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Re: [trinity-users] Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On 2018-06-18 20:46:25 dep wrote: > > said Kate Draven: > > | Oh I didn't forget MC, but it's a "CLI" file manager (and a mighty one), > > | but not a graphical one. > > | > > | I disagree with Konqueror being a wannabe. It's a fantastic tool with > > | infinite uses. You just have to know how to use it. Krusader is a great > > | one too, again, if you know how to use it. > > > > and i think that both are necessary. the very first thing i install in a > > new linux setup is midnight commander -- the height of achievement by > > miguel de icaza, who in his declining career first invented gnome then > > went to work for msft. (a nice guy, though -- i interviewed him in boston > > when he was still doing ximian.) mc will get you out of all kinds of > > trouble. and "sudo mc" in a terminal is maybe the most practical desktop > > shortcut to a world of things. > > > > and for regular file management from the desktop, nothing touches > > konqueror. > > Well, I've found that Konqueror Very Often misrenders modern websites, but > IMO it's probably the best all-around file manager I've used; very flexible > due to splittable panes, kio slaves, etc. > I do miss KDE's Image View, which I think is better than the one in Trinity's > Konqueror, but otherwise, Konqueror rocks as a file manager. > > Leslie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh what differences have you experienced with the image view function? Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: got a puzzle OT
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On 2018-06-18 19:41:17 Kate Draven wrote: > > The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the "Deity" of the "religion" known as "The > > Pastafarians". > > > > More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster > > > > The Line "Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti > > again!" is just me. > > > > All hail TFSM creator of chocolate. > > Ooooh! Chocolate pasta?! > > Leslie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh you naughty devil! Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] got a puzzle OT
by Kate Draven 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

> On Monday 18 June 2018 01:03:29 Kate Draven wrote: > > > We all know it's the Flying Spaghetti Monster that created all things! > > Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti again! > > > > Kate > > Chuckle. It's been ages since I've heard that phrase. I have 50 yo kids > that have never heard it. And my memory is fading, what song or tv show > originated that? Seems like it must have been a song, circa 1970 or so. > Or was that the one about the one-eyed, flying purple people eater? > > -- The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the "Deity" of the "religion" known as "The Pastafarians". More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster The Line "Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti again!" is just me. All hail TFSM creator of chocolate. Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: qtcurve
by Kate Draven 18 Jun '18

18 Jun '18

> Kate Draven wrote: > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > this is qt4 or qt5 - in this case you need to install the dependencies and I > don't think you should mess with kwin anyway. > > perhaps qt5 is better choice, but qt4 is coexisting in debian stretch with > trinity and I think there were some integration efforts from TDE team. > However qt5 is replacing qt4, so for the future it is the path to follow. > > best would be to port it to qt3 (if possible) > > regards > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ok so changing 'kde" to 'tde" and kwin to 'twin" isn't going to help. There's a more to it than I'm seeing aye? Thanks to all, Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 18 Jun '18

18 Jun '18

> On Wednesday 13 June 2018 10:00:41 deloptes wrote: > > Kate Draven wrote: > > > Platypus, an impossible creature. > > > Many said TDE would be dead within a year. > > > Now, it's gaining ground to the point, I think, that some are nervous. > > > > And many swore new KDE will work with just few upgrades - it was 10y ago. > > G. time flies by! > > > > cheers > > > > In the course of my several attempts to migrate from Debian to Devuan, and > maybe upgrade to either Stretch or Ascii, I discovered that the new KDE > Plasma completely deleted all my personal settings. Even after I reinstalled, > it took a while to get my KDE desktop looking and behaving right; which in > any case, is never very good. > > I like to keep another desktop on my system, so that I can always boot up into > the other desktop, if I am having problems specific to TDE. I think LXDE > works better than KDE, but KDE has programs that are sometimes more > compatible with TDE. > > Every time I use the new KDE Plasma, I get so frustrated that I want to break > something. The same goes for whenever I have to use other people's computers, > especially if they run Windoze or the rotten Apple; and it's even worse when > I have to use a public computer. > > The only thing that worries me is that I am becoming my own island, which is > maybe not so good. I am thinking maybe of running a virtual box inside my > Linux machine, in which I can run Windoze or the rotten Apple or some other > Linux OS, just to keep up a little with changes that are going on "out > there". > > Thank the Goddess for TDE! I believe I would have given up on computers > altogether, if not for Trinity. > > Bill > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill, I know EXACTLY how you feel. I have to work with crackmonkey clients. Both itblows and snapple. They keep saying how there's SO much more software for them and yet none of it is useful. Just games. Useless file managers (all hail Konqueror, which is aptly named) and the CLI (via konsole). I do like to run different distros but I only use one for work. Currently Ark Linux 2008 and Ali's BigDaddy. I'm hoping to retire Ark for BigDaddy or Slackware if and when TDE makes it there. I hope to gain enough skill to do it meself. Cheers and happy father's day to all, Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] got a puzzle OT
by Kate Draven 18 Jun '18

