Between blltty, orca and the new kde, I'm admitting defeat.
if I do a grfx install at all, what can I use thats compatible with tde, so I can install it without using some of Alfreds finest dynamite to demolish whats there and actually install tde.
For that I'll need a trinity.list file for debians /etc/apt/sources.d directory too. The last time I tried this, in late october of 2021 the first tde package created a dependency hell that would have torn the system down, needing yet another install to fix. I'm not kidding, the dependencies would have removed libc6 and all its helpers.
So the first question is how do I install tde to debian-11-3?
Thank you.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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On Tuesday 07 June 2022, gene heskett was heard to say:
Between blltty, orca and the new kde, I'm admitting defeat.
I'm sorry, dependency hell is no fun. No fun at all.
So the first question is how do I install tde to debian-11-3?
The way I've done it is to install a base Debian with XFCE, everything just defaults. I've also done a base install without any desktop at all, no XFCE, Gnome, KDE, etc. No X environment. TDE correctly depends upon "desktop-base" and the X applications and graphical support are all imported correctly with "tde-trinity".
Edit /etc/apt/sources.list with the TDE repository, download and add the signing keys by hand (even though it's deprecated apt-key install tde.asc still works fine).
Since I use dselect for package management, I do a quick search for "tde-trinity" and press +. I'm sure "apt-get install tde-trinity" would work just as well.
That's it.
As an aside, I've also annually archived my .trinity directory in its entirety and by restoring that before the install I have kept all the addresses, defaults, colors, and style which I've created over the years and prefer. But that's all just window dressing.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
Curt-
- -- You may my glories and my state dispose, But not my griefs; still am I king of those. --- William Shakespeare, "Richard II"
On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 15:21:43 EDT Curt Howland wrote:
On Tuesday 07 June 2022, gene heskett was heard to say:
Between blltty, orca and the new kde, I'm admitting defeat.
I'm sorry, dependency hell is no fun. No fun at all.
So the first question is how do I install tde to debian-11-3?
The way I've done it is to install a base Debian with XFCE, everything just defaults. I've also done a base install without any desktop at all, no XFCE, Gnome, KDE, etc. No X environment. TDE correctly depends upon "desktop-base" and the X applications and graphical support are all imported correctly with "tde-trinity".
Edit /etc/apt/sources.list with the TDE repository, download and add the signing keys by hand (even though it's deprecated apt-key install tde.asc still works fine).
And I'm still missing that entry in the sources.d directory. Please cat it, copy/paste into a reply.
Since I use dselect for package management, I do a quick search for "tde-trinity" and press +. I'm sure "apt-get install tde-trinity" would work just as well.
That's it.
As an aside, I've also annually archived my .trinity directory in its entirety and by restoring that before the install I have kept all the addresses, defaults, colors, and style which I've created over the years and prefer. But that's all just window dressing.
And window dressing means continuity. Good idea.
Curt-
-- You may my glories and my state dispose, But not my griefs; still am I king of those. --- William Shakespeare, "Richard II"
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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On Tuesday 07 June 2022, gene heskett was heard to say:
And I'm still missing that entry in the sources.d directory. Please cat it, copy/paste into a reply.
The key is saved by "apt-key add ..." under /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ directory.
Check there.
And window dressing means continuity. Good idea.
I agree.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
- -- You may my glories and my state dispose, But not my griefs; still am I king of those. --- William Shakespeare, "Richard II"
Anno domini 2022 Tue, 7 Jun 18:15:02 -0400 Curt Howland scripsit:
On Tuesday 07 June 2022, gene heskett was heard to say:
And I'm still missing that entry in the sources.d directory. Please cat it, copy/paste into a reply.
The key is saved by "apt-key add ..." under /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ directory.
apt-key is flaged as deprecated, but I have not found what replaces it yet. It's no real issue on daedalus, but I get a warning for virtualbox keys. Interestingly not for the TDE keys that were imported a while back.
Nik
Check there.
And window dressing means continuity. Good idea.
I agree.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 02:14:26 EDT Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Tue, 7 Jun 18:15:02 -0400
Curt Howland scripsit:
On Tuesday 07 June 2022, gene heskett was heard to say:
And I'm still missing that entry in the sources.d directory. Please cat it, copy/paste into a reply.
The key is saved by "apt-key add ..." under /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ directory.
apt-key is flaged as deprecated, but I have not found what replaces it yet. It's no real issue on daedalus, but I get a warning for virtualbox keys. Interestingly not for the TDE keys that were imported a while back.
What is this daedalus you speak of? ddg did not spit out anything but wishfull dreams.
Nik
Check there.
And window dressing means continuity. Good idea.
