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Project status report - tasks
by Slávek Banko 13 Sep '20

13 Sep '20

Hi all, in previous emails we recalled the history of the project and got acquainted with the current infrastructure. Now comes probably the most interesting part - tasks and topics for discussion. Tasks related to the infrastructure and organization of the project will be mentioned here. Discussions about development and source code are taking place on the tde-devels mailing list and on TGW - we will not mention them here now, because they are a different topic. -- Migration of services -- First of all, we need to complete the migration of services from Tim's original infrastructure. We will discuss the individual services that remain to be migrated in separate threads. Here's a quick overview: 1. web server: successfully migrated, several minor tasks remain to be solved. 2. git repository: SCM successfully replaced by Gitea, CGit fully functional. 3. mailing lists: successfully created brand new MLs, archive migrated, users now have time to subscribe to the new MLs and leave the old ones, which will be stopped later on. 4. wiki: successfully migrated, a new TDE skin remains to be created. 5. bugzilla: needs to be migrated or replaced with issues in TGW. 6. weblate: new service on VPS fully operational. 7. automation scripts: up and running and compared to the primary server, all branches are processed, not just the master. 8. crash reports storage service: needs to be migrated and improved, we don't know anything about this service. 9. patchwork: may be canceled, no one uses it, TGW provides much better functionality. 10. primary archive: successfully migrated, reorganized, cleaned up. 11. build service: QuickBuild replaced by reprepro + sbuild, now semi-automated without web interface, need further improvements. 12. etherpad: we should consider copy what we need and move it to TGW wiki. -- Project Legal status + donations -- Subsequently, we need to clarify the ownership of the project, which at the moment belongs to Tim as per CLA document. We shall also discuss about moving from a CLA to a DCO model, since this simplify contributions to the project (and to be fair, DCO has been used so far in most cases already). We will also discuss this as a separate thread. As you can see in the summary in previous e-mail, currently the project lives only thanks to donations from TDE team members. The donation link on the web is linked to Tim's account. Therefore, we have no idea what donation comes there and how they are used. Tim usually mentioned that donations are very low and that they are not enough for Tim's original infrastructure. We have no other information about these donations. In any case, at present, the TDE team does not have any project funding. Although it may be unbelievable, it is so - the project has no cash at its disposal. It all depends on the efforts of TDE team members and volunteers. Once we have clarified the rights to the project, we can discuss how to create the legal status of the project and how to go about accepting donations and hopefully make the TDE infrastructure more resilient. We will also discuss this as a separate thread. Once we have resolved the legal status and donations, we can return to the discussion of project promotion and merchandise. After all, it was a strong discussion that initiated this project status report. You can believe that I would also like to have a polo shirt, t-shirt and other things with the promotion of the TDE project. -- Renaming and moving into main distros -- Another challenging task for discussion is the very sensitive topic of renaming. As you know, many empirical renaming of KDE => TDE, K => TDE has already been done. A more significant renaming of Krita => Chalk was also made. In any case, there are many other programs and libraries that would cause a collision if TDE was installed in the usual /usr path instead of a separate /opt/trinity. I know that this is a sensitive topic, that this will not be of any benefit to our current users, and that it will require a lot of effort. We normally put it off until later, because we always have a lot of other and more useful work. However, we have to keep in mind that if we want to allow installation into /usr and thus also integration into distributions, we will sooner or later have to do the renaming. -- Wayland -- Another important topic that we will sooner or later be forced to deal with is called Wayland. It is difficult to consider this a successful project, because even after 12 years from the beginning of development, there are doubts about the readiness for production use. This begs the question of whether Wayland causes more problems than he solves. However, it is clear that there is a lot of pressure to enforce it "no matter what it costs" and so it may come a time when we need to adapt to it and add integration in TDE. -- Migration to Python3 -- In addition to the renaming and wayland tasks, where we think it will be something on a long term horizon, there is one global task that is already relevant at this time - the migration of the existing python2 code to python3, due to the imminent demise of python 2 from major distributions. Fortunately, this is not directly related to core modules (tdeedu seems to be ready for python3), but it will be important to make an effort to do so. This was the last part of the project status report. Subsequently, we will open discussions, as mentioned. If you have any other ideas regarding the status of the project, infrastructure, global tasks, do not hesitate to respond, or open a separate thread for discussion. I am glad that, thanks to the joint efforts of all of us, we can consider the status of the project to be good. Thanks to everyone - TDE team, translators, users and donors. Cheers -- Slávek

