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Need feedback on feature idea: Keyboard layouts set up on first start
by blu.256 14 Jan '23

14 Jan '23

Hello everyone! I have been working on some fixes improvements to KXkb, the TDE keyboard tool and layout switcher¹. The fixes should make configuring keyboard layouts easier and should solve some long-standing issues with keyboard switching (e.g. Bugzilla issue #100). One of the improvements that I have been thinking to include but for which I need user feedback concerns TDEPersonalizer, the wizard that gets shown on the first run of the desktop, or later, at users' choice. The first step of this wizard lets you choose your country and system language. The idea is that based on this information, the keyboard layouts will be conveniently set up for you with a sane default, with minimal need for user feedback (who can later adjust this default manually). But the problem is that I am not sure what that default should be. If you consider, for example, cyrillic languages or greek, a good default, in my opinion, would be a combination of the standard latin layout (English) plus the layout of that language (so you have two layouts that you can switch between). If you take languages based on the latin alphabet though (e.g. Italian, French, Czech etc.) users might not actually need a latin layout, so they will be fine with just the layout of the keyboard layout of their own language. A good solution IMO would be adding a checkbox just below country and language selection that would let you enable/disable the English layout. This checkbox would not be shown if the language you selected is already English (US, UK or any variant). So, I am asking for your feedback, especially those of you who use non-English keyboard layouts: What do you think of this idea? Do you think the checkbox approach is good enough? What should be the default state of the checkbox, enable or disable English layout? Please take in mind beginner Trinity users too. Your feedback will be greatly appreciated! -- Philippe MAVRIDIS ¹ The relevant pull request is here: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/304 You can take a look at the discussion that has already happened thereif you want. P.S. I've been having problems with GMail and the mailing list. This must be the fourth time I'm trying to send this e-mail. I'm resending this from the e-mail address that I have on ProtonMail.

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Official Mastodon channel @tde@floss.social is alive!
by Slávek Banko 12 Jan '23

12 Jan '23

Hi all, for those who are not subscribed to tde-announcements, you might be interested in information that the official Mastondon channel has been created: https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/announcements@trin… Cheers -- Slávek

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Trying to install Trinity on rhel9
by Ricardo Telichevesky 09 Jan '23

09 Jan '23

Hello, Having problems with dependency on rocky-backgrounds and rocky-logos .... I followed the steps in here ... https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/RedHat_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Inst… enabled EPEL, RPMFUSION, installed http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/rpm/el9/trinity-r14/RPMS/noarc… However, if I try to install trinity, I get the message: [super@legendre ~]$ sudo yum install trinity-desktop-all [sudo] password for super: Last metadata expiration check: 0:29:58 ago on Tue 27 Dec 2022 06:14:48 PM -03. Error: Problem: package trinity-desktop-all-14.0.13-1.el9.noarch requires trinity-desktop = 14.0.13, but none of the providers can be installed - package trinity-desktop-14.0.13-1.el9.noarch requires trinity-tdebase >= 14.0.13, but none of the providers can be installed - conflicting requests - nothing provides rocky-backgrounds needed by trinity-tdebase-14.0.13-1.el9.x86_64 - nothing provides rocky-logos needed by trinity-tdebase-14.0.13-1.el9.x86_64 (try to add '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages or '--nobest' to use not only best candidate packages) Tried to add --skip-broken and --nobest didn't help. Somehow the trinity for rhel9 depends on the rocky packages - that does not make any sense, does it? What should I do? Thanks for helping, Ricardo

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Found a free Book for Qt3
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 02 Jan '23

02 Jan '23

Hi all! The 2004 book "C++ GUI Programming with Qt 3 (ISBN 0-13-124072-2)" that's mentioned in http://trinitydesktop.org/docs/qt3/how-to-learn-ntqt.html is available for free now at https://www.researchgate.net/publication/245591968_C_GUI_Programming_with_Q… Things to note: - Names changed from "Qt..." to "TQt..." - compiling by hand needs something like "g++ a.cpp $(pkgconf tqt --cflags --libs) -lstdc++" - "qmake -project ..." will not include the TDE folders, so you'll have to add them manually to the *.pro file - When in doubt: http://trinitydesktop.org/docs/qt3/ Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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Direct shutdown of Block screen (feature request)
by Christian Schmitz 01 Jan '23

