13 Jan
2015
13 Jan
'15
6:01 a.m.
OK I've now got more time on my hands (university is nearly finished for
about a month) and I want to catch up on things such as translating. I
asked ages ago about how I get to translate TDE into en_AU (Australian
English) but never did find out (I'm assuming because R14 was under heavy
development) so I'm asking again and if at all possible would love to get
into it sometime next week.
So if anyone has advice or knows what I need to do feel free to let me know
what I personally need to do to be able to start translating TDE into en_AU
(and maybe encourage my friends across the Tasman to do likewise for en_NZ
and maybe even Maori).
Cheers.
Michael.
14 Jan
14 Jan
1:12 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Translate TDE?
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OK I've now got more time on my hands (university
is nearly finished for
about a month) and I want to catch up on things such as translating. I
asked ages ago about how I get to translate TDE into en_AU (Australian
English) but never did find out (I'm assuming because R14 was under heavy
development) so I'm asking again and if at all possible would love to get
into it sometime next week.
Translations for TDE are still a bit of a complex area; I have been
wanting to overhaul the translation process for quite some time but am
still waiting for the requisite features to be added to the upstream
Launchpad project. I have tenative word that those features will be
coming in the first half of this year (2015) so hopefully we'll be able to
upgrade and hammer out a proper translation procedure later this year.
In the meantime, the best you can do is to check out the tde-i18n module
from GIT (it's large, so you will need a fast connection for the initial
download) and edit the appropriate .po files with kbabel or a similar
tool.
Adding a new language currently requires someone with GIT commit access
(such as myself, Slavek Banko, or Michele Calgaro) to create the
appropriate template directory within that module, then run an i18n update
to generate a set of template po files. Where things get complex (and why
we need an overhaul) is that every time the i18n update is run any changes
not already merged into the tde-i18n module become difficult or impossible
to merge after the update. As a result, the current mantra for the
tde-i18n module is to pull before you start translating and to commit
early, commit often. ;-)
So if anyone has advice or knows what I need to do
feel free to let me
know
what I personally need to do to be able to start translating TDE into
en_AU
(and maybe encourage my friends across the Tasman to do likewise for en_NZ
and maybe even Maori).
Sounds great; always happy to have new translators on board!
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1:41 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Translate TDE?
Thanks Timothy, downloading now and will at least get a start on it.
Will reply here again when I have the files translated and we can then go
from there.
Cheers.
Michael.
On 14 January 2015 at 12:12, Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>
wrote:
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OK I've now got more time on my hands
(university is nearly finished for
about a month) and I want to catch up on things such as translating. I
asked ages ago about how I get to translate TDE into en_AU (Australian
English) but never did find out (I'm assuming because R14 was under heavy
development) so I'm asking again and if at all possible would love to get
into it sometime next week.
Translations for TDE are still a bit of a complex area; I have been
wanting to overhaul the translation process for quite some time but am
still waiting for the requisite features to be added to the upstream
Launchpad project. I have tenative word that those features will be
coming in the first half of this year (2015) so hopefully we'll be able to
upgrade and hammer out a proper translation procedure later this year.
In the meantime, the best you can do is to check out the tde-i18n module
from GIT (it's large, so you will need a fast connection for the initial
download) and edit the appropriate .po files with kbabel or a similar
tool.
Adding a new language currently requires someone with GIT commit access
(such as myself, Slavek Banko, or Michele Calgaro) to create the
appropriate template directory within that module, then run an i18n update
to generate a set of template po files. Where things get complex (and why
we need an overhaul) is that every time the i18n update is run any changes
not already merged into the tde-i18n module become difficult or impossible
to merge after the update. As a result, the current mantra for the
tde-i18n module is to pull before you start translating and to commit
early, commit often. ;-)
So if anyone has advice or knows what I need to
do feel free to let me
know
what I personally need to do to be able to start translating TDE into
en_AU
(and maybe encourage my friends across the Tasman to do likewise for
en_NZ
and maybe even Maori).
Sounds great; always happy to have new translators on board!
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15 Jan
15 Jan
4:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Translate TDE?
