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Re: gmail and pop
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 05 Sep '20

05 Sep '20

> On Tuesday 01 September 2020 14:26:16 ajh-valmer wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have aslo a Gmail account > > > > My Gmail account password works on the webmail site, > > > > But not with Kmail (TDE) (password not recognised). > > > > Everything is allright : mail, pop.gmail.com, port (995), password... > > > > Why ? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andr=C3=A9 Valmer > > > > I receive gmail using pop.gmail.com, port 995, etc. I do not send through=20 > gmail, although I have it configured for smtp port 587. I usually send=20 > through my zoho.com account, as I have found that they are a lot less hassl= > e=20 > than messing round with Google crap. However, we cannot escape Google=20 > entirely, and I still use it to receive certain emails, mostly for business= > =2E=20 > > Did you try "check what the server supports" in the configuration settings?= > I=20 > notice that Gmail doesn't like Kmail using encryption. SSL (no TLS), but=20 > clear text for authentication?!?!=20 > > That bothers me, although at least I can use Gmail to receive, which is bet= > ter=20 > than not being able to use it at all.=20 > > Bill > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- I've had no problems using imap and pop3 gmail with kmail. I just figured out their nonesense. Here are my settings, hopefully it will help Incoming: Host = pop.gmai.com Port = 995 Encryption = SSL Auth Meth = clear text Outgoing: Host = smtp.gmail.com Port = 465 Fill in Server requires authentication Encryption = SSL Auth Meth = plain Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: confirm 1a982f5ffcd2d51c2993f306abcf4832c0020dcc
by Stefan Krusche 05 Sep '20

05 Sep '20

Am Freitag, 4. September 2020 schrieb users-confirm+1a982f5ffcd2d51c2993f306abcf4832c0020dcc(a)trinitydesktop.org: > Email Address Registration Confirmation > > Hello, this is the GNU Mailman server at trinitydesktop.org. > > We have received a registration request for the email address > > linux(a)stefan-krusche.de > > Before you can start using GNU Mailman at this site, you must first > confirm that this is your email address. You can do this by replying > to this message, keeping the Subject header intact. > > If you do not wish to register this email address, simply disregard > this message. If you think you are being maliciously subscribed to > the list, or have any other questions, you may contact > > users-owner(a)trinitydesktop.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Touch screen suddenly stopped working
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 05 Sep '20

05 Sep '20

Ok so, see subject. I'm guessing there might be a hotkey control but I haven't been able to find anything on the web about it. Just the one to shut off the touchpad. Maybe someone else might have better luck searching for a clue. It was working, and very well I might add but it stopped. I did reboot so I'm going to check the startups see if anything of interest shows up there. Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Why is Michael such an enthusiastic about MX?
by Michael 04 Sep '20

