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Couple of problems with V3.5.13
by leee 22 Jan '12

22 Jan '12

Hi, I've just upgraded a couple of my Debian Squeeze systems to Trinity V3.5.13 and I've hit a couple of problems straight away, one very serious and the other less so. I haven't checked the full Trinity/KDE suite yet for any other problems but the two I've had so far mean I'm going to have to regress - which will take a lot of time and will not be fun. The lesser of the two problems is that ksysguard can no longer see the lm-sensors readings. Xsensors still worked, confirming that lm-sensors was still ok, so I tried regressing ksysguardd & ksysguard back to V3.5.12, which was only partly successfull; whilst ksysguard V3.5.12 would now pick up the lm-sensors data when run as a desktop app, the panel applet failed completely, telling me I should check my installation. The more serious problem concerns the changes to kdm and the kdm greeter. One of the systems I upgraded is used primarily as a render node and has no keyboard, mouse or monitor attached to it - I maintain and configure it entirely via vnc. I noticed that, after logging into it via ssh and running 'top', kdm_greet was 'thrashing', using ~99% cpu. When I actually started a Trinity session kdm_greet cpu dropped to ~85% but artsd was now using ~10% cpu and kicker was using ~2% cpu. After artsd 'timed-out' its cpu usage dropped and kdm_greet picked up the slack, rising back up to ~97% cpu. Kicker cpu remained at ~2%. I found the earlier thread in the mailing list archives concerning disabling the Ctrl/Alt/Delete 'feature' and while this does indeed stop the Ctrl/Alt/Del feature on the other system I upgraded, which does have a kb, mouse & screen, it did nothing to stop kdm-greet from thrashing the cpu on the 'headless' system. This is a _big_ show stopper, for me at least, hence the _need_ to regress. I'm also a bit perturbed as to why this change to kdm was made in the first place. I moved to KDE3 because Gnome had been dumbed down too much and because the Gnome devs seemed intent on on forcing people to work in the way that _they_ thought people should work. I subsequently moved to Trinity because of similar issues with KDE4 but now Trinity seems to be showing signs of following along the same path. Whilst this new Ctrl/Alt/Del 'feature' may have seemed like a 'Good Idea' at the time it was not one of the original features of KDE3 and significantly changes its behaviour. However, it was precisely because I wanted retain the original KDE behaviour that I switched to Trinity in the first place. Another change I noticed after the upgrade that showed similar signs of this trend was that the Reveal Desktop applet had been added to my Quick Launcher tray. Now personally, I don't have _any_ desktop icons, precisely because I don't want to have to waste time revealing the desktop to get at a hidden icon and then have to re-show all the windows I had open, which is why I use the quick launcher in the first place (and in any case I wouldn't/don't have desktop icons for specific data items either because there isn't enough desktop real estate, even at 1920x1200 for all the different data items I use). Sure, this one was easily fixed, first by making it removable (it was pegged as unremovable) and then removing it, but why was it force-added when, if I had wanted it, it would have already been there in the first place? I'm now a bit confused about the purpose of Trinity. I was under the impression that the project was started to so that people who knew what they were doing and knew how they wanted to work could continue to do so without having changes to their systems and workflows forced upon them. In this context, it seemed that Trinity was never intended to challenge the other mainstream desktop environments, which have been dumbed down by their developers to force their [the developer's] ideas of best practice upon a perceived lowest common denominator user. If this is/was the case then that old maxim applies - it if isn't broke, don't try to fix it. Now whilst I have to admit that my first post to this list has been rather critical I'd like to emphasise that I'm not trying to flame anyone here; far from it in fact. So far, Trinity has been a godsend to me, enabling me to carry on working how _I_ want to work, for which I am very greatfull indeed. However, I do need to decide though, whether I'm going to be able to continue using it for the foreseeable future. Regards, LeeE

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Advice on an easy way to mirror/download the Trinity debian repository it's entirety...
by Erik Henk van Asperen 21 Jan '12

21 Jan '12

Hello, I'd like to mirror/download the Debian repository of Trinity to my local machine. This because I want to create my own Debian AMD64/i386 CD/DVD just as there are (already) Kubuntu based ones (in http://depot-trinity.dotriver.eu/cdimages/kubuntu/maverick/) Is there an easy way to do this (FTP server)? I tried to search for a FAQ (RTFM?) on this topic on this website (and on the web) but sofar the answers are less then satisfying. Many thanks in advance for any advice on this! Erik van Asperen.

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[Cross-Post] Meeting soon
by Robert Xu 21 Jan '12

21 Jan '12

There will be a meeting 01-02 February 2012, depending on your time zone, in #trinity-desktop-meeting. No time has been set yet, however, a list of topics to address do need to be made. As usual, feel free to suggest topics, ideas, anything. If you cannot attend, logs will be up ~5-6 hours after the meeting. -- later daze. :: Robert Xu :: rxu.lincomlinux.org :: protocol.by/rxu

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A wish for KMail...
by Patrick Serru 20 Jan '12