Hello
I'm also asking about translation technical details. The thing is in
TDE R14, which added new useful options but also overflown my
"pi***ing-off" limit of English captions in Polish language
environment. So I decided to do something with it in my free time, at
least in tdebase, and grabbed tde-i18n with Git (over 1GB), then deleted
everything except tde-i18n-pl folder. Now I have PO files which I can
mess with KBabel.
And I have two questions about translations:
1. I'm looking in "fuzzy" or missing translations (Uncertain or missing
translations in KBabel). If they're missing, the thing is simple,
complete it. But sometimes the translation is marked "fuzzy" and looks
wrong. Example: Line 1199 in
https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/tree/tde-i18n-pl/messages/tdeb…
English: "Allows you to choose a different icon for the TDE menu."
Polish: "Allows to choose background for TDE menu."
What to do, correct it?
2. What to do with "&" captions? Use the same letter if is present in
message?
MCbx
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> napisał(a):
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OK I've now got more time on my hands
(university is nearly
finished for about a month) and I want to catch up on things such
as translating. I asked ages ago about how I get to translate TDE
into en_AU (Australian English) but never did find out (I'm
assuming because R14 was under heavy development) so I'm asking
again and if at all possible would love to get into it sometime
next week.
Translations for TDE are still a bit of a complex area; I have been
wanting to overhaul the translation process for quite some time but am
still waiting for the requisite features to be added to the upstream
Launchpad project. I have tenative word that those features will be
coming in the first half of this year (2015) so hopefully we'll be
able to upgrade and hammer out a proper translation procedure later
this year.
In the meantime, the best you can do is to check out the tde-i18n
module from GIT (it's large, so you will need a fast connection for
the initial download) and edit the appropriate .po files with kbabel
or a similar tool.
Adding a new language currently requires someone with GIT commit
access (such as myself, Slavek Banko, or Michele Calgaro) to create
the appropriate template directory within that module, then run an
i18n update to generate a set of template po files. Where things get
complex (and why we need an overhaul) is that every time the i18n
update is run any changes not already merged into the tde-i18n module
become difficult or impossible to merge after the update. As a
result, the current mantra for the tde-i18n module is to pull before
you start translating and to commit early, commit often. ;-)
So if anyone has advice or knows what I need to
do feel free to let
me know
what I personally need to do to be able to start translating TDE
into en_AU
(and maybe encourage my friends across the Tasman to do likewise
for en_NZ and maybe even Maori).
Sounds great; always happy to have new translators on board!
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Hello
I'm also asking about translation technical details. The thing is in
TDE R14, which added new useful options but also overflown my
"pi***ing-off" limit of English captions in Polish language
environment. So I decided to do something with it in my free time, at
least in tdebase, and grabbed tde-i18n with Git (over 1GB), then deleted
everything except tde-i18n-pl folder. Now I have PO files which I can
mess with KBabel.
And I have two questions about translations:
1. I'm looking in "fuzzy" or missing translations (Uncertain or missing
translations in KBabel). If they're missing, the thing is simple,
complete it. But sometimes the translation is marked "fuzzy" and looks
wrong. Example: Line 1199 in
https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/tree/tde-i18n-pl/messages/tdeb…
English: "Allows you to choose a different icon for the TDE menu."
Polish: "Allows to choose background for TDE menu."
What to do, correct it?
Overwrite the incorrect Polish translation with the correctly translated
string.
2. What to do with "&" captions? Use the
same letter if is present in
message?
The letter immediately following the "&" sets the preferred keyboard
accelerator. Typically you would keep the accelerator in the same
location, excepting cases where the destination language is different
enough that keeping the accelerator in that same location would cause the
keyboard shortcut to either make no sense or be completely non-unique.
A friendly reminder to all translators: be sure to submit your changes for
merge as quickly as possible; if the GIT tree changes (no plans for this
for the next month or two) we won't be able to easily merge your updated
translations.
Thanks!
Tim
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11:01 p.m.
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Um I must have downloaded the incorrect tar because the one I downloaded is
302MB.
It was really slow as well. This is the one I downloaded
https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/snapshot/r14.0.0.tar.gz
Is there a particular reason why the accelerator is & in TDE?
Other projects I translate use _.
I've done 6 files so far but I want to get an assignment out of the way
today before I do anymore.
Cheers.
Michael.
11:37 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Translate TDE?
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Um I must have downloaded the incorrect tar because
the one I downloaded
is
302MB.
