tde-users September 2020

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the lure of unknown distros ~ versus too much stuff
by William Morder 04 Oct '20

04 Oct '20

Since this conversation appears to have gone off the rails already -- at least three or four "leaps" in thought beyond the original question and header -- I am starting a new thread. Please feel free to cut out the excess verbiage. On Monday 28 September 2020 10:10:13 Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote: > On Monday 28 September 2020 17.28:50 William Morder via tde-users wrote: > > > I think the worst thing I did once (some years ago) was to install > > > Kubuntu and trying to install TDE on top of it, quite a nightmare. > > > > Same here. I am still trying to weed out all the unwanted KDE 4/5 krap. > > > > > Uwe > > I think (K)Ubuntu expect their users to use what has been proposed (that's > why there had to be a Kunbuntu in the first place). But that's probably > great if you don't want to (or can't) really learn the system. > > With Debian/Devuan you have a steeper learning curve, but you are rewarded > with freedom (at least when it commes to the DE). > > It took me time to get to use Debian (however I must say SuSE let me learn > to use Linux because of their great manual at thze end of last century) but > I never wished to go back. > > For more control there is Gentoo, but that's quite another world... > > Thierry Yeah, I keep hearing about other distros to check out. When I was a couple decades younger, I used to try out new distros. And it's fun, and if I had more machines on which I could run experiments, while keeping at least one or two machines working soundly, then I would jump in without hesitation. I used to have a room full of Frankenstein computers, all of them built out of parts, used to perform different kinds of tasks, including at least one or two test machines. But now I must be content with just a BIG desktop Frankenstein, although I am trying to get a couple of reconditioned laptops for testing machines and for use as travel. I have the same basic problem with both books and music. To untrained eyes (such as landlords, property managers, etc.), this looks like useless clutter; but I swear, all this stuff is the absolute bare minimum needed for me to accomplish what I have set out to do. There is nothing to be gained in trying to explain to outsiders just *why* I believe that I need so much, because they won't ever get it no matter how well I explain it to them. For the present, I must try to limit myself to keeping things that will actually fit inside my living space; otherwise, there will be nowhere for me to rest my head at night. Bill jabber/xmpp dr_mojo_contendo(a)hot-chilli.net

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ubuntu 16.04 freshly installed does not start after sudo dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
by Uwe Brauer 30 Sep '20

30 Sep '20

Hi On a old machine (thinkpad X200s) I installed Ubuntu 16.04 (64bit) as in the machine (Thinkpad X1) I am using for writing this message. While I installed trinity on the X1 via deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-sb xenial deps-r14 main-r14 deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-sb xenial deps-r14 main-r14 For the old X200s machine I chose deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x xenial main deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x xenial main deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x xenial main deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x xenial main Be it as it may, everything was fine on the X200s till I run sudo dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity To use tdm-trinity instead of lightdm Now when I try to reboot the machine never shows a login but is in the infinite loop. Any idea what I could do (other than reinstalling the whole beast) thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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long standing bug, dates clear back to kde 2ish time
by Gene Heskett 30 Sep '20

30 Sep '20

Greetings all; Once every 3 or 4 moons, the kmail config gets changed despite. the 4 "sticky" buttons in the editors upper right corner being checked. I have reached a conclusion that somehow, my hunt-n-pecking ancient fingers have triggered a hot-key sequence that does this. Its been a problem since kde2 here. I don't know if thats the case, but where is the tde storage of this hot-key data for kmails composer? IMO, if the sticky bit is set, it should be locked, requiring the sticky bit to be intentionally turned off before one of those 4 options at the top of the composer screen can be changed. But that isn't the case, its been changed without a conscious action on my part, probably 70 or more times in the past 20 years. Probably by my fat fingering, but that should be disallowed by any method if the sticky bit it set. It is not protected despite the sticky bit being displayed as checked. Can this be looked at the next time you are "checking kmail's tire pressure"? Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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TQt Tutorials
by J Leslie Turriff 30 Sep '20

