thank you Jimmy Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On Sunday 17 June 2018 14:44:50 Kate Draven wrote: > > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 06:05:04 Thierry de Coulon wrote: > > > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 14.18:43 William Morder wrote: > > > > > Every time I use the new KDE Plasma, I get so frustrated that I want > > > > > to break something. The same goes for whenever I have to use other > > > > > people's computers, especially if they run Windoze or the rotten > > > > > Apple; and it's even worse when I have to use a public computer. > > > > > > > > > > The only thing that worries me is that I am becoming my own island, > > > > which > > > > > > > is maybe not so good. I am thinking maybe of running a virtual box > > > > inside > > > > > > > my Linux machine, in which I can run Windoze or the rotten Apple or > > > > > some other Linux OS, just to keep up a little with changes that are > > > > > going on "out there". > > > > > > > > I could have written this, or most of it. I don't know if it helps > > > > knowing you're not alone... > > > > > > > > Thierry > > > > > > The Trinity users list is becoming my entire social life. I also wonder > > > if maybe this is not healthy. On the other hand, fewer and fewer people > > > "out there" seem to be really sane; and when I must use their computers, > > > this worries me even more. > > > > > > When I was mostly offline for a few days, trying to migrate from Debian > > > to Devuan, I got 44 emails, of which 43 were from the TDE mailing list. > > > > > > Tomorrow, at any rate, I shall try to make it downstairs, past the front > > > > desk, > > > > > beyond the ice machine, and to go outdoors, maybe even as far as the > > > library and the farmers market. Also, I need coffee. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Bloody hell mate. You're out of coffee? > > > > Kate > > > > I had just enough to get my 2-cup dose on Sunday morning, then it was out to > find some more. I can always walk to a cafe or bakery on my street, or go to > the corner shop to buy some; but then it's expensive. If I want to get it at > a decent price, it means an expedition. But now my stock is replenished, and > ought to last me until the first week of next month. > > Bill > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Disaster averted. Well done lad. Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On Sun, 17 Jun 2018, Kate Draven wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > I know EXACTLY how you feel. I have to work with crackmonkey clients. Both > > itblows and snapple. They keep saying how there's SO much more software for > > them and yet none of it is useful. Just games. Useless file managers (all > > hail Konqueror, which is aptly named) and the CLI (via konsole). > > I have been using a Windows 10 Pro laptop to avoid potential hassles > with the college system and have gotten some modest acquaintance with > it; it's also fun to tool around with a different OS. > > the impression I get is one is better able to use features of > some brand-name printers. this may be useful depending on one's needs. > I haven't taken much advantage of it. > > I find the privacy settings pretty obscure and I am bedevilled by the > automatic upgrades; I find the lack of control abominable -- 'my' PC > my butt! I have been able to block 'features updates' with some > regedit magic. > > > I do like to run different distros but I only use one for work. Currently Ark > > Linux 2008 and Ali's BigDaddy. I'm hoping to retire Ark for BigDaddy or > > Slackware if and when TDE makes it there. I hope to gain enough skill to do > > it meself. > > never heard of 'BigDaddy' -- fitting for the day! unlike you, I guess > I'm kind of monogamous when it comes to Linux. don't do much with the > 'desktop' anyway except launch applications. > > f. > > -- > Felmon Davis > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- When you said "My" PC, I immediately thought of this old gem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPejYdBM11I Enjoy. As for win10, I expect you have more skills than the average user. So it's to be expected that you would fair better than the average bear. Just think about the poor common user. The abuse they are put through but, like an abuse victim, they fear leaving what they are familiar with. (Kate hops up on her soapbox and shakes a fist) But we must bring them into the light of FOSS freedom, even if it's kicking and screaming. GN to all, (Kate hops off on her soapbox and disappears into the mysterious mist) Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> > I'm hoping to retire Ark for BigDaddy or > > Slackware if and when TDE makes it there. I hope to > > gain enough skill to do it meself. > > > I doubt that TDE will ever make an official entry in Slackware > nonetheless some people have made build scripts or even packages. > Here are some: > > - http://www.giustetti.net/wiki/index.php?title=TDE_introduction > - https://sourceforge.net/projects/tde-slackware > - https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds > - http://www.inpito.org/trinity.php > > I do have my own scripts but everything is installed > in /usr/{bin,lib64} and I don't know if they conflict with KDE (which > is not installed...) > > cheers. > @+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Gregory I'll look into this ASAP. I appreciate the info. As for KDE, It's not likely I'll have it installed to any significant degree since it's mostly useless (no offense to anyone) in a work environment. And I wouldn't count slackware out when it comes to adopting TDE. They pay attention to what works. TDE works. Again, thanks for the info and happy father's day (if applicable). Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On Sunday 17 June 2018 06:05:04 Thierry de Coulon wrote: > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 14.18:43 William Morder wrote: > > > Every time I use the new KDE Plasma, I get so frustrated that I want to > > > break something. The same goes for whenever I have to use other people's > > > computers, especially if they run Windoze or the rotten Apple; and it's > > > even worse when I have to use a public computer. > > > > > > The only thing that worries me is that I am becoming my own island, which > > > is maybe not so good. I am thinking maybe of running a virtual box inside > > > my Linux machine, in which I can run Windoze or the rotten Apple or some > > > other Linux OS, just to keep up a little with changes that are going on > > > "out there". > > > > I could have written this, or most of it. I don't know if it helps knowing > > you're not alone... > > > > Thierry > > > The Trinity users list is becoming my entire social life. I also wonder if > maybe this is not healthy. On the other hand, fewer and fewer people "out > there" seem to be really sane; and when I must use their computers, this > worries me even more. > > When I was mostly offline for a few days, trying to migrate from Debian to > Devuan, I got 44 emails, of which 43 were from the TDE mailing list. > > Tomorrow, at any rate, I shall try to make it downstairs, past the front desk, > beyond the ice machine, and to go outdoors, maybe even as far as the library > and the farmers market. Also, I need coffee. > > Bill > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Bloody hell mate. You're out of coffee? Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On Sunday 17 June 2018 07:17:54 Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 09:46:34 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > Am Sonntag, 17. Juni 2018 schrieb William Morder: > > > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 06:05:04 Thierry de Coulon wrote: > > > > > On Sunday 17 June 2018 14.18:43 William Morder wrote: > > > > > > Every time I use the new KDE Plasma, I get so frustrated that I > > > > > > want to break something. The same goes for whenever I have to > > > > > > use other people's computers, especially if they run Windoze or > > > > > > the rotten Apple; and it's even worse when I have to use a > > > > > > public computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only thing that worries me is that I am becoming my own > > > > > > island, which is maybe not so good. I am thinking maybe of > > > > > > running a virtual box inside my Linux machine, in which I can > > > > > > run Windoze or the rotten Apple or some other Linux OS, just to > > > > > > keep up a little with changes that are going on "out there". > > > > > > > > > > I could have written this, or most of it. I don't know if it helps > > > > > knowing you're not alone... > > > > > > > > > > Thierry > > > > > > > > The Trinity users list is becoming my entire social life. I also > > > > wonder if maybe this is not healthy. On the other hand, fewer and > > > > fewer people "out there" seem to be really sane; and when I must use > > > > their computers, this worries me even more. > > > > > > > > When I was mostly offline for a few days, trying to migrate from > > > > Debian to Devuan, I got 44 emails, of which 43 were from the TDE > > > > mailing list. > > > > > > > > Tomorrow, at any rate, I shall try to make it downstairs, past the > > > > front desk, beyond the ice machine, and to go outdoors, maybe even > > > > as far as the library and the farmers market. Also, I need coffee. > > > > > > Probably the caffein withdrawal is what makes real trouble :-) (just > > > conted: 4 kg coffee left *phiew*) > > > > Must be more than one container then. On this side of the pond, a 3 lb > > can is a big one, I get nervous when I am down to the last can. For use, > > that can gets dumped into a smaller plastic can with a handle that works > > much better for filling the Mr. Coffee for another 12 cups of Gods > > Blessing. > > > > I've been known to have 4 of the big cans on top of the fridge, buying it > > when its on sale at under 7 dollars a can. Wouldn't want to run out > > between sales now would we? > > > > > Nik > > I, too, shop for the sales, but nowadays I am a coffee snob (thanks to a > former girlfriend, since about 30 years ago now). I spend at least $30-40 > every month on the stuff. But I only like it strong and black, so at least I > save money by not needing to adulterate the elixir of enlightenment with > cream and sugar, etc. > > It's rather an expensive habit, and probably qualifies as an addiction, but > then as I get older, I have fewer and fewer dependable pleasures, so by that > measure it's cheap. It also goes well with reading, and a good book is a > friend for life. > > Bill > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Spoken like a true junkie... I mean connoisseur. Aye, that's it... connoisseur. 0_o Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> But you forgot mc, Kate, and its still the best after all these years. > Konqueror is a wannabe, and krusader is so limited its not worth its > storage space on spinning rust. Oh I didn't forget MC, but it's a "CLI" file manager (and a mighty one), but not a graphical one. I disagree with Konqueror being a wannabe. It's a fantastic tool with infinite uses. You just have to know how to use it. Krusader is a great one too, again, if you know how to use it. For me, for example, Krusader an archiving tool. Target on one side, source on another and it tests the archives for me. Been using it for years. Then using Luckybackup for the rest. In 20 years. I have NEVER lost data. That's also partly because I have it down to a science and do them every night. The first times, is always the hardest and most time consuming. I will say this about MC. It is a life saver. In the end, I have to agree, it is the most powerful tool of all under fire. Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On 2018-06-18 20:46:25 dep wrote: > > said Kate Draven: > > | Oh I didn't forget MC, but it's a "CLI" file manager (and a mighty one), > > | but not a graphical one. > > | > > | I disagree with Konqueror being a wannabe. It's a fantastic tool with > > | infinite uses. You just have to know how to use it. Krusader is a great > > | one too, again, if you know how to use it. > > > > and i think that both are necessary. the very first thing i install in a > > new linux setup is midnight commander -- the height of achievement by > > miguel de icaza, who in his declining career first invented gnome then > > went to work for msft. (a nice guy, though -- i interviewed him in boston > > when he was still doing ximian.) mc will get you out of all kinds of > > trouble. and "sudo mc" in a terminal is maybe the most practical desktop > > shortcut to a world of things. > > > > and for regular file management from the desktop, nothing touches > > konqueror. > > Well, I've found that Konqueror Very Often misrenders modern websites, but > IMO it's probably the best all-around file manager I've used; very flexible > due to splittable panes, kio slaves, etc. > I do miss KDE's Image View, which I think is better than the one in Trinity's > Konqueror, but otherwise, Konqueror rocks as a file manager. > > Leslie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh what differences have you experienced with the image view function? Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: got a puzzle OT
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On 2018-06-18 19:41:17 Kate Draven wrote: > > The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the "Deity" of the "religion" known as "The > > Pastafarians". > > > > More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster > > > > The Line "Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti > > again!" is just me. > > > > All hail TFSM creator of chocolate. > > Ooooh! Chocolate pasta?! > > Leslie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh you naughty devil! Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] got a puzzle OT
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On Monday 18 June 2018 01:03:29 Kate Draven wrote: > > > We all know it's the Flying Spaghetti Monster that created all things! > > Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti again! > > > > Kate > > Chuckle. It's been ages since I've heard that phrase. I have 50 yo kids > that have never heard it. And my memory is fading, what song or tv show > originated that? Seems like it must have been a song, circa 1970 or so. > Or was that the one about the one-eyed, flying purple people eater? > > -- The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the "Deity" of the "religion" known as "The Pastafarians". More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster The Line "Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti again!" is just me. All hail TFSM creator of chocolate. Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: qtcurve
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> Kate Draven wrote: > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > this is qt4 or qt5 - in this case you need to install the dependencies and I > don't think you should mess with kwin anyway. > > perhaps qt5 is better choice, but qt4 is coexisting in debian stretch with > trinity and I think there were some integration efforts from TDE team. > However qt5 is replacing qt4, so for the future it is the path to follow. > > best would be to port it to qt3 (if possible) > > regards > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ok so changing 'kde" to 'tde" and kwin to 'twin" isn't going to help. There's a more to it than I'm seeing aye? Thanks to all, Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 18 Jun '18

