tde-users September 2020

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Re: data recovery - recommendations & strategies
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 10 Sep '20

10 Sep '20

> On Thursday 10 September 2020 11:11:22 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via tde-users > wrote: > > > On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:44:42 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via > > > tde-users > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:27:38 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via > > > > > tde-users > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday 10 September 2020, William Morder via tde-users wrote: > > > > > > > Hello again! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I told you that you'd miss me when I'm gone. :-] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, I need recommendations or strategies for recovering data. > > > > > > > I had > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > flash drive become unreadable, after I plugged it into my new > > > > printer > > > > > > > > > to print out some documents that had been long in waiting. Then, > > > > > > > before I could save myself, I had a 1.5 TB hard drive also fail. > > > > > > > On this hard drive is (of course) the source of those backup > > > > > > > copies on the flash drive. This is the partition which I was just > > > > > > > about to backup. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have several hard drives, from 200 GB up to 8 TB, from 20 years > > > > old > > > > > > > > > to brand-new; all are WD, except for one which is Seagate. Guess > > > > > > > which one failed? I forget when I got it, or why I ever would > > > > > > > have got anything > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > WD, or why I would have put anything important there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have used ddrescue to try to recover the data, as well as other > > > > > > > forensics tools. Recovered images (img and iso) are saved, and > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > up space, but I cannot determine if there is any useful content > > > > > > > in what was recovered. The failing partition has not been > > > > > > > deleted. It cannot be read or mounted, so I have just left it > > > > > > > like that, so that I can try to save it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every attempt to recover the data gives the same result: 2 > > > > > > > errors, 3072 B, that cannot be read. I tried using tools to look > > > > > > > inside the saved iso image, but no luck there. I don't want to > > > > > > > erase or format the failing disk partition until I am sure that I > > > > > > > have recovered the data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My last hope is that I have another 1.5 TB hard drive; I could > > > > > > > try > > > > to > > > > > > > > > write the disk images to that partition before I format the old > > > > > > > drive. But first, of course, I would need to backup materials > > > > > > > from that drive, and now I am running out of space again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. And if things were not bad enough, the skies here in San > > > > > > > Francisco are a muddy mixture of orange, black, brown and gray. > > > > > > > At noon today, it looked like the middle of the night. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > > > > > Web mail archive available at > > > > > > > > https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinityd > > > >es > > > > > > > > > > >kt op.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > There's another option but a wee bit expensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Purchase the same model SG drive (or whatever model etc) that > > > > > > failed and swap out the electronics. > > > > > > > > > > > > Assuming there's no mechanical damage, it will work. > > > > > > It's often why I buy drives in pairs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this was helpful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > > > > > It is an internal hard drive, not external. Is that what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > I understand. I mean swap out the IDE boards on the drives. > > > > Make sure to mark the bad one so you don't try to reuse it. > > > > > > > > I've done that only a few times but it works. They must be the same > > > > model. > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > I do have another 1.5 TB hard drive (though I would need to backup its > > > data first); however, it is WD, not Seagate, and I would not willingly > > > buy > > > > another > > > > > Seagate hard drive. > > > > > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > You can't mix boards. They must be the same make and model. > > Perhaps you can buy just the board? Or a used working one? > > > > I've used both SG and WD and have had far more failures with WD. > > I guess it depends on the models and how they are used? > > I currently have nearly all SG drives in the "big machine" the server. > > 12 drives in total with no failures over the last 10 years. > > > > Kate > > > > I always knew that, if Seagate somehow stays in business, then they must have > some customers somewhere. You must be the one. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ 10 years, 12 drives, on a highly active file server / Codec station. No failures, no data loss. Can you argue with that? You do you, I was just trying to help. Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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data recovery - recommendations & strategies
by William Morder 10 Sep '20

10 Sep '20

Hello again! I told you that you'd miss me when I'm gone. :-] Please, I need recommendations or strategies for recovering data. I had a flash drive become unreadable, after I plugged it into my new printer to print out some documents that had been long in waiting. Then, before I could save myself, I had a 1.5 TB hard drive also fail. On this hard drive is (of course) the source of those backup copies on the flash drive. This is the partition which I was just about to backup. I have several hard drives, from 200 GB up to 8 TB, from 20 years old to brand-new; all are WD, except for one which is Seagate. Guess which one failed? I forget when I got it, or why I ever would have got anything but WD, or why I would have put anything important there. I have used ddrescue to try to recover the data, as well as other forensics tools. Recovered images (img and iso) are saved, and taking up space, but I cannot determine if there is any useful content in what was recovered. The failing partition has not been deleted. It cannot be read or mounted, so I have just left it like that, so that I can try to save it. Every attempt to recover the data gives the same result: 2 errors, 3072 B, that cannot be read. I tried using tools to look inside the saved iso image, but no luck there. I don't want to erase or format the failing disk partition until I am sure that I have recovered the data. My last hope is that I have another 1.5 TB hard drive; I could try to write the disk images to that partition before I format the old drive. But first, of course, I would need to backup materials from that drive, and now I am running out of space again. Bill P.S. And if things were not bad enough, the skies here in San Francisco are a muddy mixture of orange, black, brown and gray. At noon today, it looked like the middle of the night.

