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the lure of unknown distros ~ versus too much stuff
by William Morder 04 Oct '20

04 Oct '20

Since this conversation appears to have gone off the rails already -- at least three or four "leaps" in thought beyond the original question and header -- I am starting a new thread. Please feel free to cut out the excess verbiage. On Monday 28 September 2020 10:10:13 Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote: > On Monday 28 September 2020 17.28:50 William Morder via tde-users wrote: > > > I think the worst thing I did once (some years ago) was to install > > > Kubuntu and trying to install TDE on top of it, quite a nightmare. > > > > Same here. I am still trying to weed out all the unwanted KDE 4/5 krap. > > > > > Uwe > > I think (K)Ubuntu expect their users to use what has been proposed (that's > why there had to be a Kunbuntu in the first place). But that's probably > great if you don't want to (or can't) really learn the system. > > With Debian/Devuan you have a steeper learning curve, but you are rewarded > with freedom (at least when it commes to the DE). > > It took me time to get to use Debian (however I must say SuSE let me learn > to use Linux because of their great manual at thze end of last century) but > I never wished to go back. > > For more control there is Gentoo, but that's quite another world... > > Thierry Yeah, I keep hearing about other distros to check out. When I was a couple decades younger, I used to try out new distros. And it's fun, and if I had more machines on which I could run experiments, while keeping at least one or two machines working soundly, then I would jump in without hesitation. I used to have a room full of Frankenstein computers, all of them built out of parts, used to perform different kinds of tasks, including at least one or two test machines. But now I must be content with just a BIG desktop Frankenstein, although I am trying to get a couple of reconditioned laptops for testing machines and for use as travel. I have the same basic problem with both books and music. To untrained eyes (such as landlords, property managers, etc.), this looks like useless clutter; but I swear, all this stuff is the absolute bare minimum needed for me to accomplish what I have set out to do. There is nothing to be gained in trying to explain to outsiders just *why* I believe that I need so much, because they won't ever get it no matter how well I explain it to them. For the present, I must try to limit myself to keeping things that will actually fit inside my living space; otherwise, there will be nowhere for me to rest my head at night. Bill jabber/xmpp dr_mojo_contendo(a)hot-chilli.net

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Re: Reminder of the mailing list migration deadline
by midi-pascal 04 Oct '20

04 Oct '20

On 2020-10-04 1:36 p.m., Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote: > Hi all, > > let me remind those who still use old mailing list, you should consider > subscription for new mailing list soon, because it is planned to stop the > migration agent and stop the old mailing lists at the end of the month! > > See the full announcement that was sent some time ago: > https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/announcements@trin… > > Cheers > Hi Slávek, I registered to the new trinity-users mailing list weeks ago but when I try to login I get: Subscription request already pending Same result for the trinity-devels mailing list... I did not received confirmation e-mail either. Did I do something wrong? Thanks, Pascal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: Wiki - individual application page(s)
by midi-pascal 03 Oct '20

03 Oct '20

On 2020-10-02 11:37 a.m., Michael via tde-users wrote: > On Thursday 01 October 2020 06:37:00 pm Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote: >> It can be seen that using package information as a basis for application >> wiki pages could help improve this information :) >> >> However, it is important to think not only about how different the >> granularity of packages can be in individual distributions, but also that >> not every program has a separate package. For example, kwrite is included >> in package kate-trinity (deb packaging). > Well crap. > > Is there any automated way to get a list of all the programs? > > # # # > > Just installing everything and looking in /opt/trinity/bin/ doesn't seem to > work either? I see a bunch of slaves, launchers, helpers and such... > ____________________________________________________ > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt… > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net > For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net > Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ > Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting > Hi all, A bit off-topic but, may I kindly suggest to add KoolDock to the applications list, which I ported to TDE five years ago and is not part of the list... If not, nobody will know it exists. It is part of my TDE base desktop and it is a really nice app :-) Thanks, Pascal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: KoolDock What is it good for?
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 03 Oct '20