18 Jun '18

> On Wednesday 13 June 2018 10:00:41 deloptes wrote: > > Kate Draven wrote: > > > Platypus, an impossible creature. > > > Many said TDE would be dead within a year. > > > Now, it's gaining ground to the point, I think, that some are nervous. > > > > And many swore new KDE will work with just few upgrades - it was 10y ago. > > G. time flies by! > > > > cheers > > > > In the course of my several attempts to migrate from Debian to Devuan, and > maybe upgrade to either Stretch or Ascii, I discovered that the new KDE > Plasma completely deleted all my personal settings. Even after I reinstalled, > it took a while to get my KDE desktop looking and behaving right; which in > any case, is never very good. > > I like to keep another desktop on my system, so that I can always boot up into > the other desktop, if I am having problems specific to TDE. I think LXDE > works better than KDE, but KDE has programs that are sometimes more > compatible with TDE. > > Every time I use the new KDE Plasma, I get so frustrated that I want to break > something. The same goes for whenever I have to use other people's computers, > especially if they run Windoze or the rotten Apple; and it's even worse when > I have to use a public computer. > > The only thing that worries me is that I am becoming my own island, which is > maybe not so good. I am thinking maybe of running a virtual box inside my > Linux machine, in which I can run Windoze or the rotten Apple or some other > Linux OS, just to keep up a little with changes that are going on "out > there". > > Thank the Goddess for TDE! I believe I would have given up on computers > altogether, if not for Trinity. > > Bill > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill, I know EXACTLY how you feel. I have to work with crackmonkey clients. Both itblows and snapple. They keep saying how there's SO much more software for them and yet none of it is useful. Just games. Useless file managers (all hail Konqueror, which is aptly named) and the CLI (via konsole). I do like to run different distros but I only use one for work. Currently Ark Linux 2008 and Ali's BigDaddy. I'm hoping to retire Ark for BigDaddy or Slackware if and when TDE makes it there. I hope to gain enough skill to do it meself. Cheers and happy father's day to all, Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] got a puzzle OT
by Kate Draven 18 Jun '18