30 Sep '20

I'm trying to get a handle on writing an app for Trinity, starting with stuff from the Wiki; but it's a struggle. I Followed Support => Wiki => Developers => Tutorials and Documentation for QT and TQT and hiding under the QT3 API Documentation link (which really points to TQt Reference Documentation (Open Source Edition) I found the Getting Started section. Following How To Learn TQt showed me C++ GUI Programming with TQt 3 (which I have ordered); many of the other links on this page point to a now-deceased TrollTech website. :-( I moved on to Tutorial #1, and after figuring out that references to "qmake" should really be to "tqmake", I tried compiling the fourteen example programs. They all fail with the same error. Example #1 is typical: | $ make | g++ -c -O2 -g -m64 -fmessage-length=0 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector -funwind-tables -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -pipe -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -Wall -W -O2 -DQT_NO_DEBUG -I/usr/share/tqt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I. -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/tqt3 -o main.o main.cpp | g++ -luuid -o hello main.o -L/usr/lib64 -L/usr/lib64 -L/usr/X11R6/lib64 -luuid -ltqt -lXext -lX11 -lm | /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-suse-linux/7/../../../../x86_64-suse-linux/bin/ld: main.o: undefined reference to symbol '_ZN13TQApplication13setMainWidgetEP8TQWidget' | /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-suse-linux/7/../../../../x86_64-suse-linux/bin/ld: /usr/lib64/libtqt-mt.so.3: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line | collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status | make: *** [Makefile:88: hello] Error 1 in which the loader seems to be complaining about setMainWidget, a method of TQApplication. It seems to be expecting to find it in | /usr/lib64/libtqt-mt.so.3 and I see on the web that adding | -ltqt-mt will fix the problem, and several web responses say to use | ./configure LIBS=-ltqt-mt but how would I do that with tqmake? Leslie

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Re: [users] [users] long standing bug, dates clear back to kde 2ish time
by J Leslie Turriff 30 Sep '20

30 Sep '20

On 2020-09-30 00:17:25 Mike Bird via tde-users wrote: > On Tue September 29 2020 21:55:04 J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote: > > Where did you find a handbook for kmail? I have everything Trinity > > installed, but there are lots of glaring omissions (kmail included) in > > the Trinity Help Center (on my machine, at least). > > Works for me in Debian Buster if I just press F1 in kmail. > > --Mike > ____________________________________________________ > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > Web mail archive available at > https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt >op.org Which is really strange; it works now, using F1, Help -> Kmail Handbook, or Trinity Help Center; but it didn't work before when I was reading this thread. But if I press the Help button while in kmail's Settings window, it tells me there's no kmail manual. Leslie --

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Need help with old kmail address suggestions
by J Leslie Turriff 30 Sep '20

30 Sep '20

When I type "trinity-users" into the To field of a new email, kmail suggests | trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net though I have none of the email addresses for the trinity mailing lists stored in my address book. If I type "TDE" it suggests | "Michele Calgaro via tde-users" <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> Where is kmail storing these and how can I get rid of them? Leslie

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Apt sources generated for Devuan distribution names
by Slávek Banko 28 Sep '20

28 Sep '20

Hi all Devuan fans, because we love both Debian and Devuan, we've brought you one little news about PSB and PTB repositories. Recently, we started generating separate apt information for the names of Devuan distributions. This means that for Devuan you can now start using Devuan distribution names in the apt sources lists. It remains valid that the binary packages are identical for both Debian and Devuan distributions, and that it is possible for Devuan to use the names corresponding to the Debian distribution. Our principle that systemd must not be a forced dependency is still firmly held. Note: For official stable repository, we will start generating apt sources for the Devuan distributions names starting with the release of R14.0.9. Cheers -- Slávek

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"TDE launcher could not be reached via DCOP"
by D. R. Evans 27 Sep '20

27 Sep '20

Every few weeks/months I suddenly start to receive the message in the subject line when trying to start programs from the quicklauncher, the TDE main menu or the "Open with..." menu item. Usually, logging out and back in "solves" the problem. Today it did not, and I had to reboot. Is there some less catastrophic way to get things working again when I start to see this message? Doc PS I suspect that some process dies and for some reason TDE doesn't have a watchdog on it to force it to restart (if that guess is correct, it sounds like two bugs to me: one that the process can crash, one that TDE doesn't notice and do something about it). -- Web: http://enginehousebooks.com/drevans

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devuan+TDE dor OrangePi PC plus
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 26 Sep '20

26 Sep '20

Hi all! If anybody has a OrangePi PC Plus, I've created an image with TDE and would like some feedback: https://github.com/zwieblum/devuan-images The RT-kernel does not work 100% on this platform, so there's only an image for OrangePi Zero with LinuxCNC. Those H2+/H3 processors come with a coprocessor just like the BBB, so the realtime signalgerator can be removed from the kernel task and gives way better results than softstepper on ARM (e.g. RPi) Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

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seamonkey small fonts
by Uwe Brauer 25 Sep '20

25 Sep '20

I am running in a new problem. Being old fashioned I still like seamonkey because it offers browswer+mail. However the fonts, especially of the summary lines in mail are very small. I changed all the fonts I can think of, first in seamonkey and then in the trinity setting but no result the fonts size in the message itself I can change but not of the summary buffer. Anybody has an idea? Regards Uwe Brauer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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