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Spell Check Dictionaries
by Baron 11 Sep '20

11 Sep '20

Hi Guys, I hope that everybody is staying safe and well ! Please could somebody tell me where Trinity stores its dictionary's. Mine seem to have a lot of duplicated words in them and I would like to clean them up if possible. Thanks in advance. -- Best Regards: Baron --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: data recovery - recommendations & strategies
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 11 Sep '20

11 Sep '20

> On Thu September 10 2020 15:49:21 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via tde-users wrote: > > Sage advice. Advice I follow with redundancy. > > I back up important stuff to a "backups" directory, then /home to another > > internal drive, which is raided with another. Then to 2 external drives. > > > > I also make DVD backups. > > > > I lost data once, about 22 years ago. I had to start from scratch. Never > > again. > > I can't afford the time for DVD backups these days but a lot of > our stuff is mirrored, plus sets of three rotating hard drive > backups via rsync over ssh. Your top risk factor then is human > error. > > An unfortunate young lady sysadmin in our group circa 1980 > mistyped a tar-pipe-tar disk-to-disk backup command pipeline > and with the pipe buffer then being a fixed 4KB managed to > truncate every file on the server to 4KB. Took her several > days to reinstall and reconfigure and recover from the weekly > tape backup but she succeeded. > > I once accidentally deleted the wrong LVM volume group when > reorganizing our backup system. After a screw-up like that > it's important not to thrash around and possibly corrupt any > deleted data. After much studying and heartburn vgcfgrestore > fixed things perfectly in an instant. > > --Mike > _______________________________________________ HUMANS? Mike, you need to spray for those. Sounds like you have a good setup. Me, however, I'm old fashioned. I don't believe in anything other than local backups drives (some redudants are stored off site for safety) and DVDs. I have a MASSIVE collection of DVDs books spanning back to 1995. I just popped one in from 96 and copied the data to an ssd, just to see if I could do it. No school like old school. But seriously Mike, spray for those humans. They have diseases. Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: data recovery - recommendations & strategies
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 11 Sep '20