18 Jun '18

> Gene Heskett composed on 2018-06-10 23:25 (UTC-0400): > > William Morder wrote: > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > >>> William Morder wrote: > >>>> I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place > >>>> where dinosaurs still roam the earth. > > >> > They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :) > > >> I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like > >> pheasant? > > > I'd have to say that mere mortals like us will never know. Ostrich > > maybe?, its pretty ancient. > > > Evolution has changed almost everything on this planet in the last 70 > > million years, including us. > "Evolution" as taught in public schools and universities is 6/7 religion, 1/7 > science. http://www.ep.tc/problems/59/ is a relatively short 1974 comic that > explains without fractions. > > Evolution as taught has 7 meanings, only one of which is proven science. The > rest is entirely based on faith in various theories that have not been and > almost certainly will not ever be proven. More at http://www.icr.org/ and elsewhere. > -- > "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you > get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- We all know it's the Flying Spaghetti Monster that created all things! Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti again! Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 18 Jun '18

18 Jun '18

> On Monday 18 of June 2018 00:52:31 gregory guy wrote: > > > I'm hoping to retire Ark for BigDaddy or > > > Slackware if and when TDE makes it there. I hope to > > > gain enough skill to do it meself. > > > > I doubt that TDE will ever make an official entry in Slackware > > nonetheless some people have made build scripts or even packages. > > Here are some: > > > > - http://www.giustetti.net/wiki/index.php?title=3DTDE_introduction > > - https://sourceforge.net/projects/tde-slackware > > - https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds > > - http://www.inpito.org/trinity.php > > > > I do have my own scripts but everything is installed > > in /usr/{bin,lib64} and I don't know if they conflict with KDE (which > > is not installed...) > > > > cheers. > > @+ > > > > Tde-slackbuilds by Ray Vine (previously Thorn Inurcide) seem to be best=20 > maintained. This was the reason why I made a mirror to Gitea: > > https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/SlavekB/tde-packaging-slackware > > Cheers > =2D-=20 > Sl=E1vek > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you Slávek. As always, thanks for the help to you and all. Kate

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KMail migration to another computer
by Glen Cunningham 17 Jun '18

17 Jun '18

G'day All Trinity Gurus, I am currently running KMail on a very old KDE/Trinity installation. /etc/issue shows "Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS" which needs to be pensioned off immediately. I have installed tde-14.0.4-ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso onto a newer computer. The installation seems OK and I managed to transfer the mozilla bookmarks to the new computer but getting KMail across has me stumped. Googling did not produce anything useful. :-((( On this old computer the KMail info seems to be stored in /home/glen/.kde3/share/apps/kmail but the new installation seems to have a very different directory structure. So, can the KMail settings and emails be copied to the newer computer? If anyone knows how, please let me know in GOF-speak (that is words of 2-syllables or less). Ta, Glen

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starting trinity fails with segfault of dcopserver
by Stefan Krusche 16 Jun '18

