Hello,
Since I upgraded to the latest version of TDE, when I turn off my computer I often get this message :
"Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /"
Many times I have to wait a long time before the computer turns off. It's annoying when it's late and you want to sleep. Why this message when I shutdown the computer.
Thank you , cheers. André
On Tuesday 13 May 2025 10:33:17 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Since I upgraded to the latest version of TDE, when I turn off my computer I often get this message : "Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /" Many times I have to wait a long time before the computer turns off. It's annoying when it's late and you want to sleep. Why this message when I shutdown the computer. Thank you , cheers. André
Hello,
I don't receive any answer to my question above.
I would like to clarify that this problem occurs when I shutdown in the graphical mode of the TDE menu and not with the command "shutdown -h" in a console mode. Otherwise, I wouldn't have written my problem. above. Cheers, André
On 5/15/25 14:50, ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 13 May 2025 10:33:17 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Since I upgraded to the latest version of TDE, when I turn off my computer I often get this message : "Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /" Many times I have to wait a long time before the computer turns off. It's annoying when it's late and you want to sleep. Why this message when I shutdown the computer. Thank you , cheers. André
Hello,
I don't receive any answer to my question above.
I would like to clarify that this problem occurs when I shutdown in the graphical mode of the TDE menu and not with the command "shutdown -h" in a console mode. Otherwise, I wouldn't have written my problem. above. Cheers, André
Hello.
In my subjective observation, the cause of this could be either arts or display manager (tdm). Personally, I always have problems with these components. Therefore, I have disabled TDM, and I turn off the computer after exiting the graphical environment.
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On 5/15/25 14:50, ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 13 May 2025 10:33:17 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Since I upgraded to the latest version of TDE, when I turn off my computer I often get this message : "Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /" Many times I have to wait a long time before the computer turns off. It's annoying when it's late and you want to sleep. Why this message when I shutdown the computer. Thank you , cheers. André
Hello,
I don't receive any answer to my question above.
I would like to clarify that this problem occurs when I shutdown in the graphical mode of the TDE menu and not with the command "shutdown -h" in a console mode. Otherwise, I wouldn't have written my problem. above. Cheers, André
Hello.
In my subjective observation, the cause of this could be either arts or display manager (tdm). Personally, I always have problems with these components. Therefore, I have disabled TDM, and I turn off the computer after exiting the graphical environment.
To add a bit to the confusion: some GNOME apps delay shutting down for a considerable amount of time, e.g. "obs-studio" is such a candidate. The "do you really wanna qui?" dialog usally does not appear when shutting down, but the shutdown is delayed.
Nik
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On 5/15/25 6:50 AM, ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 13 May 2025 10:33:17 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Since I upgraded to the latest version of TDE, when I turn off my computer I often get this message : "Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /" Many times I have to wait a long time before the computer turns off. It's annoying when it's late and you want to sleep. Why this message when I shutdown the computer.
I don't receive any answer to my question above.
I would like to clarify that this problem occurs when I shutdown in the graphical mode of the TDE menu and not with the command "shutdown -h" in a console mode. Otherwise, I wouldn't have written my problem. above.
In KControl->TDE Components->Session Manager, enable 'Show logout status dialog'. Hopefully in the dialog you might be able to see the process stalling the shutdown.
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
"Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /"
this doesn't seem to be helpful and doesn't seem to be TDE related. Provide better information what exactly is hanging on shutdown. You can achieve this by pressing ESC or enable verbose (remove quite) at boot.
When we know what exactly hangs, one may come up with an idea.
Look here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1264468/shutdown-delay-a-stop-job-is-running... or here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=295529
and finally you may try this https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/vmn5ut/a_stop_job_is_runnin...
but it is always better to fix if possible, what is not working properly.
BR
On Thursday 15 May 2025 22:44:54 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
"Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /"
This doesn't seem to be helpful and doesn't seem to be TDE related. Provide better information what exactly is hanging on shutdown. You can achieve this by pressing ESC or enable verbose (remove quite) at boot. When we know what exactly hangs, one may come up with an idea.
This problem is related to the TDE Logout menu. If I create an icon on the TDE desktop with this command "shutdown -h now", the computer shuts down very quickly without error messages.
what does this message mean ? : "Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /" The shutdown stop and many times I must wait a long time.
Cheers, André
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
what does this message mean ? : "Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /"
to me it looks incomplete. it usually looks like the attached (see https://askubuntu.com/questions/1264468/shutdown-delay-a-stop-job-is-running...)
and you have to know what is causing the issue. I have no idea what -c scope should be.
The TDM uses ACPI if I remember correctly, so it is not exactly the same as "shutdown ...."
I can also not say if it is really TDE or some other package.
but when you know what is hanging, then you can inspect it and solve it
On Friday 16 May 2025 01:55:05 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 15 May 2025 22:44:54 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
"Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /"
This doesn't seem to be helpful and doesn't seem to be TDE related. Provide better information what exactly is hanging on shutdown. You can achieve this by pressing ESC or enable verbose (remove quite) at boot. When we know what exactly hangs, one may come up with an idea.
This problem is related to the TDE Logout menu. If I create an icon on the TDE desktop with this command "shutdown -h now", the computer shuts down very quickly without error messages.
what does this message mean ? : "Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /" The shutdown stop and many times I must wait a long time.
Cheers, Andr
This is just a wild guess, a shot in the dark; but I had something similar happening a couple of years ago. My memory is fuzzy, but I think it was when I was running Debian.
