tde-users September 2020

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Migration of services - 3. mailing lists
by Slávek Banko 24 Sep '20

24 Sep '20

Hi all, the third service on the migration list are mailing lists. -- Migration status -- New mailing lists have been successfully created, the archive has been migrated, and users are gradually subscribing to new mailing lists. The link between newsgroups and mailing lists has been updated to new mailing lists. For the time being, there is an active migration agent that exchanges posts between old and new mailng lists. However, it is scheduled to be stopped at the end of October. If you are still subscribed to old mailing lists, it is a good idea to subscribe for new ones and unsubscribe from old ones. -- What needs to be done -- Once we proceed with the migration of the DNS servers of the trinitydesktop.org domain, it will be a good idea to add a DKIM key to the DNS so that we can set up DKIM signing on the mail server. -- More ideas and suggestions? Does everything work fine with the new mailing lists? Do you have any other ideas and suggestions? Cheers -- Slávek

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Change kernel on Refracta
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 23 Sep '20

23 Sep '20

So another question from the distro-for-beginners-coner: Has anybody tried to change the kernel on refracta based live CDs and knows how to do this? The only way I've come up with is to install the distro to a partition (and keep the original users+pwds), make the changes, creata a refracta-snapshot and contuninue from that iso. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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Ubuntu20.4+pre-stable Thinkpad X1: batterie running, screen gets dark trinty freezes
by Uwe Brauer 22 Sep '20

22 Sep '20

Hi I in Thinkpad X1 8th generation I installed finally Ubuntu 20.04 and relevant trinity package from the pre-stable release. Now when the machine is running on batteries and is not used for couple of minutes the screen brightness is dimmed down, but the machine freezes, and has to be rebooted. Is that an Ubuntu bug? Or trinity's fault. Regards Uwe Brauer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Migration of services - 2. git repository
by Slávek Banko 22 Sep '20

22 Sep '20

Hi all, the second service on the migration list is the git server - git repositories. -- Migration status -- The GIT server was successfully migrated. The previously used SCM Manager has been replaced by Gitea. Gitea is a GitHub-style service, so it serves not only as a server for GIT repositories, but as a comprehensive platform - workspace for developers and users. See https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Gitea_Workspace Currently, the primary place to work with GIT is TDE Gitea Workspace (TGW) located on a VPS donated by vpsFree.org. The second instance of Gitea is located in a virtual machine on a new tde-box donated by Integricloud. This second instance is in read-only mode to serve as a second copy that no one can write to directly. The individual repositories between these instances are synchronized every hour. The CGit interface has also been migrated. This can be used for quick searches in git repositories. It is configured to display data directly from the TGW GIT repositories, so there is no delay - commits to the TGW are immediately visible in CGit as well. TGW is connected to the new mailing list commits(a)trinitydesktop.org, so if you want to be informed about all changes in GIT, you can subscribe to this mailing list. If you want to be informed about pull-requested and issues, you can create an account in TGW and turn on the watch on the repositories that interest you. -- What needs to be done -- It seems that everything related to the migration of the GIT server is now complete. TGW has been used successfully for more than two years. Once we proceed with the migration of the DNS servers of the trinitydesktop.org domain, it will be a good idea to change the address for TGW, because the current https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea may look confusing. I would like https://gitea.trinitydesktop.org/ -- More ideas and suggestions? Does everything work fine with the TGW and CGit? Do you have any other ideas and suggestions? Cheers -- Slávek

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Focal: strange behavior of the prompt for the tcsh shell
by Uwe Brauer 22 Sep '20

22 Sep '20

Hi I am running a Thinkpad X1, and upgraded from 16.04 to 20.04. I always use the tcsh shell, with the following setting set prompt = '%B%n@%m:%~\n%T %#%b' That worked perfectly till now However now when repeat a command with left arrow up and then use the right and left arrow keys of my keyboard the cursor jumps the line and make it hard to modify the last command. Any pointers or information would be highly welcome Thanks and regards Uwe Brauer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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DVD automounted
by phiebie＠drei.at 22 Sep '20

22 Sep '20

When I nowadays insert a DVD/CD into the player, the LED starts flashing and the disk spins up. And keeps spinning some 4 minutes, then at last stopping automatically. Very annoying as that spinning is done at maximum playerspeed with inherent noise. Audio, video, data, all the same. On the desktop meanwhile appeared an icon with the title-text of the disk. Clicking on it offers some actions, but not the most needed one "close". I disabled in control center services the media notifier daemon but to no avail, even after rebooting. The icon kept popping up. Where else is a possibility to switch off the autodetect-function? Regards, Peter.