16 Jun '18

Good day everyone, I can't seem to get a trinity session started on a freshly installed Devuan/ascii system. System information: $ uname -a Linux rubians 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux TDE is from preliminary stable builds: $ /opt//trinity/bin/tde-config --version Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.5 [DEVELOPMENT] tde-config: 1.0 TDE's display manager tdm seems to run fine, but after trying to login the xserver crashes, restarts and brings me back to the login screen. Xorg.log doesn't show any errors (EE), only a couple of warnings (WW), and slim/xfce starts well, so the problem does not *seem* to be with my xorg installation/configuration. Apparently the fatal error for tdm (taken from /var/log/tdm.log; see below) seems to be: XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0" after 10630 requests (10630 known processed) with 12 events remaining. At the same time the kernel reports segfaults of xsetroot, dcopserver and drkonqi: # /var/log/kern.log: xsetroot[13335]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffc3e25b728 error 14 in xsetroot[5565ab996000+3000] dcopserver[13348]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffe62f8bfb8 error 14 in tdeinit[561ca05e9000+f000] drkonqi[13349]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffdc6e1ef78 error 14 in drkonqi[556e1e321000+2c000] drkonqi[13357]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffd3ae13258 error 14 in drkonqi[559954651000+2c000] drkonqi[13358]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffcd2440b98 error 14 in drkonqi[563d84b6a000+2c000] drkonqi[13364]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffd8ee79d38 error 14 in drkonqi[55fc873bf000+2c000] drkonqi[13366]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffe42274928 error 14 in drkonqi[5574adb0e000+2c000] dcopserver[13373]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffd4592dcc8 error 14 in tdeinit[564c11c4d000+f000] drkonqi[13375]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffc4ab0fa98 error 14 in drkonqi[55e870384000+2c000] TDE's start script /opt/trinity/bin/starttde also reports segmentation fault and crashes of a couple of TDE programs. Main reason for failure seems to be that dcopserver can't be started (all marked with "<----"). I'm stuck and don't know how to find out the root of the problem. I'm probably missing something here. Any hints and advice much appreciated. Kind regards, Stefan # ~/.xsession-errors: Xsession: X session started for stekru at Mo 4. Jun 14:18:34 CEST 2018 localuser:stekru being added to access control list OpenGL version: 3. dbus-update-activation-environment: systemd --user not found, ignoring --systemd argument dbus-update-activation-environment: setting LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DISPLAY=:0 dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DM_CONTROL=/var/run/xdmctl dbus-update-activation-environment: setting USER=stekru dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DESKTOP_SESSION=default dbus-update-activation-environment: setting PWD=/home/stekru dbus-update-activation-environment: setting HOME=/home/stekru dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=default dbus-update-activation-environment: setting SHELL=/bin/bash dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SESSION_CLASS=greeter dbus-update-activation-environment: setting GPG_AGENT_INFO=/home/stekru/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1 dbus-update-activation-environment: setting SHLVL=1 dbus-update-activation-environment: setting LOGNAME=stekru dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-m8Bl3WHlj4,guid=f71782d11eadbaab970c8e625b152e1a dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDM_MANAGED=/var/run/xdmctl/xdmctl-:0,maysd,mayfn,sched,rsvd,method=classic dbus-update-activation-environment: setting PATH=/home/stekru/.local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SESSION_COOKIE=a7b74f329b75f62a6e0210685b106cef-1528114714.71029-1250134074 dbus-update-activation-environment: setting _=/usr/bin/dbus-update-activation-environment [starttde] Starting starttde. [starttde] This script is /usr/bin/x-session-manager [starttde] TDE version is R14.0.5 [DEVELOPMENT] [starttde] TDE base directory is /opt/trinity [starttde] TDEHOME is not set. [starttde] Set TDEHOME to /home/stekru/.trinity. [starttde] Setting TDEROOTHOME to /root/.trinity. [starttde] XDG_DATA_DIRS: /opt/trinity/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share [starttde] TDEDIR: /opt/trinity [starttde] TDEDIRS: Segmentation fault <---- [starttde] Starting Trinity... [starttde] Trinity hardware control dbus daemon running. [tdeinit] Pipe closed unexpectedly: No such file or directory <---- [tdeinit] DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. <---- [kcrash] TDECrash: Application 'kdetcompmgr' crashing... [kcrash] Warning: socket connection failed: : Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt [kcrash] TDECrash cannot reach tdeinit, launching directly. [starttde] Running kpersonalizer... [kcrash] TDECrash: Application 'twin' crashing... [kcrash] Warning: socket connection failed: : Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt [kcrash] TDECrash cannot reach tdeinit, launching directly. [kcrash] TDECrash: Application 'kpersonalizer' crashing... [kcrash] Warning: socket connection failed: : Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt [kcrash] TDECrash cannot reach tdeinit, launching directly. call failed [kcrash] TDECrash: Application 'tdeinit_displayconfig' crashing... [kcrash] Warning: socket connection failed: : Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt [kcrash] TDECrash cannot reach tdeinit, launching directly. [kcrash] TDECrash: Application 'ksplash' crashing... [kcrash] Warning: socket connection failed: : Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt [kcrash] TDECrash cannot reach tdeinit, launching directly. [starttde] TDE_FULL_SESSION: true [starttde] TDE_SESSION_UID: 1000 [tdeinit] Pipe closed unexpectedly: No such file or directory [tdeinit] DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. [starttde] tdeinit started successfully. [kcrash] TDECrash: Application 'tdeinit_phase1' crashing... [kcrash] Warning: socket connection failed: : Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt [kcrash] TDECrash cannot reach tdeinit, launching directly. ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! [starttde] Shutting down Trinity... [tdeinit wrapper] Warning: socket connection failed: : Connection refused [tdeinit wrapper] Error: Can't contact tdeinit! [starttde] Running Trinity shutdown scripts... [starttde] Trinity shutdown complete. # /var/log/tdm.log: X.Org X Server 1.19.2 Release Date: 2017-03-02 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 4.9.0-4-amd64 x86_64 Debian Current Operating System: Linux rubians 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64 Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.9.0-6-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/ssd--vg-ssd--root1 ro quiet Build Date: 16 October 2017 08:19:45AM xorg-server 2:1.19.2-1+deb9u2 (https://www.debian.org/support) Current version of pixman: 0.34.0 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Jun 4 13:27:28 2018 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" [FIXME] UNCLASSIFIED DEVICE name: hdaudioC0D0 type: (null) subsystem: hdaudio driver: snd_hda_codec_realtek [Node Path: (null)] [Syspath: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/hdaudioC0D0] [8086:293e] [tdekbdledsync] Found 1 keyboard(s) [tdekbdledsync] Syncing keyboard: (AT Translated Set 2 keyboard) /usr/bin/iceauth: creating new authority file /tmp/1033582353/.ICEauthority # --- before / after login attempt --- tdecore (TDEAccel): WARNING: TDEGlobalAccelPrivate::grabKey( Alt+Plus, true, "Walk Through Windows of Same Application (Reverse)" ): Tried to grab key requiring ISO_Level3_Shift (AltGr) sequence. XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0" after 10630 requests (10630 known processed) with 12 events remaining. [FIXME] UNCLASSIFIED DEVICE name: hdaudioC0D0 type: (null) subsystem: hdaudio driver: snd_hda_codec_realtek [Node Path: (null)] [Syspath: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/hdaudioC0D0] [8086:293e] [tdekbdledsync] Found 1 keyboard(s) [tdekbdledsync] Syncing keyboard: (AT Translated Set 2 keyboard) /usr/bin/iceauth: creating new authority file /tmp/1333720498/.ICEauthority