It was really slow as well. This is the one I downloaded
https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/snapshot/r14.0.0.tar.gz
You downloaded a snapshot without history. That's OK for now, but had we
changed anything in the tde-i18n GIT module since R14 release it would
have been a problem.
Is there a particular reason why the accelerator is
& in TDE?
Other projects I translate use _.
I've done 6 files so far but I want to get an assignment out of the way
today before I do anymore.
Qt (including Qt 5 AFAIK) does it that way. Other projects, typically
Gnome-related projects, use the underscore.
Tim
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11:43 p.m.
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Ok I'll keep working with the one I have then.
Cheers.
On 16 January 2015 at 10:37, Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>
wrote:
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Um I must have downloaded the incorrect tar
because the one I downloaded
is
302MB.
It was really slow as well. This is the one I downloaded
https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/snapshot/r14.0.0.tar.gz
You downloaded a snapshot without history. That's OK for now, but had we
changed anything in the tde-i18n GIT module since R14 release it would
have been a problem.
Is there a particular reason why the accelerator
is & in TDE?
Other projects I translate use _.
I've done 6 files so far but I want to get an assignment out of the way
today before I do anymore.
Qt (including Qt 5 AFAIK) does it that way. Other projects, typically
Gnome-related projects, use the underscore.
Tim
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17 Jan
17 Jan
1:02 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Translate TDE?Hello
Hello
Now another questions:
https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/tree/tde-i18n-pl/messages/tdeg…
Line e.g. 187. The same thing is in KPovModeler.
Is this Qt:: for some purpose or just accident with "Replace all"?
Is there any way to test PO files in running TDE to check will all
translated descriptions fit labels (especially tooltips)?
MCbx
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> napisał(a):
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Hello
I'm also asking about translation technical details. The thing is in
TDE R14, which added new useful options but also overflown my
"pi***ing-off" limit of English captions in Polish language
environment. So I decided to do something with it in my free time,
at least in tdebase, and grabbed tde-i18n with Git (over 1GB), then
deleted everything except tde-i18n-pl folder. Now I have PO files
which I can mess with KBabel.
And I have two questions about translations:
1. I'm looking in "fuzzy" or missing translations (Uncertain or
missing translations in KBabel). If they're missing, the thing is
simple, complete it. But sometimes the translation is marked
"fuzzy" and looks wrong. Example: Line 1199 in
https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/tree/tde-i18n-pl/messages/tdeb…
English: "Allows you to choose a different icon for the TDE menu."
Polish: "Allows to choose background for TDE menu."
What to do, correct it?
Overwrite the incorrect Polish translation with the correctly
translated string.
2. What to do with "&" captions?
Use the same letter if is present
in message?
The letter immediately following the "&" sets the preferred keyboard
accelerator. Typically you would keep the accelerator in the same
location, excepting cases where the destination language is different
enough that keeping the accelerator in that same location would cause
the keyboard shortcut to either make no sense or be completely
non-unique.
A friendly reminder to all translators: be sure to submit your
changes for merge as quickly as possible; if the GIT tree changes (no
plans for this for the next month or two) we won't be able to easily
merge your updated translations.
Thanks!
Tim
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1:50 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Translate TDE?Hello
On Saturday 17 of January 2015 14:02:22 iadest(a)o2.pl wrote:
Hello
Now another questions:
https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/tree/tde-i18n-pl/messages/tdeg
raphics/kpdf.po Line e.g. 187. The same thing is in KPovModeler.
Is this Qt:: for some purpose or just accident with "Replace all"?
Is there any way to test PO files in running TDE to check will all
translated descriptions fit labels (especially tooltips)?
MCbx
Hmm, good bug - this would probably be appropriate to fix in bulk all such
files in all languages.
To test updated translation you can simply use: "msgfmt -o file.po file.mo"
and then copy "file.mo" to /opt/trintity/share/locale/_lang_/LC_MESSAGES/.
--
Slávek
7:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Translate TDE?Hello
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Hello
Now another questions:
https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/tree/tde-i18n-pl/messages/tdeg…
Line e.g. 187. The same thing is in KPovModeler.
Is this Qt:: for some purpose or just accident with "Replace all"?