11 Sep '20

> On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:44:42 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via tde-users > wrote: > > > On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:27:38 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via > > > tde-users > > > > > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday 10 September 2020, William Morder via tde-users wrote: > > > > > Hello again! > > > > > > > > > > I told you that you'd miss me when I'm gone. :-] > > > > > > > > > > Please, I need recommendations or strategies for recovering data. I > > > > > had > > > > a > > > > > > > flash drive become unreadable, after I plugged it into my new printer > > > > > to print out some documents that had been long in waiting. Then, > > > > > before I could save myself, I had a 1.5 TB hard drive also fail. On > > > > > this hard drive is (of course) the source of those backup copies on > > > > > the flash drive. This is the partition which I was just about to > > > > > backup. > > > > > > > > > > I have several hard drives, from 200 GB up to 8 TB, from 20 years old > > > > > to brand-new; all are WD, except for one which is Seagate. Guess > > > > > which one failed? I forget when I got it, or why I ever would have > > > > > got anything > > > > but > > > > > > > WD, or why I would have put anything important there. > > > > > > > > > > I have used ddrescue to try to recover the data, as well as other > > > > > forensics tools. Recovered images (img and iso) are saved, and taking > > > > > up space, but I cannot determine if there is any useful content in > > > > > what was recovered. The failing partition has not been deleted. It > > > > > cannot be read or mounted, so I have just left it like that, so that > > > > > I can try to save it. > > > > > > > > > > Every attempt to recover the data gives the same result: 2 errors, > > > > > 3072 B, that cannot be read. I tried using tools to look inside the > > > > > saved iso image, but no luck there. I don't want to erase or format > > > > > the failing disk partition until I am sure that I have recovered the > > > > > data. > > > > > > > > > > My last hope is that I have another 1.5 TB hard drive; I could try to > > > > > write the disk images to that partition before I format the old > > > > > drive. But first, of course, I would need to backup materials from > > > > > that drive, and now I am running out of space again. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. And if things were not bad enough, the skies here in San > > > > > Francisco are a muddy mixture of orange, black, brown and gray. At > > > > > noon today, it looked like the middle of the night. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > > > Web mail archive available at > > > > https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydes > > > > > > >kt op.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > There's another option but a wee bit expensive. > > > > > > > > Purchase the same model SG drive (or whatever model etc) that failed > > > > and swap out the electronics. > > > > > > > > Assuming there's no mechanical damage, it will work. > > > > It's often why I buy drives in pairs. > > > > > > > > Hope this was helpful. > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > It is an internal hard drive, not external. Is that what you mean? > > > > > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > I understand. I mean swap out the IDE boards on the drives. > > Make sure to mark the bad one so you don't try to reuse it. > > > > I've done that only a few times but it works. They must be the same model. > > > > Kate > > I do have another 1.5 TB hard drive (though I would need to backup its data > first); however, it is WD, not Seagate, and I would not willingly buy another > Seagate hard drive. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ You can't mix boards. They must be the same make and model. Perhaps you can buy just the board? Or a used working one? I've used both SG and WD and have had far more failures with WD. I guess it depends on the models and how they are used? I currently have nearly all SG drives in the "big machine" the server. 12 drives in total with no failures over the last 10 years. Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: data recovery - recommendations & strategies
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 10 Sep '20

10 Sep '20

> On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:27:38 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via tde-users > wrote: > > On Thursday 10 September 2020, William Morder via tde-users wrote: > > > Hello again! > > > > > > I told you that you'd miss me when I'm gone. :-] > > > > > > Please, I need recommendations or strategies for recovering data. I had a > > > flash drive become unreadable, after I plugged it into my new printer to > > > print out some documents that had been long in waiting. Then, before I > > > could save myself, I had a 1.5 TB hard drive also fail. On this hard > > > drive is (of course) the source of those backup copies on the flash > > > drive. This is the partition which I was just about to backup. > > > > > > I have several hard drives, from 200 GB up to 8 TB, from 20 years old to > > > brand-new; all are WD, except for one which is Seagate. Guess which one > > > failed? I forget when I got it, or why I ever would have got anything but > > > WD, or why I would have put anything important there. > > > > > > I have used ddrescue to try to recover the data, as well as other > > > forensics tools. Recovered images (img and iso) are saved, and taking up > > > space, but I cannot determine if there is any useful content in what was > > > recovered. The failing partition has not been deleted. It cannot be read > > > or mounted, so I have just left it like that, so that I can try to save > > > it. > > > > > > Every attempt to recover the data gives the same result: 2 errors, 3072 > > > B, that cannot be read. I tried using tools to look inside the saved iso > > > image, but no luck there. I don't want to erase or format the failing > > > disk partition until I am sure that I have recovered the data. > > > > > > My last hope is that I have another 1.5 TB hard drive; I could try to > > > write the disk images to that partition before I format the old drive. > > > But first, of course, I would need to backup materials from that drive, > > > and now I am running out of space again. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > P.S. And if things were not bad enough, the skies here in San Francisco > > > are a muddy mixture of orange, black, brown and gray. At noon today, it > > > looked like the middle of the night. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > Web mail archive available at > > > https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydes > > >kt op.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > There's another option but a wee bit expensive. > > > > Purchase the same model SG drive (or whatever model etc) that failed and > > swap out the electronics. > > > > Assuming there's no mechanical damage, it will work. > > It's often why I buy drives in pairs. > > > > Hope this was helpful. > > > > Kate > > > > It is an internal hard drive, not external. Is that what you mean? > > Bill > _______________________________________________ I understand. I mean swap out the IDE boards on the drives. Make sure to mark the bad one so you don't try to reuse it. I've done that only a few times but it works. They must be the same model. Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: data recovery - recommendations & strategies
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 10 Sep '20

