31 Aug
2021
31 Aug
'21
2:04 a.m.
Hello all,
In Configure Desktop - Behaviour, one can define what objects appear on the
desktop. There is one catch however:
More machines today use sd or micro-sd cards as mass storage (Raspi is an
example, but my notebooks also do). If I choose to show mounted removable
media, I get my fstab mounted partitions on the desktop, and if I don't want
these, I can't get the dynamicaly mounted USB stick to show.
I doubt there is a way to make a difference between an fstab
mounted "removable media" and a dynamicaly mounted one?
Thierry
31 Aug
31 Aug
10 a.m.
On Tuesday 31 August 2021 02:04:31 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
I doubt there is a way to make a difference between an
fstab
mounted "removable media" and a dynamicaly mounted one?
Thierry
First of all, I am running a desktop computer, not (as it seems) a laptop like
yourself, so I have a different situation. And I use a kind of hodgepodge of
different methods, to be sure that I can mount an external device whenever I
want.
Somehow, unaccountably, a device that would mount automatically yesterday
won't mount today, and this nearly always happens at the least convenient
time, so I want something that will work NOW without a lot of fuss. This
happens most often with flash drives and SD cards, though. My external drives
usually are reliable, and mount without too much fuss.
For the most part, however, I solve the problem by creating custom mount
points, with special user-friendly, human-readable names.
examples:
/media/Fred
~ or ~
/media/<USER>/wd-1tb_mybook
etc., etc.
You can name these special mount points like they were dogs, if you want, or
get more creative, or give them boring technical-sounding names -- whatever.
I put these mount points in fstab along with the other relevant lines, then I
save my fstab file somewhere safe. Next time I must reinstall my system, I
just copy the fstab file from my safe place, and overwrite the original. (I
keep a copy of original settings, just in case.)
This takes care of most mounting issues. When SD cards or flash drives
suddenly stop mounting like usual, I create a mount point using mkdir:
/mnt/SD
then use this mount command:
sudo mount -t exfat /dev/sde1 /mnt/SD
[sda1 > sdd1 are internal drives; sde1 is my first external mount point]
and that usually does it. But I only mount an SD card in order to transfer
files so that I can listen to music on my smartphone, or some such. I don't
use an SD for actual storage, as one might with a laptop.
The only problem is when I want to mount BOTH my external hard drives AND my
SD cards or flash drives. Then that mount point gets moved around, and sde1
may need to be changed to something else.
I have a couple other tricks, too, but I haven't needed them much since
upgrading to Devuan Beowulf.
This ought to provide either a permanent solution (custom mount points in
fstab) or at least a dependable workaround (mkdir /mnt/SD). Also the problem
with mounting an SD card might be solved by formatting the SD card with a
Linux file system like ext3 or ext4 -- I don't even know if that's
possible! -- but then it would not be readable for my smartphone, so I
haven't tried.
I hope that helps.
Bill
12:05 p.m.
On Tuesday 31 August 2021 01:00:24 pm William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 31 August 2021 02:04:31 Thierry de Coulon
wrote:
Made from the same old
fashioned cloth.
I do the same, I use the UUID to setup function specific names.
I also use costum names for partitions and removable drives.
As for formatting. As a rule of thumb I always reformat all drives, hds, ssd,
usb etc. Especially usb drives because the formatting is done my imaging
rather than an actual formatting. These are often flawed or broken. Plus the
fact that MS dos doesn't actual properly format anything. Massive amounts of
empty space before and after the partition. It's a mess.
I hope this helps as well.
Old Kate
I doubt there is a way to make a difference
between an fstab
mounted "removable media" and a dynamicaly mounted one?
Thierry
First of all, I am running a desktop computer, not (as it seems) a laptop
like yourself, so I have a different situation. And I use a kind of
hodgepodge of different methods, to be sure that I can mount an external
device whenever I want.
Somehow, unaccountably, a device that would mount automatically yesterday
won't mount today, and this nearly always happens at the least convenient
time, so I want something that will work NOW without a lot of fuss. This
happens most often with flash drives and SD cards, though. My external
drives usually are reliable, and mount without too much fuss.
For the most part, however, I solve the problem by creating custom mount
points, with special user-friendly, human-readable names.
examples:
/media/Fred
~ or ~
/media/<USER>/wd-1tb_mybook
etc., etc.
You can name these special mount points like they were dogs, if you want,
or get more creative, or give them boring technical-sounding names --
whatever. I put these mount points in fstab along with the other relevant
lines, then I save my fstab file somewhere safe. Next time I must reinstall
my system, I just copy the fstab file from my safe place, and overwrite the
original. (I keep a copy of original settings, just in case.)
This takes care of most mounting issues. When SD cards or flash drives
suddenly stop mounting like usual, I create a mount point using mkdir:
/mnt/SD
then use this mount command:
sudo mount -t exfat /dev/sde1 /mnt/SD
[sda1 > sdd1 are internal drives; sde1 is my first external mount point]
and that usually does it. But I only mount an SD card in order to transfer
files so that I can listen to music on my smartphone, or some such. I don't
use an SD for actual storage, as one might with a laptop.