That was an accident with "Replace all". If you see anything like that
please add it to this Etherpad:
http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/88
Ordinarily I would fix the codebase immediately but that would break
import of the translations being worked on by you and Michael so we'll
just queue up the fixes in that Etherpad until all translations have been
merged.
Tim
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7:54 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Translate TDE?Hello
Timothy Pearson wrote:
That was an accident with "Replace all". If
you see anything like
that please add it to this Etherpad:
http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/88
I'm not sure how that's supposed to work. In Kwickshow
FlipQT::Vertically
FlipQT::Horizontally
10:28 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Translate TDE?Hello
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Timothy Pearson wrote:
It's a collaborative document editor. I went ahead and added those lines;
I assume the capitalisation of QT was supposed to be Qt?
Thanks!
Tim
That was an accident with "Replace
all". If you see anything like
that please add it to this Etherpad:
http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/88
I'm not sure how that's supposed to work. In Kwickshow
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18 Jan
18 Jan
1:54 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Translate TDE?Hello
Timothy Pearson wrote:
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The document is not editable by me using Iceweasel (it isn't even
visible w/ Konqueror, no surprise there).
Timothy Pearson wrote:
It's a collaborative document editor. That was an accident with "Replace
all". If you see anything like
that please add it to this Etherpad:
http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/88
I'm not sure how that's supposed to work. In Kwickshow
FlipQT::Vertically
FlipQT::Horizontally I went ahead and added those
lines; I assume the capitalisation of QT was supposed to be Qt?
Yes, my bad, Qt.
3:01 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Translate TDE?Hello
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On 01/18/2015 10:54 AM, Dave Lers wrote:
The document is not editable by me using Iceweasel (it
isn't even visible w/ Konqueror, no surprise there).
Are you visualizing the etherpad as a general public user or as a registered user?
If you are visualizing as public user, that may be the reason why you can't edit the
page.
Cheers
Michele
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New subject: [trinity-users] Translate TDE?Hello
On Sunday 18 January 2015 01:54:33 Dave Lers wrote:
(it isn't even
visible w/ Konqueror, no surprise there).
? I have problems with Konqueror and have given up using it: it used to be my
main browser, but it is now is painfully slow; but thought it must be
something which had crept into my config files.
Lisi
24 Jan
24 Jan
11:17 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Translate TDE?
Hello
I have a trouble locating few strings to translate. I'm talking about
strings for example in Basket, in right-click tray pop-up menu, Paste
and Quit items. Also Edit and Insert menu in main window.
I've found that these menu items are generated using TDE/KDE functions.
Should I try translating "tde.pot" or "qt-messages.pot" in tdelibs?
Or is i18n of these not finished yet?
MCbx
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> napisał(a):
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Hello
Now another questions:
https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/tree/tde-i18n-pl/messages/tdeg…
Line e.g. 187. The same thing is in KPovModeler.
Is this Qt:: for some purpose or just accident with "Replace all"?
That was an accident with "Replace all". If you see anything like
that please add it to this Etherpad:
http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/88
Ordinarily I would fix the codebase immediately but that would break
import of the translations being worked on by you and Michael so we'll
just queue up the fixes in that Etherpad until all translations have
been merged.
Tim
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25 Jan
25 Jan
12:18 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Translate TDE?
No problem, found it.
It was in tdelibs, already translated.
A quick question, when will repos be back online?
MCbx
"iadest(a)o2.pl" <iadest(a)o2.pl> napisał(a):
Hello
I have a trouble locating few strings to translate. I'm talking about
strings for example in Basket, in right-click tray pop-up menu, Paste
and Quit items. Also Edit and Insert menu in main window.
I've found that these menu items are generated using TDE/KDE
functions. Should I try translating "tde.pot" or "qt-messages.pot"
in
tdelibs? Or is i18n of these not finished yet?
MCbx
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> napisał(a):
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Hello
Now another questions:
https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/tree/tde-i18n-pl/messages/tdeg…
Line e.g. 187. The same thing is in KPovModeler.
Is this Qt:: for some purpose or just accident with "Replace all"?
That was an accident with "Replace all". If you see anything like
that please add it to this Etherpad:
http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/88
Ordinarily I would fix the codebase immediately but that would break
import of the translations being worked on by you and Michael so
we'll just queue up the fixes in that Etherpad until all
translations have been merged.
Tim
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