I agree.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Cheers, Gene Heskett.
Anno domini 2022 Wed, 08 Jun 05:51:27 -0400 gene heskett scripsit:
On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 02:14:26 EDT Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Tue, 7 Jun 18:15:02 -0400
Curt Howland scripsit:
On Tuesday 07 June 2022, gene heskett was heard to say:
And I'm still missing that entry in the sources.d directory. Please cat it, copy/paste into a reply.
The key is saved by "apt-key add ..." under /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ directory.
apt-key is flaged as deprecated, but I have not found what replaces it yet. It's no real issue on daedalus, but I get a warning for virtualbox keys. Interestingly not for the TDE keys that were imported a while back.
What is this daedalus you speak of? ddg did not spit out anything but wishfull dreams.
Devuan, latest version :)
Nik
Nik
Check there.
And window dressing means continuity. Good idea.
I agree.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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gene heskett composed on 2022-06-07 16:30 (UTC-0400):
Curt Howland wrote:
Edit /etc/apt/sources.list with the TDE repository, download and add the signing keys by hand (even though it's deprecated apt-key install tde.asc still works fine).
And I'm still missing that entry in the sources.d directory. Please cat it, copy/paste into a reply.
All that's actually needed is to append to /etc/apt/sources.list the following:
deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian bullseye main
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Debian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions lists three lines you don't need unless you intend to compile for yourself.
On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 20:09:14 EDT Felix Miata wrote:
gene heskett composed on 2022-06-07 16:30 (UTC-0400):
Curt Howland wrote:
Edit /etc/apt/sources.list with the TDE repository, download and add the signing keys by hand (even though it's deprecated apt-key install tde.asc still works fine).
And I'm still missing that entry in the sources.d directory. Please cat it, copy/paste into a reply.
All that's actually needed is to append to /etc/apt/sources.list the following:
deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian bullseye main
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Debian_Trinity_Repository_Installation _Instructions lists three lines you don't need unless you intend to compile for yourself.
Which I occasonally do, but for temps, can comment out. Done.
Thanks, for the heads up.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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On Tuesday 07 June 2022, gene heskett was heard to say:
So the first question is how do I install tde to debian-11-3?
In case the instructions on TDE website aren't perfectly clear, this is what I've added to /etc/apt/sources.list:
# Trinity Desktop deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x bullseye main deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x bullseye main
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Debian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instr...
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On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 15:26:15 EDT Curt Howland wrote:
On Tuesday 07 June 2022, gene heskett was heard to say:
So the first question is how do I install tde to debian-11-3?
In case the instructions on TDE website aren't perfectly clear, this is what I've added to /etc/apt/sources.list:
# Trinity Desktop deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x bullseye main deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14. 0.x bullseye main
These were destroyed by kmail word wrapping because they weren't enclosed with <>
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Debian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_ Instructions
but this one led to a copy/pastetible tde.tsil file I'll rename to activate when I'm ready to install trinity. Thank you very much.
-- You may my glories and my state dispose, But not my griefs; still am I king of those. --- William Shakespeare, "Richard II"
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
gene heskett composed on 2022-06-07 14:40 (UTC-0400):
So the first question is how do I install tde to debian-11-3?
Curt covered sources.list & URIs, so I don't need to repeat them.
This is how I start on UEFI PCs, whether for Debian, or any of its many derivatives:
menuentry "Install Debian via HTTP" { search --no-floppy --label --set=root partlabel3 linuxefi /deb11/linux vga=791 --- net.ifnames=0 ipv6.disable=1 biosdevname=0 netcfg/get_hostname=myhost netcfg/get_domain=my.domain netcfg/disable_autoconfig=true netcfg/get_ipaddress=192.168.nnn.xxy/24 netcfg/get_gateway=192.168.nnn.xxx netcfg/get_nameservers=1.1.1.1 netcfg/confirm_static=true tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false initrdefi /deb11/initrd.gz }
It's trivially different on MBR/Legacy PCs. What's important is not that I'm NET installing by loading initrd and kernel with Grub, but the
netcfg/confirm_static=true tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false
parameters, which produce a basic installation that boots post-installation with working network, and from which TDE is easily installed using the apt/apt-get/aptitude technology of your choice.
Those parameters can be added to Debian installations via burned .isos of all types by typing them in after striking the E key when the first post-BIOS menu appears.
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On Tuesday 07 June 2022, Felix Miata was heard to say:
This is how I start on UEFI PCs, whether for Debian, or any of its many derivatives:
This is likely very helpful going forward. I have done nothing of the sort as all this, the Debian installer has done what's needed to be done without my input.
This looks as bad as editing Xwindows modlines by hand.
Curt-
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