04 Sep '20

tl:dr MX works extremely well, is able to ‘one click’ install TDE, and saves me an incredible amount of time. [1] William Morder asked: > > By the way, Michael, I believe that AntiX is based on MX Linux. I forget > the exact relationship, but that's how I discovered the MX repositories. > > Since you are so enthusiastic about MX Linux with TDE, I wondered if you > knew anything about AntiX, or were more up-to-date on its status, or had an > opinion about it Long story very short… (and probably not entirely accurate) antiX [2] and MEPIS basically combined? to create MX. I don’t know if MEPIS is still around, obviously antiX is ;) - antiX is a very lightweight distribution (works well on very old hardware) - MX is a middleweight (it also has an advanced hardware kernel option) - - {Kate? Maybe try the MX ahs kernel for that touchscreen?} Dolphin Oracle is the lead dev for both distributions. There are ~20+ devs for MX (they all may be active on antiX, but I don’t know that), and based on their forum activity I’m somewhat guessing that many of the MX devs are basically ‘full time’ employed by MX. Truthfully I’d love for TDE to be rolled into the MX group, it seems like such a win-win for both organizations. Why am I such an enthusiastic about MX? - With one click (MX Package Installer): - - Full LAMP stack is installed - - Install LibreOffice, Opera, Wine, VirtualBox, 6 other DEs, 2 Windows Managers, 2 Docks, Skype, Zoom, Kodi, Plex, Handbrake, Spotify, Play on Linux, Steam, 6 other Kernels, 5+ VPNs, 3 Screencasts, … [5] - NVIDIA proprietary drivers works ‘out of the box’ - MX also saved me 50 to 200 hours of customization rebuild over six months by having a ‘preserve /home’ option that works with existing disk encryption. [3] - Their MX Package Installer is completely customizable - - Which allowed me to create an auto-installer for TDE [4] - The MX Tools set is stellar and actually works... - Doesn’t use systemd - The MX forum answers your questions (accurately! and usually the same day) I’ll stop here, put the pom-poms down, and close with: If you want a distribution that runs TDE to ‘just work,’ go with MX. Best, Michael [1] https://mxlinux.org/ [2] https://antixlinux.com/ [3] https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=92&t=59308&p=587358#p588697 [4] https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installation_In… [5] There are 380 *.pm files in their packageinstaller-pkglist directory, best guess is that translates to 380 unique applications that they have already customized the install process of so the end user gets a full ‘working’ application.

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Which of the Trinity Live disks would be best to install for a new ex-windoze user?
by J Leslie Turriff 04 Sep '20

04 Sep '20

My brother, a long-time windoze user, suggested to me last night that he might give Linux a try. Looking at the Trinity website, I see a plethora of Live Disk images for various distros available; but which one is most likely to give him a stable and versatile experience? He is already somewhat skeptical, having seen my occasional struggles with multimedia issues on my OpenSuSE machine*. (This opportunity will also give me some exposure to Debian-based distros, a probable plus.) Leslie * (OpenSuSE does not seem to think that multimedia is important, and its support is somewhat sketchy compared with home-computer oriented distros). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Who says voodoo doesn't work!
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 04 Sep '20

04 Sep '20

Ok so... I was hitting me little Alistair Izzard voodoo doll with a 4.5k, deadblow, sledgehammer, as one does. Suddenly the touchscreen on the flex 4 started working. Voodoo and a sturdy DB sledgehammer always seems to do the trick. I'm going to make a orangeman doll now. ;) Thanks Ali, I think it was some of the recent updates to wacom stuff that did it. Well, let's say it was (I know it was the doll and hammer). Kate The Great and Terrible. PS, though it was "native" to win10 the touchscreen never worked with it. I was able to get it to work with several linux distros but they seemed to have update or beta wacom stuff. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: Touch screen suddenly stopped working
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 04 Sep '20

04 Sep '20

> On Friday 04 September 2020 01:35:47 pm BorgLabs - Kate Draven via tde-users > wrote: > > On Friday 04 September 2020, Michael wrote: > > > On Friday 04 September 2020 06:23:55 am BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > > Ok so, see subject. > > > > Aye tried it all. > > > > It worked just the one time and never again. I don't get it. > > Hey Kate, > > Does it have a USB port? If so, give the MX Live USB a try? > > I think there is a way to, with persistance, change the MX USB to their ahs > (advanced hardware support) kernel, but you'd need to dig that up. > > # # # > > It's those MIB, they came and tweaked it just to baffle you ?! :) > > Best, > Michael > > _______________________________________________ It's fine without the touchscreen. Everything else works and works great. BUTT I'll give the live usbs a try see if I can spot anything. Thanks, Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: how to get tdenetworkmanager - with no wicd ?
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 03 Sep '20