10 Sep '20

> On Thursday 10 September 2020 11:11:22 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via tde-users > wrote: > > > On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:44:42 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via > > > tde-users > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > On Thursday 10 September 2020 10:27:38 BorgLabs - Kate Draven via > > > > > tde-users > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday 10 September 2020, William Morder via tde-users wrote: > > > > > > > Hello again! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I told you that you'd miss me when I'm gone. :-] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, I need recommendations or strategies for recovering data. > > > > > > > I had > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > flash drive become unreadable, after I plugged it into my new > > > > printer > > > > > > > > > to print out some documents that had been long in waiting. Then, > > > > > > > before I could save myself, I had a 1.5 TB hard drive also fail. > > > > > > > On this hard drive is (of course) the source of those backup > > > > > > > copies on the flash drive. This is the partition which I was just > > > > > > > about to backup. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have several hard drives, from 200 GB up to 8 TB, from 20 years > > > > old > > > > > > > > > to brand-new; all are WD, except for one which is Seagate. Guess > > > > > > > which one failed? I forget when I got it, or why I ever would > > > > > > > have got anything > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > WD, or why I would have put anything important there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have used ddrescue to try to recover the data, as well as other > > > > > > > forensics tools. Recovered images (img and iso) are saved, and > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > up space, but I cannot determine if there is any useful content > > > > > > > in what was recovered. The failing partition has not been > > > > > > > deleted. It cannot be read or mounted, so I have just left it > > > > > > > like that, so that I can try to save it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every attempt to recover the data gives the same result: 2 > > > > > > > errors, 3072 B, that cannot be read. I tried using tools to look > > > > > > > inside the saved iso image, but no luck there. I don't want to > > > > > > > erase or format the failing disk partition until I am sure that I > > > > > > > have recovered the data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My last hope is that I have another 1.5 TB hard drive; I could > > > > > > > try > > > > to > > > > > > > > > write the disk images to that partition before I format the old > > > > > > > drive. But first, of course, I would need to backup materials > > > > > > > from that drive, and now I am running out of space again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. And if things were not bad enough, the skies here in San > > > > > > > Francisco are a muddy mixture of orange, black, brown and gray. > > > > > > > At noon today, it looked like the middle of the night. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > > > > > Web mail archive available at > > > > > > > > https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinityd > > > >es > > > > > > > > > > >kt op.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > There's another option but a wee bit expensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Purchase the same model SG drive (or whatever model etc) that > > > > > > failed and swap out the electronics. > > > > > > > > > > > > Assuming there's no mechanical damage, it will work. > > > > > > It's often why I buy drives in pairs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this was helpful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > > > > > It is an internal hard drive, not external. Is that what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > I understand. I mean swap out the IDE boards on the drives. > > > > Make sure to mark the bad one so you don't try to reuse it. > > > > > > > > I've done that only a few times but it works. They must be the same > > > > model. > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > I do have another 1.5 TB hard drive (though I would need to backup its > > > data first); however, it is WD, not Seagate, and I would not willingly > > > buy > > > > another > > > > > Seagate hard drive. > > > > > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > You can't mix boards. They must be the same make and model. > > Perhaps you can buy just the board? Or a used working one? > > > > I've used both SG and WD and have had far more failures with WD. > > I guess it depends on the models and how they are used? > > I currently have nearly all SG drives in the "big machine" the server. > > 12 drives in total with no failures over the last 10 years. > > > > Kate > > > > I always knew that, if Seagate somehow stays in business, then they must have > some customers somewhere. You must be the one. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ 10 years, 12 drives, on a highly active file server / Codec station. No failures, no data loss. Can you argue with that? You do you, I was just trying to help. 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data recovery - recommendations & strategies
by William Morder 10 Sep '20