03 Oct '20

> On 2020-10-02 7:25 p.m., BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > >> On 2020-10-02 5:48 p.m., BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > >>>> KoolDock is a nice app docking application. > >>>> > >>>> As I don't want to have any icons on the screen background because they > >>>> are hidden by other running program, I added the apps I use the most in > > it. > >>>> I placed it at the top of my second screen and set the auto-hide feature > > on. > >>>> So even while running a program in full screen I just have to "touch" > >>>> the top of the screen with the mouse to make it appear and start an > >>>> other program. > >>>> > >>>> Well, it is old (since KDE 1.4) but it is easy to use, slim, very > >>>> reliable and has a nice look. > >>>> > >>>> I used it for years with TDE and thought it was a nice goody to give as > >>>> a contribution. > >>>> > >>>> For more information: > >>>> > >>>> https://store.kde.org/p/1081070/ > >>>> > >>>> Enjoy it! > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Pascal > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> I love kooldock. It's very useful. I don't need to have application > > launchers > >>> on the desktop. I just keep dir links and files. Work on the desktop only. > >>> > >>> Kate > >>> The Great and Terrible. > >> Hi Kate "The Great and Terrible" :-), > >> > >> I am glad to see that I am not the only one using this small beauty! > >> > >> I was afraid no one was aware of my one and little contribution to TDE. > >> > >> I have been using it for at least ten years and decided to give it to > >> the TDE community five years ago and had no feedback ever since. > >> > >> Thank you Kate, my self esteem goes one step up! > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> > >> Pascal > >> > > Oh wow Pascal, you ported this to TDE for us? > > > > I'm SOO glad. I use it everyday on all my computers. Everyone > > I've "assimilated" into Linux, loves it. There are, at least 40 people using > > your port of kooldock. How's that for a self esteem boost. > > > > Thank you so much, > > > > Kate > > > > PS consider yourself assimilated! > > > > PS PS, has the air cleared any in Canada? I think that's where you are. > > Hi Kate, > > Yes I ported kooldock to TDE for everyone five years ago. > > I am glad to know that this many people use it! You make my self esteem > goes at least 40 steps up :-) > > I have been Linux-assimilated for at least 30 years now... and a > preacher for it on every and any occasion. > > If I can be assimilated to anything (decent) else, I join :-) > > I leave in Montreal (middle east Canada) so the air has not been that > bad, except strange colors in the sky when the wind was coming from the > south-west. > > Kind, kind regards, > > Pascal > OK good. Stay safe and breath carefully. Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: Wiki - individual application page(s)
by midi-pascal 02 Oct '20

02 Oct '20

On 2020-10-02 4:33 p.m., Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Anno domini 2020 Fri, 2 Oct 14:39:46 -0400 > midi-pascal via tde-users scripsit: >> <snip> >> >> Hi all, >> >> A bit off-topic but, may I kindly suggest to add KoolDock to the >> applications list, which I ported to TDE five years ago and is not part >> of the list... >> >> If not, nobody will know it exists. >> >> Haven't known it existed. What is it good for? I installed it and ran it but nothing happened (well, I got that dialog about running it first etc. ..). >> >> Nik >> >> Hi Nick, If you run it and do not see it, it is probably hidden behind the TDE panel because, it is located at the bottom of the screen by default :-) Pascal >> It is part of my TDE base desktop and it is a really nice app :-) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pascal >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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KoolDock What is it good for?
by midi-pascal 02 Oct '20

02 Oct '20

KoolDock is a nice app docking application. As I don't want to have any icons on the screen background because they are hidden by other running program, I added the apps I use the most in it. I placed it at the top of my second screen and set the auto-hide feature on. So even while running a program in full screen I just have to "touch" the top of the screen with the mouse to make it appear and start an other program. Well, it is old (since KDE 1.4) but it is easy to use, slim, very reliable and has a nice look. I used it for years with TDE and thought it was a nice goody to give as a contribution. For more information: https://store.kde.org/p/1081070/ Enjoy it! Cheers, Pascal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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ubuntu 16.04 freshly installed does not start after sudo dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
by Uwe Brauer 30 Sep '20

