30 Apr
2018
30 Apr
'18
6:20 a.m.
On Monday 30 April 2018 04:33:18 deloptes wrote:
Yeah, there's the rub. *SIGH*
This is super-paranoid, yet also correct. I have various tricks for
communicating, which do not depend on anything to do with computers or
networks, but rather use items in the real physical world. (This is just for
communicating in case of an emergency, when other means are not trusted.)
I just want to be sure that some of my friends, who live in places that are
more dangerous than the US, UK or EU, do not suddenly disappear. What may
seem perfectly innocent here is not necessarily perceived in the same way
where they live.
William Morder wrote:
The point is that not even the admins on ProtonMail can read the content of
emails, or anything stored on their servers.
This is unlike Gmail (for example), who also use SSL and TLS, but obviously
they have some kind of automated way to read the content of our emails and
know who are all our correspondents.
And I don't imagine that my Zoho account (or any other) is much better in that
regard. Zoho is better only in that they do not bother me with useless hoops
to keep jumping through; whereas in the case of Gmail, I kept getting shut
out of my own accounts, merely because I sometimes logged in from different
locations.
I think that's what I said. There are two (or
maybe three) different
issues here, which it seems are getting conflated by how we keep talking
about it. Number 1 is encrypting our own emails sent by TDE's version of
Kmail, using our own private keys. Number 2 is using an encrypted email
service, which not only encrypts emails in transit, but also encrypts
everything on the server, as well as Number 3, (which was pointed out by
others) encrypting headers, addresses, etc.
How does this would differ in terms of security compared to SSL/TLS?
The mail servers already use TLS.
If you don't control the private key, you don't control the readers, so IMO
it is not a point
My own problem
is that I have correspondents who talk about wanting to
use encryption, but don't seem to know how to do it. I can send encrypted
emails, but they don't seem to be able to read them. They can send
encrypted emails, but then I can't read them. And those who claim to know
what they are doing are generally too busy to spend time on getting it
right.
Not only your problem, but we can not force anyone to use something - if
they want, they can. If they can not - they don't want. My personal
experience shows that people that really need it, also use it.
So perhaps a
few of us (here on the TDE list) could work this out among
themselves, if they can find somebody that they trust?
This is the point. When you really want to trust someone, you probably
would meet him/her and exchange keys face to face. Anything else is somehoe
dubious - but can also work if the one can confirm his/her key.
The point is that the verification can not be replaced by a machine or
application. You and only you are entitled to mark the key as trusted.
I include my signature on purpose now. It does not make any sense to
encrypt messages destined to the user group. But this is an example.
Well, at least your email came through here as an encrypted message. But yes,
it makes no sense to use encryption for the mailing list (except for testing
purposes, which is what I meant). All our messages here are published online,
for anybody anywhere to read.
I have generated my key, but somehow or other Kmail doesn't want to send when
it is signed and/or encrypted.
Bill
Otherwise, you have right there the need for
using ProtonMail or a
similar email service.
I still don't see any advantage, except that the server is secure and not
under US or EU law. Which means the probability to shut it down, or
confiscate it, like it happened in US is much lower.
regards