03 Sep '20

> While I have Internet, of a sort, I still have a few glitches; for example, I > cannot go offline, then go online again. Somehow, wicd either auto-connects > to my wifi network; when instead, I want to enable wifi, then look at the > available network choices, because my local network has several nodes or > access points within the building where I live, and somehow it doesn't always > choose the strongest or closest signal. I have an access point right outside > my door, yet autoconnect seems to avoid it. Reply: if you are using some kind of communal wifi. Don't allow auto connect. Bad human. Instead always choose it manually. Go go prefs and untick any auto connect options. Be safe. > But when I try to disconnect, sometimes wicd seems to hang on, and show me > still connected, yet I can't download emails or go online for other stuff. > When I run macchanger, it keeps showing me that my mac address changes; and I > run knetstats-trinity (which is a nice simple gui tool) and it shows my > wireless is connected then disconnected, shows activity then no activity; yet > in reality, I can't go online. So my only recourse at this point is to > reboot. When that happens. Restart wicd and wicd-tray. However, before that, do this. "service network restart" from a root terminal. See if that helps. > When I tried to get tdenetworkmanager to run, I had those problems already > discussed earlier. I managed to download the packages and dependencies to > install network-manager-tde without systemd, so it all *seems* like it ought > to work out right, but I always end up going back to wicd; which, again, is > only sort of half-working at the moment, and I must keep rebooting. > > How would I go about pruning away the wicd stuff that I don't want, and > keeping only the tdenetworkmanager and required dependencies, etc.? I've > search apt-get, but I believe that I already have all the dependencies and > recommends. I can't think what else I might have missed. > You don't need to remove wicd for the moment, just disable it. /etc/xdg/autostart is likely where you will find it. or use whatever startup control tool you have to do the same. tdenetworkmanager never seemed to work for me unless I ran it as root. Same with net-applet. Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: [users] gmail and pop - with P.S. - WAY off topic
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 03 Sep '20