30 Sep '20

Hi On a old machine (thinkpad X200s) I installed Ubuntu 16.04 (64bit) as in the machine (Thinkpad X1) I am using for writing this message. While I installed trinity on the X1 via deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-sb xenial deps-r14 main-r14 deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-sb xenial deps-r14 main-r14 For the old X200s machine I chose deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x xenial main deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x xenial main deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x xenial main deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x xenial main Be it as it may, everything was fine on the X200s till I run sudo dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity To use tdm-trinity instead of lightdm Now when I try to reboot the machine never shows a login but is in the infinite loop. Any idea what I could do (other than reinstalling the whole beast) thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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long standing bug, dates clear back to kde 2ish time
by Gene Heskett 30 Sep '20

30 Sep '20

Greetings all; Once every 3 or 4 moons, the kmail config gets changed despite. the 4 "sticky" buttons in the editors upper right corner being checked. I have reached a conclusion that somehow, my hunt-n-pecking ancient fingers have triggered a hot-key sequence that does this. Its been a problem since kde2 here. I don't know if thats the case, but where is the tde storage of this hot-key data for kmails composer? IMO, if the sticky bit is set, it should be locked, requiring the sticky bit to be intentionally turned off before one of those 4 options at the top of the composer screen can be changed. But that isn't the case, its been changed without a conscious action on my part, probably 70 or more times in the past 20 years. Probably by my fat fingering, but that should be disallowed by any method if the sticky bit it set. It is not protected despite the sticky bit being displayed as checked. Can this be looked at the next time you are "checking kmail's tire pressure"? Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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TQt Tutorials
by J Leslie Turriff 30 Sep '20

30 Sep '20

I'm trying to get a handle on writing an app for Trinity, starting with stuff from the Wiki; but it's a struggle. I Followed Support => Wiki => Developers => Tutorials and Documentation for QT and TQT and hiding under the QT3 API Documentation link (which really points to TQt Reference Documentation (Open Source Edition) I found the Getting Started section. Following How To Learn TQt showed me C++ GUI Programming with TQt 3 (which I have ordered); many of the other links on this page point to a now-deceased TrollTech website. :-( I moved on to Tutorial #1, and after figuring out that references to "qmake" should really be to "tqmake", I tried compiling the fourteen example programs. They all fail with the same error. Example #1 is typical: | $ make | g++ -c -O2 -g -m64 -fmessage-length=0 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector -funwind-tables -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -pipe -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -Wall -W -O2 -DQT_NO_DEBUG -I/usr/share/tqt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I. -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/tqt3 -o main.o main.cpp | g++ -luuid -o hello main.o -L/usr/lib64 -L/usr/lib64 -L/usr/X11R6/lib64 -luuid -ltqt -lXext -lX11 -lm | /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-suse-linux/7/../../../../x86_64-suse-linux/bin/ld: main.o: undefined reference to symbol '_ZN13TQApplication13setMainWidgetEP8TQWidget' | /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-suse-linux/7/../../../../x86_64-suse-linux/bin/ld: /usr/lib64/libtqt-mt.so.3: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line | collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status | make: *** [Makefile:88: hello] Error 1 in which the loader seems to be complaining about setMainWidget, a method of TQApplication. It seems to be expecting to find it in | /usr/lib64/libtqt-mt.so.3 and I see on the web that adding | -ltqt-mt will fix the problem, and several web responses say to use | ./configure LIBS=-ltqt-mt but how would I do that with tqmake? Leslie

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Re: [users] [users] long standing bug, dates clear back to kde 2ish time
by J Leslie Turriff 30 Sep '20

30 Sep '20

On 2020-09-30 00:17:25 Mike Bird via tde-users wrote: > On Tue September 29 2020 21:55:04 J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote: > > Where did you find a handbook for kmail? I have everything Trinity > > installed, but there are lots of glaring omissions (kmail included) in > > the Trinity Help Center (on my machine, at least). > > Works for me in Debian Buster if I just press F1 in kmail. > > --Mike > ____________________________________________________ > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > Web mail archive available at > https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt >op.org Which is really strange; it works now, using F1, Help -> Kmail Handbook, or Trinity Help Center; but it didn't work before when I was reading this thread. But if I press the Help button while in kmail's Settings window, it tells me there's no kmail manual. Leslie --

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