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Re: [trinity-users] Switch to trinity
by Thierry de Coulon 05 Feb '19

05 Feb '19

On Sunday 03 February 2019 19.21:34 phiebie(a)drei.at wrote: > Debian Buster, KDE 3.5.10. aptitude > As more and more software-updates clash with their dependencies against > what KDE needs or provides, I wanted to install trinity, preliminary > stable, alongside KDE. KDE should stay operational till I had > transferred my settings and programs aso to trinity. > No go! > Tdebase was fetched and seemingly installed, but when I restarted the > computer and wanted to start KDE, there was only a black screen with > the mouse-cursor and whatever I did with keyboard or mouse, nothing > happened. Cold reboot to clear memory, same thing. > Okay, let's then have a look at trinity. A blue screen with the logo > appeared and after a few seconds something like "no ..... available > check your installation"and I only could close that window via a warm > reboot. KDE gave me the black screen again and also TDE said > "check installation". > Installed TDE again, same results as before. Half an afternoon had > passed with no desktop still available. > Glad, that I had backupped my system before the experiment and could > restore my working KDE. > So there's also a clash between TDE and KDE, incredible! > Where should I look for the culprit for this disaster? > Kind regards. OK, so... a) You say Buster. Where did you install TDE from? What version? As far as I know, for Buster you need the premilinary builds. b) You say KDE 3.5.10. I seem to remember that install instructions said to purge any KDE 3.5 elements befor install. So yes, KDE 3.5 and TDE clash. It's known. I guess that's because thes share files with the same name, but different contents. If you want Trinity, you should better install on a system with no KDE, and running a testing TDE on a testing Debian, I'm not really surprised you encounter some problems. These are caused by your environment, not by Trinity itself. Thierry

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[trinity-users] want TDM screenshot
by Felix Miata 05 Feb '19

05 Feb '19

https://www.maketecheasier.com/take-screenshot-of-login-screen-linux/ is the closest I have found to instructions to use ImageMagick to get one, but tdm seems to be different from lightdm and gdm such that I can't figure out what to change. I tried logging in and grepping XAUTHORITY from set, but it apparently cannot be found there. I want a fullscreen screenshot that has the integrated default theme's menu expanded to show the selection of session types. Can anyone here help? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

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Devuan Full Disk Encryption (FDE) shutdown issue
by Michael 04 Feb '19

04 Feb '19

Moving this to a separate thread as it’s nor really related to switching to TDE. On Sunday 03 February 2019 08:34:24 pm William Morder wrote: > When you say "root shutdown unclean": How do you shutdown, and what are you > seeing? On Monday 04 February 2019 07:53:46 am Stefan Krusche wrote: > Can you point to a reference for this bug? While I did mention the issue on the Devuan user mailing list, I do not know if there is a bug report for it. It may be the issue Stefan references, but, if so MX Linux has patched/solved the issue on their own as I do not see it with MX Linux. To maintain due diligence for client NDAs I must use encryption, or some other method, to safeguard their data. As such, I no longer have Devuan installed. Bill (I think it was Bill, sorry if I’m mis-quoting) is entirely right though, I have never seen any of the lags or hangs with Devuan or MX Linux that the systemd versions of Debian are fairly well know for. # # # Here are my remembrances from a month or so ago. Obviously these are not the exact message phrases. Observations: - Install Devuan selecting automatically use full disk and encrypt [everything]. [1] - In the Software Selection only select: - - Console productivity - - Standard system utilities - - (e.g. Un-check everything else) - Install TDE - Boot normally [1] >> > I have a setup with the root partition in a logical Volume of LVM on top of > LUKS (whole disk but /boot) Yes, that’s what I had as well. /home was included in the root partition. Swap was a separate encrypted partition in the LVM. << [1] Best guess: Since so little is installed, you don’t have the usual startup/shutdown splash screens that usually ‘hide’ any of the startup/shutdown scrolling messages. Try hitting ‘Escape’ if you have splash screens hiding the messages? - Turn off the computer by using - - TDE menu >> Log out >> Turn off During shutdown you will see messages somewhat similar to what Stefan shows, but they are closer to this and explicitly say “[FAIL]” in red: “Unmounting {root partition name} [FAIL] ... [FAIL][FAIL][FAIL][FAIL][FAIL]” It hangs for several seconds (15?) on the first [FAIL] and then re-tries enough times to wrap the line. - I shutdown approximately 13 times after noticing the first [FAIL] message where I explicitly watched the shutdown messages. - Of the boot up sequences I explicitly watched (10+) there were 3 instances of fsck(?*) finding and fixing errors on the root partition. * The messages go fast, I’m fairly sure is was fsck, but it could have been anything really, my knowledge of the actual boot process is pretty weak. # # # That’s as best as my memory gives me. If you install Devuan with Full Disk Encryption (FDE), it’s really easy to spot, just watch a shutdown. Okay, I’ve got to get back to work :( If there’s more Q’s, ask, but it’ll be a few days or next weekend before I get to them. Best, Michael