03 Sep '20

> On 2020-09-03 09:39:01 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > On Thursday 03 September 2020 07:26:29 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > On Thursday 03 September 2020 07:14:17 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > > > I sent this email earlier, but since I didn't receive my usual > > > > > > > copy sent to myself, it seemed that it never made it to the > > > > > > > outside > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > And then there was a mildy amusing incident, and a few hours of > > > > > > > creeping panic, but I don't want to spoil the story, so I save it > > > > for > > > > > > > > > its proper place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 02 September 2020 13:35:32 Janek Stolarek wrote: > > > > > > > > Three things: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Like others have already said, you need to enable access by > > > > > > > > unsafe apps in Gmail account settings. See [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. In KMail POP3 settings you might need to prefix you POP3 > > > > > > > > username with "recent:" (without quotes but with colon), so for > > > > > > > > example in > > > > > > > > KMail > > > > > > > > > > settings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my username is entered as "recent:jwstolarek@gmail.com" (again, > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > quotes). This enables checking email by multiple mail clients > > > > > > > > (in case you have several machines). See [2]. Moreover, for me > > > > > > > > without the "recent:" prefix, instead of having access to > > > > > > > > newest emails as they come in, I would only see email in a > > > > > > > > batch every few hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is what I originally wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whoa! That is one cool trick! It might be general knowledge for > > > > some, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > news to me, and I never found anything like that among > > > > > > > suggestions > > > > in > > > > > > > > Gmail's > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages, nor on other sites who offer advice on how to for Gmail. > > > > > > > (Doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > on Zoho mail, however; just thought I'd give it a try.) At least > > > > > > > I managed > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear all the old emails off the server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Contrary to what other said, I rarely have problems caused > > > > > > > > by logining in from different locations. I regularly use VPN so > > > > > > > > sometimes I'll be checking my email from Switzerland and 5 > > > > > > > > minutes later I'm checking it > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Canada. I have no problems in overwhelming majority of cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I was beginning to feel like some kind of shiftless [or > > > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > shifty?]* > > > > > > > > > > > > > pariah, banned from Google periodically, because I have moved > > > > > > > from > > > > my > > > > > > > > > home > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the library, 15 minutes' walk from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Janek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en > > > > > > > > [2] https://support.google.com/a/answer/6089246?hl=en > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the tip! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. After I implemented this change in my Gmail accounts [see > > > > > > > above], suddenly my wifi was disabled. I spent a few hours last > > > > > > > night, then > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > this morning, trying in vain to get it back. Then it seemed that > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > eth0, > > > > > > > > > > > as well, wasn't recognized! How can that be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I even started the process of reinstalling my Devuan Beowulf (a > > > > pain, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > much quicker now than it was when running Jessie); during setup > > > > > > > nothing in > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > network was recognized! Hardware failure?!?! Then I tried some > > > > rescue > > > > > > > > > discs and other such tools; again, nothing happening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only thing I had done was to change that line in Gmail, then > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > email. Could Google really be such a Big Brother gangsta that > > > > > > > they would deliberately destroy my wireless and ethernet > > > > > > > connections? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those jive %@! >?$#~!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At last I check my wifi antenna. (I know, it's weird to use a > > > > > > > wifi antenna > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > a desktop computer, but I built this system out of parts.) As it > > > > > > > turns out, somehow the USB got unplugged from the antenna itself, > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > odd, > > > > > > > > > > > because I actually have it clamped in place, to make sure that > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > happen. I can only imagine that I must have stepped on a wire > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > moving > > > > > > > > > > > round the stand that holds my printer; maybe just enough pressure > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > pull > > > > > > > > > > > it loose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, so the moral of this story is, never let your paranoia > > > > > > > decide the > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > of bad experiences, when your own clumsiness or stupidity can > > > > explain > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > P.P.S. *It occurs to me that whether one is "shiftless" > > > > [unmotivated, > > > > > > > > > lazy] or "shifty" [nervous, acting guilty, moving round too much, > > > > > > > no fixed abode, etc.], both are bad. So is it better to be shifty > > > > > > > or shiftless, or should > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > avoid this word altogether? > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > You clearly missed the obvious conclusion and, likely, the correct > > > > > > answer. Science, dear boy, science. > > > > > > Gnomes, trolls and germlins. Clearly you have an infestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > > > > > No, that seems unlikely, as I always leave out food and drink for the > > > > > > > > blessed > > > > > > > > > folk, and we have always had a very reciprocal relationship. > > > > > > > > > > I prefer to believe that the Men in Black are after me. That seems a > > > > more > > > > > > > plausible explanation. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > True. Sound and sane reasoning. > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > It could be, however, that I have somehow offended themselves through my > > > own ignorance, or because they are known to be whimsical, and even > > > playfully cruel. Or perhaps I did not notice the beckoning glance of some > > > princess of the Sidhe, and the lady (forgetting that I could not actually > > > see her) was offended. > > > > > > This, too, could explain what happened. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > True. Far more likely than you pulled the wire off unaware. > > One must adhere to reality. > > > > 0_o > > > > :) > > > > Kate > > These days, one person's reality is another's fantasy, and vice versa. :-) > > Leslie > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: gmail and pop - with P.S. - WAY off topic
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 03 Sep '20