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cups or tde belly ache, kmail can't print to cheap brother lazer
by Gene Heskett 16 Jun '18

16 Jun '18

Greetings all; I am in the process od transitioning to stretch, and there are some helpfull email messages I need to print. . But I need to print them on a brother HL-2140, about a penny a sheet. not of the big ink squirter at 25 to 50 cents a sheet not to mention its in pages per hour speed. But when I send something to the little brother, knotify pops up with the following message: A print error occurred. Error message received from system: Error while reading filter description for (bold>) true. Empty command line received. This printer is shared and works fine from any other machine on my 6 machine home network, it only miss-behaves from kmail. Up to date TDE r14.0.0.5 install. Any clues? -- Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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HP Machine
by Baron 16 Jun '18

16 Jun '18

Hi Guys, Thank you for your comments. Glen, I did eventually find that info you mentioned. I also discovered from the HP web site, that the same machine comes in a lot of variants. There is little information to identify which has what in terms of main boards, graphics cards, sound cards etc. I managed to contact the dealer just before they shut up shop for the weekend and asked them to supply the exact specifications for the model that I'm interested in. They have promised to get back to me... Will report further. Thanks all. -- Best Regards: Baron

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HP Machine.
by Baron 15 Jun '18

15 Jun '18

Hi Guys, I'm thinking of getting a new PC, This one:- HP Elitedesk 800 G2 SFF - Intel Core i5 6th Gen with 8GB Ram, 240GB SSD. However the supplier doesn't know if it's Linux compatible and the Hewlet Packard site doesn't help either. Comments and advice sought ! Thanks in advance. -- Best Regards: Baron

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Re: [trinity-users] cups or tde belly ache, kmail can't print to cheap brother lazer
by Kate Draven 14 Jun '18

14 Jun '18

> Greetings all; > > I am in the process od transitioning to stretch, and there are some > helpfull email messages I need to print. > . But I need to print them on a brother HL-2140, about a penny a sheet. > not of the big ink squirter at 25 to 50 cents a sheet not to mention its > in pages per hour speed. > > But when I send something to the little brother, knotify pops up with > the following message: > A print error occurred. Error message received from system: > Error while reading filter description for (bold>) true. Empty command > line received. > > This printer is shared and works fine from any other machine on my 6 > machine home network, it only miss-behaves from kmail. Up to date TDE > r14.0.0.5 install. > > Any clues? > -- > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- Open the cups web interface and reload the printer. Usually works. If it uses proprietary drivers, uninstall and reinstall. I have the same printer, sometimes farts up and need to do the above. Kate

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compilation errors with clang
by Oleg Levenets 14 Jun '18

14 Jun '18

Hi, maybe someone can help? I decided to create a git-version of trinity for my slackware, but several packages do not want to be compiled. First package k9copy: ../../libk9copy/k9config.cpp:82:72: [0;1;31merror: taking the address of a temporary object of type 'TQColor' [-Waddress-of-temporary] ...&TQColor(TQt::yellow)); [0;1;32m ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ../../libk9copy/k9config.cpp:83:68: [0;1;31merror: taking the address of a temporary object of type 'TQColor' [-Waddress-of-temporary] ...&TQColor(TQt::yellow)); Second soundkoverter: In file included from ../../../../src/metadata/rmff/taglib_realmediafile.cpp:37: ../../../../src/metadata/rmff/rmff.h:253:21: error: cannot define or redeclare ' 'RealMedia' does not enclose namespace 'TagLib' class TagLib::AudioProperties; these packages are normally compiled with gcc, but do not want to work with clang. I will be grateful for help in solving the problem! best regards, Oleg Levenets.