20 Jan '12

Hi everybody, I use the filter for all my POP accounts: Window "Configure KMail" -> Accounts -> Receiving messages -> Window "Edit Account" -> (POP account) check box "Filter messages if they are larger than 100 bytes". It opens a dialogue (see attached snapshot) with three radio buttons that allow, for each message, to: - Download the message (which will then appear "normaly" in KMail) - Leave the message on the server, - Delete the message from the server without downloading it. The radio button "leave on server" is checked by default, it makes sense. I do not know if many of us use this filter... With a limit set to 100 bytes for all POP accounts, I can say that all messages are filtered. My idea is not the honor to spammers by a download. I have "bins / trash" email accounts where spammers have fun, and email accounts more serious. The problem is that there are sometimes hundreds of messages, and depending on the account, almost all to be downloaded or nearly all, to be thrown. I am interested in the title line of the table of the filter dialogue, the one that allows possibly, by a click, sorting of the emails by subjects, by senders, recipients, etc. It begins (left hand) by a green icon representing the columns of buttons for mails "to be downloaded". Then at the left of this icon, a yellow one for "mail to stay on the server". Finally, a red cross for "mails to be deleted from the server". My hope is that if I click on the green icon (first left), all the radio buttons" to be Downloaded" ** to be enabled (activated). Same with the red cross. ** One could imagine that these cliques would only work for messages that still have their button "keep on server" active, but we must have the possibility to put them back in the "leave on server" state, in case of click error... That's it. I hope that I have been clear! I know that the project is far from being ready for the application of this kind of wishes, but in six months, maybe? Cheers, Patrick

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The Trinity logo
by E. Liddell 19 Jan '12

19 Jan '12

(Note: if you're also reading the dev mailing list, you already know about all of this.) There has been some interest in creating a new logo for Trinity as part of the ongoing rebranding effort. The current logo is too similar to KDE's (which is trademarked), and we want to avoid any confusion between us and them. Anyone interested is invited to 1. submit a design for the logo or 2. vote on the designs we already have. L0ner sh4dou has offered two designs, which you can view at http://db.tt/LwqZWTuP and http://db.tt/YpivoAGk . For those who would like a little context, his original dev-list email can be found at http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::4374 I submitted nine designs, which you can view at http://postimage.org/image/5g0xh97rr/ . I freely admit that several of them are no good. Again, for context, you can find my original dev-list email at http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::4501 There has also been some talk about adding additional desktop backgrounds, icon themes, and/or QT widget themes to kdeartwork, so if anyone has anything interesting along those lines, please drop a link to the list.

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Let's end this kind of review
by Darrell Anderson 19 Jan '12

19 Jan '12

Article: http://www.datamation.com/open-source/the-fragmentation-of-the-linux-deskto… End of the first page: "...Because maintaining and updating the code is a huge effort, and the development team is small, TDE does suffer from more bugs than you may be used to...." Our release date goal is May 2012, but let's not release R14.0.0 unless all significant blocker, critical, and major bugs are resolved. :) I would like to ask that we consider point releases when serious bugs need to be backported to a current release. For example, when we need to release R14.0.1 then we build and release new packages. I don't think any of us have been doing that. Just thinking out loud.... Darrell

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VMWARE player complains about libcanberra-gtk-module
by daniele.manghi＠libero.it 19 Jan '12

19 Jan '12

Good morning. I've installed vmplayer on my Maverick+Trinity. Installationrun ok, but vmplayer refuses to start the guest operating system telling it is missing libcanberra-gtk-module.so. However, if try to installlibcanberra-gtk-module using apt-get, this one tells that the package is alreadyinstalled and at the most recent level. Besides, a 'locate' run finds /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.soso, what's really the problem ? Do you know if there is a way to bypass it ? ThanksDaniele Manghi

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cmake build options - amarok
by Mike Howard 18 Jan '12

18 Jan '12

Hi All, I have a question of a similar nature to Darrell's earlier in the list (entitled Building tdesdk with cmake) but in this case about Amarok, though the answer may well apply to other packages. When building the good old fashioned way, I would have used '--enable-postgres' (amongst other options) but there appears no cmake equivalent. I had hoped that the configure/build process would detect that the depends are available and build in support automatically but that is not the case, at least for me. So, how, using cmake, do I specify that I want postgres support? Cheers, Mike. -- Any question is easy if you know the answer!

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Building tdesdk with cmake
by Darrell Anderson 17 Jan '12

17 Jan '12

GIT 2678 tdesdk was built with automake, but now in GIT is built with cmake. In my previous automake build script I had these two build options: --with-apr-config=/usr/bin/apr-1-config --with-apu-config=/usr/bin/apu-1-config Are these build options necessary in the cmake version or are they automatically detected? I don't see anything obvious in the cmake files. Darrell

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KDE 3.5.13 up ! and Kaffeine OSD
by pierre.lag6633＠free.fr 17 Jan '12

17 Jan '12

Hi, Just succeeded in downloading and installing Kaffeine 3.5.13 (and some other parts) on a brand new Linux Mint 12 (Lisa) OS install. So thank you so much for the work, it's great. Only worry so far is the colours of the OSD. I saw there were some posts around here http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.desktop.trinity.devel/1975 about that issue, but no changes in xine configuration has any effect on the problem. So I made some more investigations. I have a 3.5.12 version rolling on the same machine on a Debian Squeeze third boot disk, so I simply and roughly compare and replace some pieces to see what was the origin of this presumably bug. Finally, replacing only the libxinepart.so in /opt/trinity/lib/trinity of Lisa by the 3.5.12 version I have in /opt/trinity/lib/kde3 of Squeeze (name of directory seems to have change between these two versions) changes back the OSD to its initial colours. If it can help further more : Squeeze version date : sam. 14 août 2010 09:29:58 Lisa version date : sam. 15 oct. 2011 02:35:36 So I presume this library has something related to that issue. I'm not a developer, but if I can help comparing source or finding more information, just let me know. I can easily compare versions as they are both rolling on the same machine ;). Cheers and thanks so much again for your fantastic work at TDE. Pierre

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