01 Jan '23

Hi everyone: First, happy new year. I have a notebook with opensuse tumbleweed and trinity desktop. I configure it to enter on sleep when the lid is closed. I found that several times i open lind and as there is no led or signal that the system is on sleep i press the power button. Actually the system trap the power request, show the unlock screen. But when i write the password the system shutdown. This trigger 2 question/suggest/ideas: 1) The system must allow shutdown even on unlock screen ( or be configurable), is no sense request the password to shutdown the computer because never is required in normal use. ( the login is automatic, and i can shutdown from TDE without password). About software active we can look windows 10 that: Send the shutdown signal and open a "waiting for XXX to close" 2) Normally if the screen is off when the uthe user press power, mean that the user want turn on the computer (only that dont know that already is on). So the user don't want shutdown that is the actual behavior. So i suggest that if the screen is off when the user push the button appear the shutdown options (off, hibernate, suspend ) Best regards Christian -- Be Free, Be Linux

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tdevelop
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 31 Dec '22

31 Dec '22

Hi all! I just played around with tdevelop to build a simple test-application. However, I did not succeed. Is there anybody on the list who has actually used tdevelop to build a TQT3 or QT3 application that actually compiled and worked? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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2 login sessions at once?
by Michael 17 Dec '22

17 Dec '22

Maybe an odd question? Can you run two, or more, logins for the same user at the same time? (Say the normal one on Crtl-Alt-F7 and an extra one on Crtl-Alt-F5?) I have an app that behaves badly that I’d like to isolate to its own instance of TDE. (There’s no fix for it and when it it goes bad it requires a desktop restart.) Doable? Or anyway to do something equivalent? Thanks all, Michael

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Plymouth error
by Thierry de Coulon 17 Dec '22

17 Dec '22

Hello all, As I allready mentioned, I am using MX-Linux at school. I have now installed it on my laptop because it's the only Debian-based distribution I've found where Gnome-Display-Networks is working - which let's me connect my machine with a Microsoft Wireless dongle. To stop any discussion: no, I won't use Ubuntu or Mint, so I haven't tested those. I have installed Trinity on MX and it works well, with one glitch: - If I use TDM (dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity) there seem to be some problem at shutdown, wich leads to - sometime, not always - a failure of X to start at boot (I did not write down the message but it's something about a Plymouth failure). If I log in (cli) and then start X it works. - If I use lightdm there is no problem (except the less friendly greeter). From all this, I have concluded that the problem is linked to the use of Trinity's login screen. While I can live with lightdm, does anyone understand what the problem with plymouth is, and/or if it's possible to get TDM's greeter without plymouth? I seem to remember a time where plymouth had to be installed only for some versions of the greeter - maybe I'm wrong. Thierry

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Arts fail at boot
by Christian Schmitz 12 Dec '22