10 Sep '20

Hello again! I told you that you'd miss me when I'm gone. :-] Please, I need recommendations or strategies for recovering data. I had a flash drive become unreadable, after I plugged it into my new printer to print out some documents that had been long in waiting. Then, before I could save myself, I had a 1.5 TB hard drive also fail. On this hard drive is (of course) the source of those backup copies on the flash drive. This is the partition which I was just about to backup. I have several hard drives, from 200 GB up to 8 TB, from 20 years old to brand-new; all are WD, except for one which is Seagate. Guess which one failed? I forget when I got it, or why I ever would have got anything but WD, or why I would have put anything important there. I have used ddrescue to try to recover the data, as well as other forensics tools. Recovered images (img and iso) are saved, and taking up space, but I cannot determine if there is any useful content in what was recovered. The failing partition has not been deleted. It cannot be read or mounted, so I have just left it like that, so that I can try to save it. Every attempt to recover the data gives the same result: 2 errors, 3072 B, that cannot be read. I tried using tools to look inside the saved iso image, but no luck there. I don't want to erase or format the failing disk partition until I am sure that I have recovered the data. My last hope is that I have another 1.5 TB hard drive; I could try to write the disk images to that partition before I format the old drive. But first, of course, I would need to backup materials from that drive, and now I am running out of space again. Bill P.S. And if things were not bad enough, the skies here in San Francisco are a muddy mixture of orange, black, brown and gray. At noon today, it looked like the middle of the night.

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Re: TDE mediamanager - missing in root Konqueror ?
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 09 Sep '20

09 Sep '20

> --Zd8EW8UXlbbw5PGzZDvp2pLNzy6T8gInP > Content-Type: text/plain; charsetutf-8 > Content-Language: en-US > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > See if you have the following installed. > > trinity-tdebase-tdeio-plugins > > check for all "tdeio" stuff. > > I've also noticed trinity-tdeio-umountwrapper always gives me problems, so I > > remover it. Just in case you get some odd things trying to umount stuff. > > > > Hi Kate, > what problem do you have with trinity-tdeio-umountwrapper? Just wondering. > > Cheers > Michele > > Hi Michele I think it wouldn't let me umount items from storage media applet. I'll reinstall it later on and see if you want. Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Wicd and the Kernel
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 08 Sep '20

08 Sep '20

Hi humans, AIs and others. I would like everyone who has had problems with wicd to try the following. Boot to kernel 4.19.124. See if it works. If it doesn't, copy the content of wicd-1.7.4-6 to root (as root). Don't just reinstall. Then try again. Let me know what happens. Those who fail to comply, well, I have dolls... Kate The Great (and terrible). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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apologies for the mess!
by William Morder 08 Sep '20

08 Sep '20

I have received word from on high that I, too, was doing it wrong. My apologies for the 293 comments (and probably more, still counting) generated by my mistake. It seems that when we hit reply, then change the header, we are causing confusion in the mailing list. And for those who use threaded messages, it causes multiple threads, or something like that. It seems that there might have been a chain of these events, as I noticed email addresses for both Gene and Nik in the headers. But anyway, I didn't mean to spam the list; weird technical glitches on this side, sent emails were getting rejected for "unknown transport" (which turns out to be, my identity, or one of them). I've been doing it the same for a few years, since I've had this email address. Why now? When I "corrected" my "transport" to my real name, everything worked, but suddenly all those rejected emails sitting in my outbox also got sent, too. My intention was not to make a mess of things, but there it is. I make the mistakes, so you don't have to; I create confusion, so you can see the results of not following good protocol. So the short version is: only hit reply if you intend to keep the topic within the thread. If we go off-topic, then we ought to create a brand-new email, not just hit replay; otherwise, we drag email addresses and related threads upon threads in, and we end up with 293 comments (I hear, but haven't seen them myself). Again, apologies to everybody! And I hope that I've set up this one correctly. Bill jabber/xmpp dr_mojo_contendo(a)hot-chilli.net

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