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Switch to trinity
by phiebie＠drei.at 03 Feb '19

03 Feb '19

Debian Buster, KDE 3.5.10. aptitude As more and more software-updates clash with their dependencies against what KDE needs or provides, I wanted to install trinity, preliminary stable, alongside KDE. KDE should stay operational till I had transferred my settings and programs aso to trinity. No go! Tdebase was fetched and seemingly installed, but when I restarted the computer and wanted to start KDE, there was only a black screen with the mouse-cursor and whatever I did with keyboard or mouse, nothing happened. Cold reboot to clear memory, same thing. Okay, let's then have a look at trinity. A blue screen with the logo appeared and after a few seconds something like "no ..... available check your installation"and I only could close that window via a warm reboot. KDE gave me the black screen again and also TDE said "check installation". Installed TDE again, same results as before. Half an afternoon had passed with no desktop still available. Glad, that I had backupped my system before the experiment and could restore my working KDE. So there's also a clash between TDE and KDE, incredible! Where should I look for the culprit for this disaster? Kind regards.

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Update mesage
by Baron 01 Feb '19

01 Feb '19

Hi Guys, When I get an update, I also get a message "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" But the packages never get removed ! Should they be automatically removed or is there something that I should do ? Thanks in advance. -- Best Regards: Baron

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: [users] Re: [users] WYSIWYG HTML editor that outputs clean HTML code?
by Kate Draven 30 Jan '19

30 Jan '19

> On 2019-01-30 11:37:32 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Anno domini 2019 Wed, 30 Jan 10:27:58 -0600 > > > > J Leslie Turriff scripsit: > > > On 2019-01-24 01:23:39 Felix Miata wrote: > > > > Kate Draven composed on 2019-01-24 02:08 (UTC-0500): > > > > > Aye, it seems opensuse doesn't have it. pclos has it. > > > > > I don't know if it's useful to you. > > > > > Also, you can try installing Seamonkey,which has the same web editor > > > > > as part of the suite. Assuming opensuse has it as a package. > > > > > > > > I use openSUSE and SeaMonkey, but I wouldn't expect "clean" HTML code > > > > from it, or any other WYSIWYG editor. All my HTML editing is done with > > > > plain text editors. > > > > > > I agree. The problem is with the WYSIWYG concept itself; the code > > > generator doesn't have any intelligence, either syntactic or semantic, so > > > when one is creating or maintaining a web page with such a package, it > > > can't normalize the markup, it just keeps inserting More markup to make > > > the final page look right. > > > It's possibly worthwhile to use such a tool when all one needs is a very > > > simple webpage, but then, it's just as easy to write the markup directly > > > with a text editor. > > > > > > Leslie > > > > Have you ever looked at "zim", the desktop wiki? Besides note taking etc. > > (what I use it for on a daily base) it can be used to generate static html > > sites. No extra stuff added, just the templates you defined. The zim > > homepage was created with that, too: http://zim-wiki.org/ > > > > Nik > > That sounds useful; I will take a look. Thank you. > > Leslie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- I checked out Zim. I like it so far. I need to play with it a little more. It seems promising. Thank you, it's greatly appreciated. Kate

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: [users] Re: [users] WYSIWYG HTML editor that outputs clean HTML code?
by Kate Draven 30 Jan '19