18 Jun '18

> Gene Heskett composed on 2018-06-10 23:25 (UTC-0400): > > William Morder wrote: > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > >>> William Morder wrote: > >>>> I swear, this mailing list is sort of like Jurassic Park: a place > >>>> where dinosaurs still roam the earth. > > >> > They still roam the earth, Bill, except now we call them birds. :) > > >> I wonder if they tasted like chicken or turkey, or more gamey like > >> pheasant? > > > I'd have to say that mere mortals like us will never know. Ostrich > > maybe?, its pretty ancient. > > > Evolution has changed almost everything on this planet in the last 70 > > million years, including us. > "Evolution" as taught in public schools and universities is 6/7 religion, 1/7 > science. http://www.ep.tc/problems/59/ is a relatively short 1974 comic that > explains without fractions. > > Evolution as taught has 7 meanings, only one of which is proven science. The > rest is entirely based on faith in various theories that have not been and > almost certainly will not ever be proven. More at http://www.icr.org/ and elsewhere. > -- > "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you > get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- We all know it's the Flying Spaghetti Monster that created all things! Heretics and unbelievers will never taste pizza or spaghetti again! Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: TOTALLY off-topic - got a puzzle meets dinosaurs
by Kate Draven 17 Jun '18

17 Jun '18

> On Monday 18 of June 2018 00:52:31 gregory guy wrote: > > > I'm hoping to retire Ark for BigDaddy or > > > Slackware if and when TDE makes it there. I hope to > > > gain enough skill to do it meself. > > > > I doubt that TDE will ever make an official entry in Slackware > > nonetheless some people have made build scripts or even packages. > > Here are some: > > > > - http://www.giustetti.net/wiki/index.php?title=3DTDE_introduction > > - https://sourceforge.net/projects/tde-slackware > > - https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds > > - http://www.inpito.org/trinity.php > > > > I do have my own scripts but everything is installed > > in /usr/{bin,lib64} and I don't know if they conflict with KDE (which > > is not installed...) > > > > cheers. > > @+ > > > > Tde-slackbuilds by Ray Vine (previously Thorn Inurcide) seem to be best=20 > maintained. This was the reason why I made a mirror to Gitea: > > https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/SlavekB/tde-packaging-slackware > > Cheers > =2D-=20 > Sl=E1vek > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you Slávek. As always, thanks for the help to you and all. Kate

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KMail migration to another computer
by Glen Cunningham 17 Jun '18

17 Jun '18

G'day All Trinity Gurus, I am currently running KMail on a very old KDE/Trinity installation. /etc/issue shows "Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS" which needs to be pensioned off immediately. I have installed tde-14.0.4-ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso onto a newer computer. The installation seems OK and I managed to transfer the mozilla bookmarks to the new computer but getting KMail across has me stumped. Googling did not produce anything useful. :-((( On this old computer the KMail info seems to be stored in /home/glen/.kde3/share/apps/kmail but the new installation seems to have a very different directory structure. So, can the KMail settings and emails be copied to the newer computer? If anyone knows how, please let me know in GOF-speak (that is words of 2-syllables or less). Ta, Glen

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starting trinity fails with segfault of dcopserver
by Stefan Krusche 16 Jun '18