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Disabling USB hard drive auto mount
by Kate Draven 13 Jun '18

13 Jun '18

Hi people (and others) I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out how to disable the auto mount function for usb hard drives. Every time I connect a HD via a usb HD dock. It auto mounts the drive. Is there anyway to stop this? I think it's udisksd or something. Google was useless regarding how to disable it. I'm asking PCLinuxOS people but I expect I'll get an answer here faster. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kate

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why consolekit & policykit & elogind?
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 13 Jun '18

13 Jun '18

Hi all! This question might be a bit OT (and probably totally useless for the systemd-fraction), but ... what is the purpose of need consolekit & policykit & elogind ? I observed consolekit creating hordes of children, resulting in ~ 5% cpu usage. I deleted consolekit & policykit & elogind, restarted the system and found everything still working perfectly. So, what are these good for? Is TDE depending on these in any way? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs & dragons
by Kate Draven 13 Jun '18

13 Jun '18

T-Drago A wee lizard with great but silly powers. Like the ability to give people uncontrollable flatulence. It's late. I need sleep. GN to all Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] <off topic> Disabling USB hard drive auto mount
by Kate Draven 13 Jun '18

13 Jun '18

> On 06/12/2018 07:54 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > On 06/12/2018 06:09 PM, Kate Draven wrote: > > >> help because it's rarely the same drive twice. This becomes a problem > >> when/because I'm working on client drive data recovery. > >> > >> I appreciate the help though, > >> > >> Thank you Jimmy > >> > >> Kate > > > Kate I made my living working in the field or at a bench doing > computer/network related repairs or installs, I took a laptop with me in > the field that ran 'Puppy Linux', small and fast with all the tools a > tech needs on a little live .iso. This was before systemd, but Puppy is > still without systemd. > https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=10053 > > Cheers, > -- > Jimmy Johnson > > Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5 > Registered Linux User #380263 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- HI Jimmy Aye, I've used puppylinux, slackware, RH, Mandrake, DSL, gentoo and a few others. But it's KDE's (now TDE) power that keeps me to distros that run it. Honestly if TDE were on slackware, that's where I'd go. Me next choice would be Debian were it not for systemD, I don't trust it (gut feeling). Then any RPM distro like pclos. The only problem I'm having with pclos is this automount thing. I have been able to confirm it's udisks2 that's automounting the drives. No matter what setting I use. With all that being said. I truly appreciate all the input (INPUT! points to anyone who can name the film). Keep it coming. Kate

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A message from Patrick J. Volkerding <Slackware>
by Jimmy Johnson 13 Jun '18

13 Jun '18

Devuan or Trinity can borrow anything they find useful from the current tree. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5 Registered Linux User #380263

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Slightly OT: The Thompson-Davis Editor
by Leslie Turriff 12 Jun '18

12 Jun '18

I'm using the source code for the open-source Thompson-Davis Editor <http://adoxa.altervista.org/tde/>, "a simple, public domain, multi-file, multi-window binary and text file editor written for IBM PCs and close compatibles running DOS, Win32 (console) or Linux" to learn C and curses programming. You may have noticed its coincidental acronym :-) and yes, it stores it's configuration information in $TDEHOME. TDE is small but non-trivial, and I think it will be a good resource for someone like me, who is attempting to get a grip on programming in the *nix environment; it's not so big as to be overwhelming, yet not as useless as HelloWorld.c. Thoughts? Leslie

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Disabling USB hard drive auto mount
by Kate Draven 12 Jun '18

12 Jun '18

> n 06/11/2018 03:51 PM, Kate Draven wrote: > >> On Monday 11 June 2018 18:42:41 Kate Draven wrote: > >> > >>>> Kate Draven wrote: > >>>> > > So, not takers on how to disable auto mounting of external HDs? > > > > Kate > Control Panel>Peripherals>storage media>mime types(unmounted > storage)>select a deive a "toggle automount" button is highlighted. > > On my box when I plug in a device I get a popup window asking "what to > do"..ie no auto mounting. None of my devices hace the "toggle ..." > feature enabled. > > Not sure this is a solution to your issue, hesitant to play with my > settings as it working "fine now"tm. > > greg I did check that section but only quickly. I'll check into this. I didn't check each section. There may be more to review than I initially thought. Thanks Greg, Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Disabling USB hard drive auto mount
by Kate Draven 12 Jun '18

12 Jun '18

> On Monday 11 June 2018 18:42:41 Kate Draven wrote: > > > > Kate Draven wrote: > > > > Hi people (and others) > > > > > > I am not aware that cats are members of this list :) > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- > > > > If cats had their way, they would be overlords. > > And yes, they have infiltrated the organization. > > > > Kate > > And they, I take it, have delegated the food bowl and excrement pan > maintenance to you? Its a dirty job, but I suppose somebody has to do > it. > > -- > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- And I have to feed them too... So, not takers on how to disable auto mounting of external HDs? Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Disabling USB hard drive auto mount
by Kate Draven 12 Jun '18