The only problem is when I want to mount BOTH my external hard drives AND
my SD cards or flash drives. Then that mount point gets moved around, and
sde1 may need to be changed to something else.
I have a couple other tricks, too, but I haven't needed them much since
upgrading to Devuan Beowulf.
This ought to provide either a permanent solution (custom mount points in
fstab) or at least a dependable workaround (mkdir /mnt/SD). Also the
problem with mounting an SD card might be solved by formatting the SD card
with a Linux file system like ext3 or ext4 -- I don't even know if that's
possible! -- but then it would not be readable for my smartphone, so I
haven't tried.
I hope that helps.
Bill
____________________________________________________
12:41 p.m.
On Tuesday 31 August 2021 21.05:48 Borg Labs wrote:
Made from the same old fashioned cloth.
I do the same, I use the UUID to setup function specific names.
I also use costum names for partitions and removable drives.
UUID requires knowing it first, so that's fine if you always use the same
removable drive(s)
My "point" (or rather remark and question) is this:
I usually set up the Desktop so that when I plug in a card or stick it is
automatically mounted AND appears on the desktop. This works well on desktop
computers.
As I said, Raspberry Pi, but also many Laptop I use use or can use some
micro-SD card as mass storage. Typically my Toshiba Z20T uses the internal
card for / and /home, but most data live on the SD card.
If I set the computer up as my desktop, I can plug in a USB stick and it will
appear on the Desktop - but then so does my micro-SD card, which I would
prefer not to see there.
If I untick "mounted removable media", then my micro-SD card no more appears,
but then neither does my USB stick.
I know how to find where it has been mounted, it's just inconvenient...
I think there is no way to change that, I just wondered if anone had a way.
For example, MacOS hides partitions with names starting with .
Thierry
1:03 p.m.
On Tuesday 31 August 2021 02:41:40 pm Thierry de Coulon wrote:
If I untick "mounted removable media", then
my micro-SD card no more
appears, but then neither does my USB stick.
I know how to find where it has been mounted, it's just inconvenient...
I think there is no way to change that, I just wondered if anone had a way.
For example, MacOS hides partitions with names starting with .
Hi Thierry,
I've had the same issue in the past. I never solved it either :(
If a mount doesn't show on the desktop if name "starting with ." then you
should be able to do that and then symlink that to where you actually want to
mount it. DuckDuck this the right syntax, but something like:
ln -s TARGET LINK_NAME
HTH,
Michael
2:08 p.m.
On Tuesday 31 August 2021 03:41:40 pm Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Tuesday 31 August 2021 21.05:48 Borg Labs wrote:
ok I think I get what
you're saying.
You don't want the MSD card to show up on the desktop.
If that's the case, you can do this..
Add the storage media applet to kicker, then to go to configure, then media
tab and choose which ones you want to show up on the desktop. In medium type
you can choose what type is chosen, when mounted or not etc.
Sending images...
As you can see from image 1, I don't have any of the SSD partitions (there are
3) showing up on the desktop. Everything else will automatically show up.
Let me know if this is what you're talking about. We are hitting a language
barrier. English is me second language, Gaelic is me first.
Kate
Made from the same old fashioned cloth.
I do the same, I use the UUID to setup function specific names.
I also use costum names for partitions and removable drives.
UUID requires knowing it first, so that's fine if you always use the same
removable drive(s)
My "point" (or rather remark and question) is this:
I usually set up the Desktop so that when I plug in a card or stick it is
automatically mounted AND appears on the desktop. This works well on
desktop computers.
As I said, Raspberry Pi, but also many Laptop I use use or can use some
micro-SD card as mass storage. Typically my Toshiba Z20T uses the internal
card for / and /home, but most data live on the SD card.
If I set the computer up as my desktop, I can plug in a USB stick and it
will appear on the Desktop - but then so does my micro-SD card, which I
would prefer not to see there.
If I untick "mounted removable media", then my micro-SD card no more
appears, but then neither does my USB stick.
I know how to find where it has been mounted, it's just inconvenient...
I think there is no way to change that, I just wondered if anone had a way.
For example, MacOS hides partitions with names starting with .
Thierry
____________________________________________________ 
1 Sep
1 Sep
12:06 a.m.
On 2021-08-31 16:08:11 Borg Labs wrote:
On Tuesday 31 August 2021 03:41:40 pm Thierry de
Coulon wrote:
Notice that there are no entries in the list that differentiate SD from USB storage.
Can
the system actually see this distinction? If it can, can a user add entries to this list
that will allow specification of different mounting/displaying behaviour for the two
types, or is that something that the devels would have to add?
Leslie
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On Tuesday 31 August 2021 21.05:48 Borg Labs
wrote:
ok I think I get what you're saying.
You don't want the MSD card to show up on the desktop.
If that's the case, you can do this..
Add the storage media applet to kicker, then to go to configure, then media
tab and choose which ones you want to show up on the desktop. In medium
type you can choose what type is chosen, when mounted or not etc.
Sending images...
As you can see from image 1, I don't have any of the SSD partitions (there
are 3) showing up on the desktop. Everything else will automatically show
up.