16 Jun '18

Good day everyone, I can't seem to get a trinity session started on a freshly installed Devuan/ascii system. System information: $ uname -a Linux rubians 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux TDE is from preliminary stable builds: $ /opt//trinity/bin/tde-config --version Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.5 [DEVELOPMENT] tde-config: 1.0 TDE's display manager tdm seems to run fine, but after trying to login the xserver crashes, restarts and brings me back to the login screen. Xorg.log doesn't show any errors (EE), only a couple of warnings (WW), and slim/xfce starts well, so the problem does not *seem* to be with my xorg installation/configuration. Apparently the fatal error for tdm (taken from /var/log/tdm.log; see below) seems to be: XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0" after 10630 requests (10630 known processed) with 12 events remaining. At the same time the kernel reports segfaults of xsetroot, dcopserver and drkonqi: # /var/log/kern.log: xsetroot[13335]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffc3e25b728 error 14 in xsetroot[5565ab996000+3000] dcopserver[13348]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffe62f8bfb8 error 14 in tdeinit[561ca05e9000+f000] drkonqi[13349]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffdc6e1ef78 error 14 in drkonqi[556e1e321000+2c000] drkonqi[13357]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffd3ae13258 error 14 in drkonqi[559954651000+2c000] drkonqi[13358]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffcd2440b98 error 14 in drkonqi[563d84b6a000+2c000] drkonqi[13364]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffd8ee79d38 error 14 in drkonqi[55fc873bf000+2c000] drkonqi[13366]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffe42274928 error 14 in drkonqi[5574adb0e000+2c000] dcopserver[13373]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffd4592dcc8 error 14 in tdeinit[564c11c4d000+f000] drkonqi[13375]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffc4ab0fa98 error 14 in drkonqi[55e870384000+2c000] TDE's start script /opt/trinity/bin/starttde also reports segmentation fault and crashes of a couple of TDE programs. Main reason for failure seems to be that dcopserver can't be started (all marked with "<----"). I'm stuck and don't know how to find out the root of the problem. I'm probably missing something here. Any hints and advice much appreciated. Kind regards, Stefan # ~/.xsession-errors: Xsession: X session started for stekru at Mo 4. Jun 14:18:34 CEST 2018 localuser:stekru being added to access control list OpenGL version: 3. dbus-update-activation-environment: systemd --user not found, ignoring --systemd argument dbus-update-activation-environment: setting LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DISPLAY=:0 dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DM_CONTROL=/var/run/xdmctl dbus-update-activation-environment: setting USER=stekru dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DESKTOP_SESSION=default dbus-update-activation-environment: setting PWD=/home/stekru dbus-update-activation-environment: setting HOME=/home/stekru dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=default dbus-update-activation-environment: setting SHELL=/bin/bash dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SESSION_CLASS=greeter dbus-update-activation-environment: setting GPG_AGENT_INFO=/home/stekru/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1 dbus-update-activation-environment: setting SHLVL=1 dbus-update-activation-environment: setting LOGNAME=stekru dbus-update-activation-environment: setting DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-m8Bl3WHlj4,guid=f71782d11eadbaab970c8e625b152e1a dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDM_MANAGED=/var/run/xdmctl/xdmctl-:0,maysd,mayfn,sched,rsvd,method=classic dbus-update-activation-environment: setting PATH=/home/stekru/.local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_SESSION_COOKIE=a7b74f329b75f62a6e0210685b106cef-1528114714.71029-1250134074 dbus-update-activation-environment: setting _=/usr/bin/dbus-update-activation-environment [starttde] Starting starttde. [starttde] This script is /usr/bin/x-session-manager [starttde] TDE version is R14.0.5 [DEVELOPMENT] [starttde] TDE base directory is /opt/trinity [starttde] TDEHOME is not set. [starttde] Set TDEHOME to /home/stekru/.trinity. [starttde] Setting TDEROOTHOME to /root/.trinity. [starttde] XDG_DATA_DIRS: /opt/trinity/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share [starttde] TDEDIR: /opt/trinity [starttde] TDEDIRS: Segmentation fault <---- [starttde] Starting Trinity... [starttde] Trinity hardware control dbus daemon running. [tdeinit] Pipe closed