12 Jun '18

> On Monday 11 June 2018 16:51:26 Kate Draven wrote: > > > On Monday 11 June 2018 18:42:41 Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > > Hi people (and others) > > > > > > > > > > I am not aware that cats are members of this list :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >- > > > > > > > > If cats had their way, they would be overlords. > > > > And yes, they have infiltrated the organization. > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > And they, I take it, have delegated the food bowl and excrement pan > > > maintenance to you? Its a dirty job, but I suppose somebody has to do > > > it. > > > > > > -- > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > > -- > > > > And I have to feed them too... > > > > So, not takers on how to disable auto mounting of external HDs? > > > > Kate > > > > I believe that you can disable automounting by opening up Konqueror: > media:/ > Right-click on the icon for that item, then you can go to > Properties > Mounting > and check your mount options. > > Try doing as your username first; if you still have problems, then open up > Konqueror as root: > tdesu konqueror > and try again. (Of course, all the usual precautions about running anything as > root.) Messing up your mount options can make external HDDs a headache. > > If this doesn't work, then you probably want to examine these files: > /etc/fstab > /etc/mtab > However, I try not to mess with these, if everything else has been running > fine until now. If you try to disable automount for a new HDD, you may > inadvertently change mounting options for other drives, which will be worse. > > Bill > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks lad, I'll give it a go in the morning. Update everyone then. Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Disabling USB hard drive auto mount
by Kate Draven 12 Jun '18

12 Jun '18

> On Monday 11 June 2018 19:51:26 Kate Draven wrote: > > > > On Monday 11 June 2018 18:42:41 Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > > Hi people (and others) > > > > > > > > > > I am not aware that cats are members of this list :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >---- - > > > > > > > > If cats had their way, they would be overlords. > > > > And yes, they have infiltrated the organization. > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > And they, I take it, have delegated the food bowl and excrement pan > > > maintenance to you? Its a dirty job, but I suppose somebody has to > > > do it. > > > > > > -- > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > > -- > > > > And I have to feed them too... > > > > So, not takers on how to disable auto mounting of external HDs? > > > > Kate > > > Heck, right now I've two, decade old red sata, both of which has succumed > to the ravages of the red dye used in the cable. So before I can update > from wheezy, I'll have to find someplace that has sata cables that > aren't that hot red color. If you have some red ones in your systems, > order replacements that are any color but red, because you WILL replace > the reds ones sooner or later, usually under 5 years later. > > Thats another way of saying I am not automounting 2 of the 3 drives in a > hot swap cage. > > Now we're back on topic, sorta, but I'm no help. But I also have a very > faded memory of doing something in /lib/udev/rules.d to stop that, but > its much of a half decade back up the log and even then my short term > memory was starting to get fuzzy. And I don't see an obviously out of > date, newer version of anything disk related in /lib/udev/rules.d. That > may not be where I putzed with it. Poor memory, the curse of the > so-called golden years. > > What ever, it was interfering with the blkid based mounting > in /etc/fstab. > > -- > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- I was thinking the same thing, using blkid, but I have to first deal with the dreaded automount. The problem with that is, the drives are never the same. These are client drive (mostly crackmonkeys) in need of data retrieval. Someone will have an answer. As for ancient computers. Glad to see I'm not the only Dr Frankenstein here. Me first computer was comprised of about 27 different computers I found in the rubbish over a period of months about 30 something years back. Still doing it, I've built some amazing machines. A lot of them even worked without blazing into a fireballs. Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Disabling USB hard drive auto mount
by Kate Draven 12 Jun '18

12 Jun '18

> said Kate Draven: > > | If cats had their way, they would be overlords. > | And yes, they have infiltrated the organization. > > yes. and have produced the well-known mail client "claws." > --=20 > dep > Only Hypno Toad can save us now. Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: Disabling USB hard drive auto mount
by Kate Draven 12 Jun '18

12 Jun '18

> Kate Draven wrote: > > > Hi people (and others) > > I am not aware that cats are members of this list :) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- If cats had their way, they would be overlords. And yes, they have infiltrated the organization. Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Slightly OT: The Thompson-Davis Editor
by Kate Draven 10 Jun '18

10 Jun '18

> I'm using the source code for the open-source Thompson-Davis Editor > <http://adoxa.altervista.org/tde/>, "a simple, public domain, multi-file, > multi-window binary and text file editor written for IBM PCs and close > compatibles running DOS, Win32 (console) or Linux" to learn C and curses > programming. > You may have noticed its coincidental acronym :-) and yes, it stores it's > configuration information in $TDEHOME. TDE is small but non-trivial, and I > think it will be a good resource for someone like me, who is attempting to > get a grip on programming in the *nix environment; it's not so big as to be > overwhelming, yet not as useless as HelloWorld.c. > Thoughts? > > Leslie > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- I say any (almost any) learning experience is a good one. Go for it. Kate

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