03 Sep '20

> On Thursday 03 September 2020 07:26:29 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > On Thursday 03 September 2020 07:14:17 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > I sent this email earlier, but since I didn't receive my usual copy > > > > > sent to myself, it seemed that it never made it to the outside world. > > > > > > > > > > And then there was a mildy amusing incident, and a few hours of > > > > > creeping panic, but I don't want to spoil the story, so I save it for > > > > > its proper place. > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 02 September 2020 13:35:32 Janek Stolarek wrote: > > > > > > Three things: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Like others have already said, you need to enable access by > > > > > > unsafe apps in Gmail account settings. See [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. In KMail POP3 settings you might need to prefix you POP3 > > > > > > username with "recent:" (without quotes but with colon), so for > > > > > > example in > > > > KMail > > > > > > settings > > > > > > > > > > my username is entered as "recent:jwstolarek@gmail.com" (again, > > > > without > > > > > > > > quotes). This enables checking email by multiple mail clients (in > > > > > > case you have several machines). See [2]. Moreover, for me without > > > > > > the "recent:" prefix, instead of having access to newest emails as > > > > > > they come in, I would only see email in a batch every few hours. > > > > > > > > > > Here is what I originally wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Whoa! That is one cool trick! It might be general knowledge for some, > > > > but > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > news to me, and I never found anything like that among suggestions in > > > > > > > > Gmail's > > > > > > > > > pages, nor on other sites who offer advice on how to for Gmail. > > > > > (Doesn't > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > on Zoho mail, however; just thought I'd give it a try.) At least I > > > > > managed > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > clear all the old emails off the server. > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Contrary to what other said, I rarely have problems caused by > > > > > > logining in from different locations. I regularly use VPN so > > > > > > sometimes I'll be checking my email from Switzerland and 5 minutes > > > > > > later I'm checking it > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > Canada. I have no problems in overwhelming majority of cases. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I was beginning to feel like some kind of shiftless [or maybe > > > > > > > > shifty?]* > > > > > > > > > pariah, banned from Google periodically, because I have moved from my > > > > > home > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the library, 15 minutes' walk from here. > > > > > > > > > > > Janek > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en > > > > > > [2] https://support.google.com/a/answer/6089246?hl=en > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the tip! > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > P.S. After I implemented this change in my Gmail accounts [see > > > > > above], suddenly my wifi was disabled. I spent a few hours last > > > > > night, then > > > > again > > > > > > > this morning, trying in vain to get it back. Then it seemed that my > > > > eth0, > > > > > > > as well, wasn't recognized! How can that be? > > > > > > > > > > I even started the process of reinstalling my Devuan Beowulf (a pain, > > > > but > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > much quicker now than it was when running Jessie); during setup > > > > > nothing in > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > network was recognized! Hardware failure?!?! Then I tried some rescue > > > > > discs and other such tools; again, nothing happening. > > > > > > > > > > The only thing I had done was to change that line in Gmail, then to > > > > check > > > > > > > email. Could Google really be such a Big Brother gangsta that they > > > > > would deliberately destroy my wireless and ethernet connections? > > > > > > > > > > Those jive %@! >?$#~!!!! > > > > > > > > > > At last I check my wifi antenna. (I know, it's weird to use a wifi > > > > > antenna > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > a desktop computer, but I built this system out of parts.) As it > > > > > turns out, somehow the USB got unplugged from the antenna itself, > > > > > which is > > > > odd, > > > > > > > because I actually have it clamped in place, to make sure that cannot > > > > > happen. I can only imagine that I must have stepped on a wire when > > > > moving > > > > > > > round the stand that holds my printer; maybe just enough pressure to > > > > pull > > > > > > > it loose. > > > > > > > > > > Well, so the moral of this story is, never let your paranoia decide > > > > > the > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > of bad experiences, when your own clumsiness or stupidity can explain > > > > it. > > > > > > > P.P.S. *It occurs to me that whether one is "shiftless" [unmotivated, > > > > > lazy] or "shifty" [nervous, acting guilty, moving round too much, no > > > > > fixed abode, etc.], both are bad. So is it better to be shifty or > > > > > shiftless, or should > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > avoid this word altogether? > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > You clearly missed the obvious conclusion and, likely, the correct > > > > answer. Science, dear boy, science. > > > > Gnomes, trolls and germlins. Clearly you have an infestation. > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > No, that seems unlikely, as I always leave out food and drink for the > > > > blessed > > > > > folk, and we have always had a very reciprocal relationship. > > > > > > I prefer to believe that the Men in Black are after me. That seems a more > > > plausible explanation. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > True. Sound and sane reasoning. > > > > Kate > > > > It could be, however, that I have somehow offended themselves through my own > ignorance, or because they are known to be whimsical, and even playfully > cruel. Or perhaps I did not notice the beckoning glance of some princess of > the Sidhe, and the lady (forgetting that I could not actually see her) was > offended. > > This, too, could explain what happened. > > Bill > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- True. Far more likely than you pulled the wire off unaware. One must adhere to reality. 0_o :) Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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