30 Jan '19

> On 2019-01-23 23:26:34 J Leslie Turriff wrote: > > On 2019-01-23 20:31:02 Kate Draven wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > Completely off topic, and I understand that this is like asking who has > > > > the= =20 > > > > Holy Grail... > > > > > > > > Anyone have good experience with a WYSIWYG HTML editor that outputs > > > > plain,= =20 > > > > clean HTML code? > > > > > > > > Anything close to say LibreOffice Writer or MS Word that > > > > exports/outputs=20 regular HTML and not a thousand lines of trash to > > > > say =E2=80=9CHello World?= =E2=80=9D > > > > > > > > While I=E2=80=99m wishing on a star, if it also has a spell-checker and > > > > a t= able of=20 > > > > contents creator based on H tags nirvana might just be found! > > > > > > > > Best, Thanks, > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Hi Michael > > > > > > Kompozer > > > If you are well versed with HTML > > > Kedit > > > Kwrite > > > for code clean up. > > > > > > Then I use konqueror to ftp upload to the site. Split view left/right > > > (left is local - right is remote - memory trick) drag and drop. Kompozer > > > can do it too but kong give me more control err, I mean kontrol. > > > > > > Kate > > > > Thanks for pointing out KompoZe; I wasn't familiar with this package. > > > Unfortunately, KompoZe seems to be moribund (Last Update 2016 according to > SourceForge, and its website no longer exists). I tried to install it on my > OpenSuSE system and it starts, then crashes after a second or so with a core > dump. There seems to be no documentation beyond the man file. > > Leslie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Aye, it seems opensuse doesn't have it. pclos has it. I don't know if it's useful to you. Also, you can try installing Seamonkey,which has the same web editor as part of the suite. Assuming opensuse has it as a package. Kate

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KPDF Print wants to convert my document to...what?
by J Leslie Turriff 30 Jan '19

30 Jan '19

I don't often print PDF documents, but recently when I have tried to do so I have been stymied when KPDF told me that my document needs conversion. It also says something about using a non-CUPS print server, which is not my case. I have attached screen shots of the relevant message dialogs that KPDF produces. When I click through these, most of the time KPDF just disappears, but sometimes I see the third dialog first. I can find no information on what it's really wanting or trying to do, so I have no clue as to which MIME type to choose. My understanding is that somewhat recently, Linux has switched from printing PDFs directly to converting them to PostScript; perhaps that has something to do with this? What is the proper way to navigate these dialogs? Leslie

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tdekbdledsync
by Russell Brown 28 Jan '19

28 Jan '19

Hmmm.... tdekbdledsync is trying to control the wrong keyboard LEDs for remote displays. We have a number of remote users (XDMCP/tdm) and each one has a tdekbdledsync process running with /dev/tty0 and /dev/input/eventX open on the server (the machine hosting tdm) and not the remote workstation. This is obviously wrong. Ideally, tdekbdledsync should be smarter and not try to control the keyboard LEDs on remote displays but as it isn't, can I globally disable tdekdbledsync? (we don't run X on the main server console). I looked at the tdm source and in kgapp.cpp I see: if (trinity_desktop_synchronize_keyboard_lights) { kbdl = new TDEProcess; *kbdl << TQCString( argv0, strrchr( argv0, '/' ) - argv0 + 2 ) + "tdekbdledsync"; kbdl->start(); } but I can't find what sets "trinity_desktop_synchronize_keyboard_lights". Any pointers? -- Regards, Russell -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Russell Brown | MAIL: russell(a)lls.com PHONE: 01780 471800 | | Lady Lodge Systems | WWW Work: http://www.lls.com | | Peterborough, England | WWW Play: http://www.ruffle.me.uk | --------------------------------------------------------------------

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WYSIWYG HTML editor that outputs clean HTML code?
by Michael 27 Jan '19

27 Jan '19

Hi All, Completely off topic, and I understand that this is like asking who has the Holy Grail... Anyone have good experience with a WYSIWYG HTML editor that outputs plain, clean HTML code? Anything close to say LibreOffice Writer or MS Word that exports/outputs regular HTML and not a thousand lines of trash to say “Hello World?” While I’m wishing on a star, if it also has a spell-checker and a table of contents creator based on H tags nirvana might just be found! Best, Thanks, Michael

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