unexpectedly: No such file or directory <---- [tdeinit] DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. <---- [kcrash] TDECrash: Application 'kdetcompmgr' crashing... [kcrash] Warning: socket connection failed: : Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt [kcrash] TDECrash cannot reach tdeinit, launching directly. [starttde] Running kpersonalizer... [kcrash] TDECrash: Application 'twin' crashing... [kcrash] Warning: socket connection failed: : Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt [kcrash] TDECrash cannot reach tdeinit, launching directly. [kcrash] TDECrash: Application 'kpersonalizer' crashing... [kcrash] Warning: socket connection failed: : Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt [kcrash] TDECrash cannot reach tdeinit, launching directly. call failed [kcrash] TDECrash: Application 'tdeinit_displayconfig' crashing... [kcrash] Warning: socket connection failed: : Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt [kcrash] TDECrash cannot reach tdeinit, launching directly. [kcrash] TDECrash: Application 'ksplash' crashing... [kcrash] Warning: socket connection failed: : Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt [kcrash] TDECrash cannot reach tdeinit, launching directly. [starttde] TDE_FULL_SESSION: true [starttde] TDE_SESSION_UID: 1000 [tdeinit] Pipe closed unexpectedly: No such file or directory [tdeinit] DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. [starttde] tdeinit started successfully. [kcrash] TDECrash: Application 'tdeinit_phase1' crashing... [kcrash] Warning: socket connection failed: : Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt [kcrash] TDECrash cannot reach tdeinit, launching directly. ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! [starttde] Shutting down Trinity... [tdeinit wrapper] Warning: socket connection failed: : Connection refused [tdeinit wrapper] Error: Can't contact tdeinit! [starttde] Running Trinity shutdown scripts... [starttde] Trinity shutdown complete. # /var/log/tdm.log: X.Org X Server 1.19.2 Release Date: 2017-03-02 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 4.9.0-4-amd64 x86_64 Debian Current Operating System: Linux rubians 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64 Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.9.0-6-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/ssd--vg-ssd--root1 ro quiet Build Date: 16 October 2017 08:19:45AM xorg-server 2:1.19.2-1+deb9u2 (https://www.debian.org/support) Current version of pixman: 0.34.0 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Jun 4 13:27:28 2018 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" [FIXME] UNCLASSIFIED DEVICE name: hdaudioC0D0 type: (null) subsystem: hdaudio driver: snd_hda_codec_realtek [Node Path: (null)] [Syspath: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/hdaudioC0D0] [8086:293e] [tdekbdledsync] Found 1 keyboard(s) [tdekbdledsync] Syncing keyboard: (AT Translated Set 2 keyboard) /usr/bin/iceauth: creating new authority file /tmp/1033582353/.ICEauthority # --- before / after login attempt --- tdecore (TDEAccel): WARNING: TDEGlobalAccelPrivate::grabKey( Alt+Plus, true, "Walk Through Windows of Same Application (Reverse)" ): Tried to grab key requiring ISO_Level3_Shift (AltGr) sequence. XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0" after 10630 requests (10630 known processed) with 12 events remaining. [FIXME] UNCLASSIFIED DEVICE name: hdaudioC0D0 type: (null) subsystem: hdaudio driver: snd_hda_codec_realtek [Node Path: (null)] [Syspath: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/hdaudioC0D0] [8086:293e] [tdekbdledsync] Found 1 keyboard(s) [tdekbdledsync] Syncing keyboard: (AT Translated Set 2 keyboard) /usr/bin/iceauth: creating new authority file /tmp/1333720498/.ICEauthority

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cups or tde belly ache, kmail can't print to cheap brother lazer
by Gene Heskett 16 Jun '18

16 Jun '18

Greetings all; I am in the process od transitioning to stretch, and there are some helpfull email messages I need to print. . But I need to print them on a brother HL-2140, about a penny a sheet. not of the big ink squirter at 25 to 50 cents a sheet not to mention its in pages per hour speed. But when I send something to the little brother, knotify pops up with the following message: A print error occurred. Error message received from system: Error while reading filter description for (bold>) true. Empty command line received. This printer is shared and works fine from any other machine on my 6 machine home network, it only miss-behaves from kmail. Up to date TDE r14.0.0.5 install. Any clues? -- Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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