On Tuesday 07 July 2015 23:22:52 Lisi Reisz wrote: By "automatic" I mean "all you have to do is click", not "takes over and updates, including rebooting, when you are in the middle of a long and very intricate piece of work, which will need restarting after the reboot". Lisi

On Tuesday 07 July 2015 23:45:14 midi-pascal wrote: Except after a kernel upgrade. Sorry.. I forgot the smiley! I was thinking of what automatic means to The Other OS. <shudder> And I have come across someone who wanted this in Linux. :-? Lisi

Quoth midi-pascal..... Get a UPS :-) # uptime 07:44:49 up 802 days, 12:27, 11 users, load average: 2.32, 2.44, 1.91 -- Regards, Russell -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Russell Brown | MAIL: russell(a)lls.com PHONE: 01780 471800 | | Lady Lodge Systems | WWW Work: http://www.lls.com | | Peterborough, England | WWW Play: http://www.ruffle.me.uk | --------------------------------------------------------------------

Russell Brown composed on 2015-07-08 07:44 (UTC+0100): Nice theory. Power outages longer than momentary here average about 4X-5X as long as UPS battery charge. It's been years since I enjoyed as much as 200 days uptime. UPS batteries here average little more than 802 days between need to replace them. 3 times in the past 36 months I've had them expire *during* their warranty periods. I spend more on UPS batteries and UPSes than on PCs, but in part that's because they protect the power supplies and motherboards from derelict power company service. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

On Wednesday 08 July 2015 01.07:30 Lisi Reisz wrote: This is a filthy habit brought by Windows, MacOS, Android and iOS. Besides bugfixes, the three companies behind these OS don't want (and obviously don't expect) their users to understand what and why is updated - as I guess many "updates" are _not_ in the interrest of the user, and others would reveal how badly their software were programmed. We allready had the "have you checked for a virus" question any time we asked a vendor about a problem, now comes the "did you upgrade to the latest version". I have many times read about some software: "it has not been updated in the last six month, so it's probably dead". When will someone start advertising his work with "it's so good I did not need to update it in a year"? And what about all these people who update and then fill the forums with compains about what no more works? Just for fun, I've upgraded my (only) Windows (7) setup to Windows 10 (technical preview): given the number of (old) programs than won't run on 10 I can tell you the update in anything but "free" as far as I am concerned. As this was done on a cloned harddisk, I was quickly back to normal. This Windows set up will stay at 7 and continue to be used once a year (on hollydays, when I can go back to infancy and replay games of the 20th century :)) I have more problems with Android - I spend more time selecting all the apps I have to detach from Market so that they are _not_ updated than for the update itself. Although I don't like Ubuntu, I start to hope for an Ubuntu for phones soon... Thierry