A process called rpcbind (I think that's correct) seemed to hang on indefinitely, and my system wouldn't shut down. Usually I shut down by command line, but sometimes I use the menu; now when I use the menu, I seem not to have any problems.
I don't know if this process was the cause, or only a symptom. I don't have more information, aside from what apt-cache search tells me about it:
rpcbind - converts RPC program numbers into universal addresses
This was, as I said, a few years ago, several reinstallations and unpgrade. I have since switched to Devuan, but don't know if it helped; I know only that I don't see it any more.
Bill
On Friday 23 May 2025 23:23:30 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
If I create an icon on the TDE desktop with this command "shutdown -h now",
Try setting shutdown in the login manager
Where is "the login manager" (as the screenshot attached) ? I do'nt find it... Thanks. André
On Saturday 24 May 2025 13:14:39 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Where is "the login manager" (as the screenshot attached) ? I do'nt find it...
With Login Manager, this is a window to manage the login, (see the screen image). What is the difference between a clickable icon on the desktop, or by the bottom left icon of the tde-desktop taskbar ?
On Saturday 24 May 2025 13:40:35 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
On Saturday 24 May 2025 13:14:39 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Where is "the login manager" (as the screenshot attached) ? I do'nt find it...
With Login Manager, this is a window to manage the login, (see the screen image). What is the difference between a clickable icon on the desktop, or by the bottom left icon of the tde-desktop taskbar ?
I don't understand your question.
I access the login manager from the TDE control center and the login manager is located in "System Administration".
The shutdown section here is set (I did not change anything) to Allow everybody localy, Command for Halt is /sbin/poweroff and command for renoot is /sbon/reboot.
The thread, however, speaks of shutting down.
I usually do this by a right-click on the Desktop, then "log out" and I get a choice of Log out, Shutdown, Restart, Freeze, Suspend, Hibernate, Hybrid hibernate and Cancel, which almost always works (I did not try Freeze, Suspend, Hibernate, Hybrid hibernate on this desktop computer; On laptops Suspend usually works, Hibernate not always).
My system is MX Linux (version 23, based on Debian Bookworm).
Thierry
Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
I usually do this by a right-click on the Desktop, then "log out" and I get a choice of Log out, Shutdown, Restart, Freeze, Suspend, Hibernate, Hybrid hibernate and Cancel, which almost always works (I did not try Freeze, Suspend, Hibernate, Hybrid hibernate on this desktop computer; On laptops Suspend usually works, Hibernate not always).
In the case of OP with poweroff there is a delay, but with shutdown there is no delay, so I suggested to try setting shutdown command instead of poweroff (or may be the script he uses to shut down)
On Saturday 24 May 2025 23:27:09 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
I usually do this by a right-click on the Desktop, then "log out" and I get a choice of Log out, Shutdown, Restart, Freeze, Suspend, Hibernate, Hybrid hibernate and Cancel, which almost always works (I did not try Freeze, Suspend, Hibernate, Hybrid hibernate on this desktop computer; On laptops Suspend usually works, Hibernate not always).
In the case of OP with poweroff there is a delay, but with shutdown there is no delay, so I suggested to try setting shutdown command instead of poweroff (or may be the script he uses to shut down) :
OP = ?
3 solutions to turn off a computer with tde-trinity : 1) Create an executable icon on the desktop : "poweroff" or "shutdown -n now".
2)Open a terminal in root and type : "poweroff" or "shutdown -n now".
3) Use the turn off in the tde menu, you can use the two commands : "poweroff" or "shutdown -n now" yet many times, the tde menu turn-off takes more time, often with this message : "Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /" Cheers, André
On Sunday 25 May 2025 22:41:13 Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Sunday 25 May 2025 15:49:30 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
"Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /"
Reminds me of systemd messages.
# journalctl -b-1 | grep scope mai 26 00:14:49 debian-salon systemd[1]: session-c1.scope: Deactivated successfully. mai 26 00:14:49 debian-salon systemd[1]: Stopped session-c1.scope - Session c1 of User andre. mai 26 00:14:49 debian-salon systemd[1]: session-c1.scope: Consumed 1h 9min 3.712s CPU time.
What is "session-c1.scope" ?
On Monday 26 May 2025 08:52:11 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
This is not correct, it should say "I can use", because the issue is only occuring on your installation and you are not able to identify what is causing the issue
If "I can use", "you can use" too :-)
poweroff seems more speed than shutdown, 5 seconds. Another turn-off command = halt
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
you can use the two commands :
This is not correct, it should say "I can use", because the issue is only occuring on your installation and you are not able to identify what is causing the issue
"poweroff" or "shutdown -n now" yet many times, the tde menu turn-off takes more time, often with this message : "Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /"
BR
ajh-valmer composed on 2025-05-13 10:33 (UTC+0200):
Since I upgraded to the latest version of TDE, when I turn off my computer I often get this message :
"Job -c scope / stop running (min sec ) /"
Many times I have to wait a long time before the computer turns off. It's annoying when it's late and you want to sleep. Why this message when I shutdown the computer.
Which OS do you use?
Failure (or delay) to shutdown from TDM has been a widespread problem here among my various installations on openSUSE, Fedora, Mageia, Debian & Ubuntu going back at least 6 months. Installations it happens on seem too random to discern any pattern of which do, which don't, much less why, and since it happens on shutdown, I not usually of any mind to pursue at least to record that it occurred on the affected installation itself so that with a fresh mind later I might investigate.
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