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TDE distro for beginners
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 21 Sep '20

21 Sep '20

Hi all! There has been a question on this list some weeks ago about which TDE capable distro is good to begin with. Now I had the need to prepare a linux beginners course for "windows damaged minds" - and was more or less forced to take a look at the available distros, beginner friendlyness, languge support, speed and ease to use. I found this process to be quite painful, so I decided to give you my personal view of the entry hurdles that M$ victims have to get over and whit what distribution I ended up with. My initial plan was to start with a stock live distro - something advocated as "user friendly, modern, ..", let the students create a live-usb, play with the original ui, install TDE and then get into linux. Turned out to be not that easy at all. From the linux side of view all distros have their right to exists. Many are just not very fund of a user leaving the "right way". From the UI aspect, M$ is a nightmare of a spectial kind and most of the distros mimic that nightmare in a "creative" way, only a few ignore it. So let's begin with UI nightmares that can kill the "linux experience": Window border/handles: 1 or 2 pixel wide window borders or handles as found on M$, AntiX, MX, Mint, all GNOMEs and "modern" UIs. Looks cool and stylish, but is a pestilence when you don't have 800x600 pixel display. For antiX and MX: It took me a week to realize that windows can be resized and not only maximized. Some GUIs have "interesting" behaviour of objects: e.g. AntiX: right click on destop item brings up a menu centered under the cursor, which happens to select "Edit ..." as long as you keep the RMB pressed and executes "Edit ..." when the RMB is released. All KDE based GUIs have UI quirks of their own, e.g. all menues disappear when you press LMB outside the menu - only the dreadful cashew keeps it's menu open till you press ESC (or "Close") - what an easteregg. Only OpenSuSE KDE mitigates this problem: the cashew is disabled. The only distribution with a plain unsable UI is Ubuntu ("slow is the new fast" - it matches M$). Why is the UI interesting at all? It's the first stage where the user can or cannot choose. If choice is difficult, it's not a choice at all - and that leads to the question of "what's the point in linux", which I definity do not want to argue with in a beginners course. So why install TDE at all? Virtually all "user friendly" distributions suffer the "configs are scattered all over the pace"-syndrom. That includes M$, MX, AntiX, all XFCE and openbox *box based GUIs (exeption: refracta-xfce). Most have dreadful "launcher" application that changes it's content depending on the flow of sahara sandunes. e.g. MX: 2 part window, left side chages content when mouse moves over right side or you try to find the shy scrollbar inbetween. Same on all KDE based UIs. On Ubuntu it's different, you don't know what will happen next (most of the time nothing happens). ALL of the non-TDE UIs including M$ ignore laptops or hide the options in a very secret place, e.g. it's quite a surprise to observe what happens when you close the lid. To clearify: You can install TDE on all the tested distributions and you gain functionality and choice by doing so. But on some distributions you loose the built-in goodies (e.g. MX tools), which is a problem - not necessarily for beginners (they might not even notice), but for the poor guy trying to teach if the beginners take notice. Languge settings: almost all distributions have a problem with language selection at boottime. You can choose e.g. german on the bootloder, but it's ignored on the live image. Only the commertial distros get that kind of right, where OpenSuSE does the best job and Ubuntu speaks an interesting variant of german that I have never heared of before - might be marketing-german, consequently it also uses marketing-megabyte and marketing-gigabyte. When the live-image is installed either to disk or live-USB, then the language is set correctly after the next boot. That's a nuicance, but viable - if you find the correct installer in the scattered menues and you don't mind loosing 15 minutes of your time with explanation. Please note that all refracta-based distros have a "Installer"-icon the desktop (exegnu, refracta, MX, AntiX ..). A note on all "modern" UIs: somehow the bad M$ habit to scatter configs and important stuff over equally over all menus has found it's way into linux. There is not a single distibution (exception: exegnulinux) that has an equivalent to tdecontrol. KDE based kcontrol is crippled - that's a KDE problem. Ubuntu has .. I don't know how to say that polite. The MX tools are in a shallow menu reachable from the launcher, you need to always go that menu if you need a different tool. Well, all of that is "business as usual" for M$ users, but I don't like it as it takes time to explain. Comming to the ease of installing TDE on the different distributions: Following the steps in the TDE wiki it's quite easy to do for all distros - if you know enough englisch to follow the steps. That said, the only distribution that requires only one additonal step to get going with TDE in german is exegnulinux (install tde-i10n-de). For all others I need to cheat :) So what's my conclusion? First of all use something with refracta on board if you want to set up a course (Exegnu, refracta-xfce, MX, AntiX ...). You can tailor your image for exactly what you want to teach. All refracta based distros offer the same unmatched functionality in respect of portability. These show no difference to a regular devuan installation. Even LinuxCNC works without problems :) Keep in mind, that the HD installation will not always boot from USB, so use live-usb-installer. My ranking list: - Exegnulinux ist the easiest to handle (beowulf). - Refracta-xfce gives a well configured XFCE without any specific tools (beowulf), it's a perfect starting point, too. - MX and AntiX have special tool that do not make your live easier if you leave the right way, you'll need to invest quite some time to get going and you ruin the spirit of the distributions. If you do not plan to go TDE centric these are most likely ideal (and you have a different audience). - Stay away from anything systemd and/or GNOME like Mint, Ubuntu, OpenSuse etc. - on one hand they boot slow (nobody beats Ubuntu! .. ok, M$ is slower but they have decades of experience). On the other all that marketing blablabla that went into these distributions make them absolutely inflexible. Not to mention that you have to find something like refacta for these distros in the first place. - Knoppix: I almost forgot to mention this. It's systemd-free since 8.6. and comes with a lot of stuff. It's a good startingpoint, but the latest verson (8.6.1) is over a year old and the new (9.0) is not availableon the mirrors. For me it did not offer any benefit over the refracta-based distros, but you might think different. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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Latest Trinity+ Ubuntu 20.04 sound ok in Ubuntu but not loud enough in trinity
by Uwe Brauer 20 Sep '20