12 Dec '22

Hi everyone. I have a last fail on my trinity install. Every book appear: The application soundserver (artsd) chashed and caused signal 6 ( SIGABRT) The next is the backtrace. Make refference to some failed symbol (maybe shared library, wich library?) The installed system is a opensuse tumbleweed and make this error from start. If i configure "not sound server" the error dissapear, but kmix cant move the volume. Thanks to all, Best Regards Christian Backtrace: This GDB supports auto-downloading debuginfo from the following URLs: https://debuginfod.opensuse.org/ Enable debuginfod for this session? (y or [n]) [answered N; input not from terminal] Debuginfod has been disabled. To make this setting permanent, add 'set debuginfod enabled off' to .gdbinit. [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] Using host libthread_db library "/lib64/libthread_db.so.1". ==== (gdb) bt ==== [TDECrash handler] #3 0x00007fd55b5847ec in __pthread_kill_implementation () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #4 0x00007fd55b531816 in raise () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #5 0x00007fd55b51a81c in abort () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #6 0x00007fd55b51a72b in __assert_fail_base.cold () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #7 0x00007fd55b529c46 in __assert_fail () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #8 0x00007fd55b213a07 in snd_pcm_close () from /lib64/libasound.so.2 #9 0x00007fd55bd682e6 in ?? () from /opt/trinity/lib64/libartsflow.so.1 #10 0x00007fd55bd4b55a in Arts::AudioSubSystem::open() () from /opt/trinity/lib64/libartsflow.so.1 #11 0x00007fd55bd4b90d in Arts::AudioSubSystem::check() () from /opt/trinity/lib64/libartsflow.so.1 #12 0x0000000000411c2c in ?? () #13 0x00007fd55b51b5b0 in __libc_start_call_main () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #14 0x00007fd55b51b679 in __libc_start_main_impl () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #15 0x0000000000412785 in _start () ==== (gdb) bt full ==== [TDECrash handler] No symbol table info available. #3 0x00007fd55b5847ec in __pthread_kill_implementation () from /lib64/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #4 0x00007fd55b531816 in raise () from /lib64/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #5 0x00007fd55b51a81c in abort () from /lib64/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #6 0x00007fd55b51a72b in __assert_fail_base.cold () from /lib64/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #7 0x00007fd55b529c46 in __assert_fail () from /lib64/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #8 0x00007fd55b213a07 in snd_pcm_close () from /lib64/libasound.so.2 No symbol table info available. #9 0x00007fd55bd682e6 in ?? () from /opt/trinity/lib64/libartsflow.so.1 No symbol table info available. #10 0x00007fd55bd4b55a in Arts::AudioSubSystem::open() () from /opt/trinity/lib64/libartsflow.so.1 No symbol table info available. #11 0x00007fd55bd4b90d in Arts::AudioSubSystem::check() () from /opt/trinity/lib64/libartsflow.so.1 No symbol table info available. #12 0x0000000000411c2c in ?? () No symbol table info available. #13 0x00007fd55b51b5b0 in __libc_start_call_main () from /lib64/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #14 0x00007fd55b51b679 in __libc_start_main_impl () from /lib64/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #15 0x0000000000412785 in _start () No symbol table info available. ==== (gdb) info thread ==== Id Target Id Frame * 1 Thread 0x7fd55bcd90c0 (LWP 1834) "artsd" 0x00007fd55b5d09d7 in wait4 () from /lib64/libc.so.6 ==== (gdb) thread apply all bt ==== ==== Thread 1 (Thread 0x7fd55bcd90c0 (LWP 1834) "artsd"): [TDECrash handler] #3 0x00007fd55b5847ec in __pthread_kill_implementation () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #4 0x00007fd55b531816 in raise () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #5 0x00007fd55b51a81c in abort () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #6 0x00007fd55b51a72b in __assert_fail_base.cold () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #7 0x00007fd55b529c46 in __assert_fail () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #8 0x00007fd55b213a07 in snd_pcm_close () from /lib64/libasound.so.2 #9 0x00007fd55bd682e6 in ?? () from /opt/trinity/lib64/libartsflow.so.1 #10 0x00007fd55bd4b55a in Arts::AudioSubSystem::open() () from /opt/trinity/lib64/libartsflow.so.1 #11 0x00007fd55bd4b90d in Arts::AudioSubSystem::check() () from /opt/trinity/lib64/libartsflow.so.1 #12 0x0000000000411c2c in ?? () #13 0x00007fd55b51b5b0 in __libc_start_call_main () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #14 0x00007fd55b51b679 in __libc_start_main_impl () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #15 0x0000000000412785 in _start () ==== (gdb) info sharedlibrary ==== From To Syms Read Shared Object Library 0x00007fd55be6d780 0x00007fd55be831b6 Yes (*) /opt/trinity/lib64/libsoundserver_idl.so.1 0x00007fd55bd429b0 0x00007fd55bdb1c76 Yes (*) /opt/trinity/lib64/libartsflow.so.1 0x00007fd55bca16e0 0x00007fd55bcb0d87 Yes (*) /opt/trinity/lib64/libkmedia2_idl.so.1 0x00007fd55bbdbb50 0x00007fd55bc06c66 Yes (*) /opt/trinity/lib64/libartsflow_idl.so.1 0x00007fd55bab4ef0 0x00007fd55bb07c52 Yes (*) /opt/trinity/lib64/libmcop.so.1 0x00007fd55b8a9360 0x00007fd55b9a6fe2 Yes (*) /lib64/libstdc++.so.6 0x00007fd55b72c3c0 0x00007fd55b7a2908 Yes (*) /lib64/libm.so.6 0x00007fd55b6f8660 0x00007fd55b70ebf5 Yes (*) /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1 0x00007fd55b51a700 0x00007fd55b67fe8d Yes (*) /lib64/libc.so.6 0x00007fd55b4bb540 0x00007fd55b4df4cb Yes (*) /lib64/libaudiofile.so.1 0x00007fd55b468bf0 0x00007fd55b492356 Yes (*) /lib64/libjack.so.0 0x00007fd55b33deb0 0x00007fd55b3c94f2 Yes (*) /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 0x00007fd55ba3e430 0x00007fd55ba428ec Yes (*) /lib64/libvorbisfile.so.3 0x00007fd55b2f0600 0x00007fd55b306bff Yes (*) /lib64/libvorbis.so.0 0x00007fd55b2c62f0 0x00007fd55b2cf749 Yes (*) /lib64/libmad.so.0 0x00007fd55ba30870 0x00007fd55ba353a2 Yes (*) /lib64/libesd.so.0 0x00007fd55b1e9ab0 0x00007fd55b27d2d2 Yes (*) /lib64/libasound.so.2 0x00007fd55bebd0a0 0x00007fd55bee4145 Yes (*) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 0x00007fd55b17d8e0 0x00007fd55b1ab023 Yes (*) /lib64/libFLAC.so.12 0x00007fd55b0bf280 0x00007fd55b13ff73 Yes (*) /lib64/libpcre2-8.so.0 0x00007fd55b0ae250 0x00007fd55b0b0575 Yes (*) /lib64/libogg.so.0 0x00007fd55ba5f570 0x00007fd55ba618e9 Yes (*) /lib64/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so 0x00007fd55b00b800 0x00007fd55b038a02 Yes (*) /lib64/libpulse.so.0 0x00007fd55af8ce30 0x00007fd55afd18d2 Yes (*) /usr/lib64/pulseaudio/libpulsecommon-16.1.so 0x00007fd55af2ce20 0x00007fd55af5929f Yes (*) /lib64/libdbus-1.so.3 0x00007fd55ae9ca30 0x00007fd55aef4dd3 Yes (*) /lib64/libsndfile.so.1 0x00007fd55ae71710 0x00007fd55ae83cd0 Yes (*) /lib64/libxcb.so.1 0x00007fd55ada4b50 0x00007fd55ae224e0 Yes (*) /lib64/libsystemd.so.0 0x00007fd55acf00b0 0x00007fd55acf25cc Yes (*) /lib64/libvorbisenc.so.2 0x00007fd55acbf260 0x00007fd55acd0e35 Yes (*) /lib64/libspeex.so.1 0x00007fd55ac5f3e0 0x00007fd55aca3adf Yes (*) /lib64/libopus.so.0 0x00007fd55ba55200 0x00007fd55ba55e82 Yes (*) /lib64/libXau.so.6 0x00007fd55ac4f4e0 0x00007fd55ac53a97 Yes (*) /lib64/libcap.so.2 0x00007fd55ab0c640 0x00007fd55abfa9de Yes (*) /lib64/libgcrypt.so.20 0x00007fd55aac8510 0x00007fd55aae8e75 Yes (*) /lib64/liblzma.so.5 0x00007fd55aa12780 0x00007fd55aaac1b2 Yes (*) /lib64/libzstd.so.1 0x00007fd55a9e7300 0x00007fd55aa02227 Yes (*) /lib64/liblz4.so.1 0x00007fd55a9c1550 0x00007fd55a9d5942 Yes (*) /lib64/libgpg-error.so.0 (*): Shared library is missing debugging information. [Inferior 1 (process 1834) detached] ==== (tdehwlib) hardware information ==== CPU core number: 0 Vendor: AuthenticAMD Model: Name: AMD A9-9425 RADEON R5, 5 COMPUTE CORES 2C+3G Current Frequency: 3692.64 MHz Minimum Frequency: 1400 MHz Maximum Frequency: 3100 MHz CPU core number: 1 Vendor: AuthenticAMD Model: Name: AMD A9-9425 RADEON R5, 5 COMPUTE CORES 2C+3G Current Frequency: 3692.71 MHz Minimum Frequency: 1400 MHz Maximum Frequency: 3100 MHz -- Be Free, Be Linux

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Replace <enter> with <shift>+<enter> for OpenSCAD ?
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 10 Dec '22

10 Dec '22

Hi all! Does anybody know if there's a TDE way to replace <enter> with <shift>+<enter> for just one specific application windows? Reasomn is, that the last update broke OpenSCAD input: to vreate a new line it now requires <shift>+<enter> instead of <enter>, which is kind of strange. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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