Let me know if this is what you're talking about. We are hitting a language
barrier. English is me second language, Gaelic is me first.
Kate Made from the same old fashioned cloth.
I do the same, I use the UUID to setup function specific names.
I also use costum names for partitions and removable drives.
UUID requires knowing it first, so that's fine if you always use the same
removable drive(s)
My "point" (or rather remark and question) is this:
I usually set up the Desktop so that when I plug in a card or stick it is
automatically mounted AND appears on the desktop. This works well on
desktop computers.
As I said, Raspberry Pi, but also many Laptop I use use or can use some
micro-SD card as mass storage. Typically my Toshiba Z20T uses the
internal card for / and /home, but most data live on the SD card.
If I set the computer up as my desktop, I can plug in a USB stick and it
will appear on the Desktop - but then so does my micro-SD card, which I
would prefer not to see there.
If I untick "mounted removable media", then my micro-SD card no more
appears, but then neither does my USB stick.
I know how to find where it has been mounted, it's just inconvenient...
I think there is no way to change that, I just wondered if anone had a
way. For example, MacOS hides partitions with names starting with .
Thierry
____________________________________________________
5:58 a.m.
On Wednesday 01 September 2021 03:06:36 am you wrote:
On 2021-08-31 16:08:11 Borg Labs wrote:
This is a great question. I hope someone has the answer. A net search for one
is going very slowly. 10MHz / 286 slow.
Kate
On Tuesday 31 August 2021 03:41:40 pm Thierry de
Coulon wrote:
Notice that there are no entries in the list that differentiate SD from
USB storage. Can the system actually see this distinction? If it can, can
a user add entries to this list that will allow specification of different
mounting/displaying behaviour for the two types, or is that something that
the devels would have to add?
Leslie
-- On Tuesday 31 August 2021 21.05:48 Borg Labs
wrote:
ok I think I get what you're saying.
You don't want the MSD card to show up on the desktop.
If that's the case, you can do this..
Add the storage media applet to kicker, then to go to configure, then
media tab and choose which ones you want to show up on the desktop. In
medium type you can choose what type is chosen, when mounted or not etc.
Sending images...
As you can see from image 1, I don't have any of the SSD partitions
(there are 3) showing up on the desktop. Everything else will
automatically show up.
Let me know if this is what you're talking about. We are hitting a
language barrier. English is me second language, Gaelic is me first.
Kate Made from the same old fashioned cloth.
I do the same, I use the UUID to setup function specific names.
I also use costum names for partitions and removable drives.
UUID requires knowing it first, so that's fine if you always use the
same removable drive(s)
My "point" (or rather remark and question) is this:
I usually set up the Desktop so that when I plug in a card or stick it
is automatically mounted AND appears on the desktop. This works well on
desktop computers.
As I said, Raspberry Pi, but also many Laptop I use use or can use some
micro-SD card as mass storage. Typically my Toshiba Z20T uses the
internal card for / and /home, but most data live on the SD card.
If I set the computer up as my desktop, I can plug in a USB stick and
it will appear on the Desktop - but then so does my micro-SD card,
which I would prefer not to see there.
If I untick "mounted removable media", then my micro-SD card no more
appears, but then neither does my USB stick.
I know how to find where it has been mounted, it's just inconvenient...
I think there is no way to change that, I just wondered if anone had a
way. For example, MacOS hides partitions with names starting with .
Thierry
____________________________________________________ 
31 Aug
31 Aug
1:36 p.m.
Thierry de Coulon composed on 2021-08-31 05:04 (UTC-0400):
In Configure Desktop - Behaviour, one can define what
objects appear on the
desktop. There is one catch however:
More machines today use sd or micro-sd cards as mass
storage (Raspi is an
example, but my notebooks also do). If I choose to show mounted removable
media, I get my fstab mounted partitions on the desktop, and if I don't want
these, I can't get the dynamicaly mounted USB stick to show.
I doubt there is a way to make a difference between an
fstab
mounted "removable media" and a dynamicaly mounted one?
noauto
or not.
Give every removable (and non-removable) device a LABEL. For those LABELs found in
fstab, fstab will control the mounting behavior.
LABELs are much easier for the brain to manage than are UUIDs - LABELs are readily
remembered, and flexible in length. For each LABEL on a removable device, create a
mount point where you wish to access it, and a corresponding fstab entry. Any
without fstab entries are left to be handled same as non-LABELed, automatically
mounted in /run/media/username/*, or as otherwise directed by Configure Desktop →
Behaviour.
You can have multiple devices with the same LABEL, as long as you never try to
have twins/triplets/etc mounted at the same time by LABEL. Those with duplicates
can still be mounted, just not by LABEL. LABELs are readily changeable as long as
not mounted, or not mounted by LABEL. LABELs can be changed as often as
circumstances suggest, meaning if you want to create a clone of one to another,
one can be changed, then restored after unmounting the other, or using other than
by LABEL for mounting.
I have hundreds of installations. None of their fstabs have contained UUIDs for
Linux native filesystems since more than a decade ago.
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