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Re: TDE mediamanager - missing in root Konqueror ?
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 09 Sep '20

09 Sep '20

> --Zd8EW8UXlbbw5PGzZDvp2pLNzy6T8gInP > Content-Type: text/plain; charsetutf-8 > Content-Language: en-US > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > See if you have the following installed. > > trinity-tdebase-tdeio-plugins > > check for all "tdeio" stuff. > > I've also noticed trinity-tdeio-umountwrapper always gives me problems, so I > > remover it. Just in case you get some odd things trying to umount stuff. > > > > Hi Kate, > what problem do you have with trinity-tdeio-umountwrapper? Just wondering. > > Cheers > Michele > > Hi Michele I think it wouldn't let me umount items from storage media applet. I'll reinstall it later on and see if you want. Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Wicd and the Kernel
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 08 Sep '20

08 Sep '20

Hi humans, AIs and others. I would like everyone who has had problems with wicd to try the following. Boot to kernel 4.19.124. See if it works. If it doesn't, copy the content of wicd-1.7.4-6 to root (as root). Don't just reinstall. Then try again. Let me know what happens. Those who fail to comply, well, I have dolls... Kate The Great (and terrible). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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apologies for the mess!
by William Morder 08 Sep '20

08 Sep '20

I have received word from on high that I, too, was doing it wrong. My apologies for the 293 comments (and probably more, still counting) generated by my mistake. It seems that when we hit reply, then change the header, we are causing confusion in the mailing list. And for those who use threaded messages, it causes multiple threads, or something like that. It seems that there might have been a chain of these events, as I noticed email addresses for both Gene and Nik in the headers. But anyway, I didn't mean to spam the list; weird technical glitches on this side, sent emails were getting rejected for "unknown transport" (which turns out to be, my identity, or one of them). I've been doing it the same for a few years, since I've had this email address. Why now? When I "corrected" my "transport" to my real name, everything worked, but suddenly all those rejected emails sitting in my outbox also got sent, too. My intention was not to make a mess of things, but there it is. I make the mistakes, so you don't have to; I create confusion, so you can see the results of not following good protocol. So the short version is: only hit reply if you intend to keep the topic within the thread. If we go off-topic, then we ought to create a brand-new email, not just hit replay; otherwise, we drag email addresses and related threads upon threads in, and we end up with 293 comments (I hear, but haven't seen them myself). Again, apologies to everybody! And I hope that I've set up this one correctly. Bill jabber/xmpp dr_mojo_contendo(a)hot-chilli.net

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Re: installation instruction: what is the latest release?
by Slávek Banko 07 Sep '20

07 Sep '20

On Monday 07 of September 2020 20:51:39 Uwe Brauer via tde-users wrote: > >>> "MBvt" == Mike Bird via tde-users <ml-migration-agent-AA1CGeSZfcB6iVtQByZ3Ah2eb7JE58TQ(a)public.gmane.org> writes: > > On Mon September 7 2020 00:49:52 Uwe Brauer via tde-users wrote: > >> So for Ubuntu it would be 20.04. But what is the x in r14.0.x > >> there is no link to clarify this. > > > > The r14.0.x link takes you to the current version (14.0.8) without > > you having to know that it is 8 and without you having to change > > your config when it moves on to 14.0.9. > > I am confused > > So the link reads really > > deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x > focal main deb > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0 >.x focal main deb-src > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x > focal main deb-src > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0 >.x focal main > > > X is *not* a placeholder for a number which should be inserted > > So > > deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.8 > focal main deb > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0 >.8 focal main deb-src > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.8 > focal main deb-src > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0 >.8 focal main > > Is wrong? > > Would be good to clarify Yes, Uwe, you get it right - 'x' is not a placeholder, but really an 'x' character. This indicates that in this repository you will get TDE series R14.0.x as new updates will be released in this series - for supported distributions you will currently get R14.0.8. Cheers -- Slávek

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installation instruction: what is the latest release?
by Uwe Brauer 07 Sep '20

07 Sep '20

Hi The installation instructions in https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Inst… Are quite good, but it is not clear what is the most recent version? The instructions read deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x <your-distribution> main deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x <your-distribution> main deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x <your-distribution> main deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x <your-distribution> main So for Ubuntu it would be 20.04. But what is the x in r14.0.x there is no link to clarify this. BTW, should I use that one or the preliminary stable one # Trinity preliminary stable builds deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-sb <your-distribution> deps-r14 main-r14 deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-sb <your-distribution> deps-r14 main-r14 Regards Uwe Brauer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: installation instruction: what is the latest release?
by Michael 07 Sep '20

07 Sep '20

On Monday 07 September 2020 02:49:52 am Uwe Brauer via tde-users wrote: > The installation instructions in > https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Inst >ructions > > Are quite good, but it is not clear what is the most recent version? > > The instructions read > > deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x > <your-distribution> main deb > > So for Ubuntu it would be 20.04. I use a different Debian derivitive, but I think it's 'Focal' (and probably lowercase as well?) not 20.04? Resulting in (snipped so it'd fit on one line): deb http://m...ity-r14.0.x focal main Someone who does Ubuntu, would you add a completed example to the 'Configure the package manager' section on that page? Us ignorant users would appreciate it ;) Best, Michael

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Re: apologies for the mess!
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 06 Sep '20

06 Sep '20

> On Sun, 6 Sep 2020, William Morder via tde-users wrote: > > >If we go off-topic, then we ought to create a brand-new email, not just > > s/If/When/ > > >hit replay; otherwise, we drag email addresses and related threads upon > >threads in, and we end up with 293 comments (I hear, but haven't seen > >them myself). > > That! > > Jonesy > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Agreed and will do. Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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TDE-mailing_list-TEMPLATE - testing-002
by William Morder 06 Sep '20

06 Sep '20

Just giving the new TDE mailing list template a test run. See attachment for how I have set up headers. If you want to keep your email private, and "reply to" the TDE list instead of your personal email, I believe I have got it right here. Included as a special bonus is one of my jabber/xmpp accounts, for when one of our conversations goes WAY off-topic. Bill jabber/xmpp dr_mojo_contendo(a)hot-chilli.net

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