20 Sep '20

Hi On a Thinkpad X1 (8th generation) I installed freshly Ubuntu 20.04 and the trinity preliminary stable version # Trinity preliminary stable builds deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-sb focal deps-r14 main-r14 deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-sb focal deps-r14 main-r14 I run into a bizarre sound problem. First I had to run the advice found in https://askubuntu.com/questions/1230363/20-04-internal-speaker-audio-is-not… After starting the Laptop I login to the Ubuntu/Gnome environment. There I use either 1. Google Meet 2. Or an application called collaborate To do a video conference. The sound of the partner of the conversation is ok, not as loud as in Windows 10 (which the machine has also installed), but ok. When I log out and log into trinity repeating the steps, the sound I hear is much more silent. I could not try out skype, since the test call does not recoginise the microphone, but this is a different problem. When I open in trinity a new session and login into the Ubuntu/GNome environment, the sound still is low. I tried out pluseaudio or sof-hda-dsp The Micros which are offered are 1. Default System 2. Sof-hda-dsp digital microphone 3. Sof-hda-dsp digital steoro microphone The headphones could be either 1. Default 2. Sof-sda-dsp Speaker+Headphone 3. Sof-sda-dsp HDI3/DP3 OUTPUT (not working) 4. Sof-sda-dsp HDI3/DP2 OUTPUT (not working) 5. Sof-sda-dsp HDI3/DP2 OUTPUT (not working) I am really desperate. I don't have the problem running my Thinkpad X1 (4th generation running Ubuntu 16.04 and the corresponding Trinity version) Any advice is strongly appreciated. The video issue is essential in the Covid period. Shall I try to install Ubuntu 18.04 on the new X1? (I can't use 16.04 because the netcard is not supported). Regards Uwe Brauer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: MX & TDE
by Michael 18 Sep '20

18 Sep '20

On Wednesday 16 September 2020 09:28:49 am you wrote: > On Wednesday 16 September 2020 07:43:53 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > A question to all apt at MX Linux: Is there a way to change the GUI from > > english to e.g. german for the live session? I know I can change it later > > to german when TDE is already installed, but I have to walk a group pf > > people through that process that are a bit older than myself and not all > > speak englisch at all. > > Hi Nik, > > I only speak English, so I’m only going to be able to help sift the MX > Forums for you. These two seem promising: > > https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=57249&p=568310#p568310 > > https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=58025&p=574924#p574924 > > If neither help, I’ll do some more digging! Why do you always get a thought one second after you’ve pressed the Send button?!? You can also try this: - Boot the Live USB as normal - Run the MXPI (Main Menu >> MX Tools >> MX Package Installer) - In tab ‘Popular Applications’, section Language - Select your language - Install Again, not sure it’ll work, and there might be an additional step to set/change the language somewhere. Best, Michael

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kicker does not work
by Uwe Brauer 16 Sep '20

16 Sep '20

Hi In the latest trinity kicker does not work, but freezes, I attach a screen shot Shall I switch to the nightly builds? Regards Uwe Brauer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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